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stunnedbygrace

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That's the "much love" hypocrisy. He won't attack personally...just puts a "like" on whoever is slandering and doing the ugliness. Then when confronted he calls that "ugliness."
Yes. This is the narcissism I’ve been looking into for a few years and I also recommend Zadai‘s video titled “manipulation and control.” When I came across that video over the summer, that’s when I knew I was right about what I saw everywhere was when another person had seen it as well. It wasn’t just me.
It’s the useless way of life we were taught by our parents. it’s practiced in varying degrees but it’s worldwide. It’s all humans.
 
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Yes. This is the narcissism I’ve been looking into for a few years and I also recommend Zadai‘s video titled “manipulation and control.” When I came across that video over the summer, that’s when I knew I was right about what I saw everywhere was when another person had seen it as well. It wasn’t just me.
It’s the useless way of life we were taught by our parents. it’s practiced in varying degrees but it’s worldwide. It’s all humans.
Well it's ugliness....
 
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How about you show how many ways there are to heaven? Since you claim their are many..

And I am stil waiting for you to show anyone who said THEY WERE as righteous as God.
I posted 2 posts just a few minutes ago...and one of them you liked...so you are caught red-handed. Do you lie? Or just have a bad memory...as I've said before.

Go to Posts # 1224 and #1336 in my thread called "What does it mean to be born again? Pages 62 and 67

I think you just like it when I am attacked for trying to convey truth to the unwilling.
 
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He did not say he WAS as righteous as God.

He said we are RECKONED or DEEMED (seen as) being as righteous of God. Because we have Gods rightiousness imputed to us like abraham did.

You need to learn how to discern words. And not just pull out what you want to see.
Thus the word "impute" is used for reckon or count. All the children of God have the righteousness of Christ imputed to them. This is the spiritual "fine linen, clean and white" without which no one can enter Heaven.
The above is his post, not epis post. Imputed, reckoned or counted - he says Christs righteousness is put onto us and is the linen of the saints. It’s a presto chango lame-o hocus pocus car salesman deal to cheat death.
 
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Well it's ugliness....
Trust me, I know. My family is on the extreme high end of that scale. It’s probably how I was able to see it so clearly. Hidden to cya but in the open once you figure the game out.
Phychologists and psychiatrists say it’s determined by the time one is 4 years old. They say some wound was received in childhood and the person is emotionally stalled at whatever age it happened. They also say very, very few make their way out of it because self examination would be necessary but they can’t do that or the false person they are would crumble.
 
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Trust me, I know. My family is on the extreme high end of that scale. It’s probably how I was able to see it so clearly. Hidden to cya but in the open once you figure the game out.
Phychologists and psychiatrists say it’s determined by the time one is 4 years old. They say some wound was received in childhood and the person is emotionally stalled at whatever age it happened. They also say very, very few make their way out of it because self examination would be necessary but they can’t do that or the false person they are would crumble.
I even found a few verses…the only one I remember is something about wiping your mouth and declaring, no one has caught me cheating!
 
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That's the "much love" hypocrisy. He won't attack personally...just puts a "like" on whoever is slandering and doing the ugliness. Then when confronted he calls that "ugliness."
Yes. The goal (I’ve studied it until it’s coming out of my ears) is to make yourself look good to others and make the other person look like a villain. Great and careful thought is put into plans to make it look like someone else’s goodness is their own and their badness is what the other person is like.
You can read so many stories online of people who were almost completely mentally and emotionally destroyed by covert and malignant narcissists. It’s hideously ugly business.
 

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I posted 2 posts just a few minutes ago...and one of them you liked...so you are caught red-handed. Do you lie?
Caught in a lie? I looked. I have not liked any of your posts today. so who is the one lying?


Or just have a bad memory...as I've said before.

Go to Posts # 1224 and #1336 in my thread called "What does it mean to be born again? Pages 62 and 67

I think you just like it when I am attacked for trying to convey truth to the unwilling.
Post 1224:

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post 1336:

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wer you mistaken on post numbers? Because you did not write either of the posts..
 

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He did not say he WAS as righteous as God.

He said we are RECKONED or DEEMED (seen as) being as righteous of God. Because we have Gods rightiousness imputed to us like abraham did.

You need to learn how to discern words. And not just pull out what you want to see.
You are a piece of work... So you ALSO believe you are as righteous as God...you as in..we.... as in...you and Enoch! (and others here) And then you say....I never claimed to be as righteous as God....somebody called "we" did. So you wipe your mouth and claim exactly the opposite of what you actually said.

Can you be trusted with ANY words...not a one.

On judgment day will that be your excuse?
You will say... I never said I did such and such..I said WE did...since there is safety in numbers? Will that get you off the hook?


So if I hear you say...we hate pie...and then I say you said ...that you hate pie...you will say. I never said that. I said that WE hate pie. So we have to find someone called "we"????

And besides I can't find where he says that he himself is as righteous as God...and then says...because I deny that that I'm the false teacher.
 
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Satan was the very first narcissist.
manipulation of words is a big part of it. And gaslighting you. And triangulation. And making flying monkeys to do your dirty work.
 
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The devils' doctrine...To believe that God imputes HIS righteousness to you. And then say...that is what Abraham's righteousness was.

I can't believe the craziness.

No one is as righteous as God. And people will say I'm the false teacher. Ya'll need to go back to nursery school.
 
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You are a piece of work... So you ALSO believe you are as righteous as God...you as in..we....
No. Neither of us said we are AS RIGHTEOUS as God.

Why do you falsly accuse so much??
as in...you and Enoch! (and others here) And then you say....I never claimed to be as righteous as God....somebody called "we" did. So you wipe your mouth and claim exactly the opposite of what you actually said.

Can you be trusted with ANY words...not a one.

On judgment day will that be your excuse?
You will say... I never said I did such and such..I said WE did...since there is safety in numbers? Will that get you off the hook?


So if I hear you say...we hate pie...and then I say you said ...that you hate pie...you will say. I never said that. I said that WE hate pie. So we have to find someone called "we"????

And besides I can't find where he says that he himself is as righteous as God...and then says...because I deny that that I'm the false teacher.
No.

He said he was FOUND or RECKONED righteous.

He did not say we was sinless.

I am amazed you are arguing this

You state in your own words God will not let sin in. so in your own words. In your own Gospel. YOU must be as righteous as God. Or you must be reckoned to be as righteous. Otherwise you have no hope yourself.
 

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The devils' doctrine...To believe that God imputes HIS righteousness to you. And then say...that is what Abraham's righteousness was.

I can't believe the craziness.

No one is as righteous as God. And people will say I'm the false teacher. Ya'll need to go back to nursery school.
well if Gods righteousness is not imputed to you. Your stuck to approach God based on your own righteousness. And you better be as righteous as God is. Or your lost.
 
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Is that all you have to contribute to the thread? No weighty commentary? Maybe you are still processing the subject matter?
Friend, nothing is weightier than your hypocrisy, claim of right theology and higher walk while spattering out insults to all who reject your mystical, anti-Biblical claims THAT SHOW you don’t have the humble Spirit of Christ.

Let's get serious, then. If you turn to ad hominems I won't play along. So if you are serious, don't do that.

He’s as serious as any charlatan mystic.
 

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Satan was the very first narcissist.
manipulation of words is a big part of it. And gaslighting you. And triangulation. And making flying monkeys to do your dirty work.

so someone who says they are SEEN as righteouis as God because of imputation?

Yet somene else says they claim to BE as righteous as God.

which one is manipulating words?

and who is gaslighting who? The false accuser. or the one who claims what he is?
 
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well if Gods righteousness is not imputed to you. Your stuck to approach God based on your own righteousness.
19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, through His flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God,22 let’s approach God with a [h]sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let’s hold firmly to the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; 24 and let’s consider how to [i]encourage one another in love and good deeds, 25 not abandoning our own meeting together, as is the habit of some people, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.