CAN YOU BE SAVED AND NOT LOVE JESUS?
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I see you are skipping my questions and writing to whomever, but not me. Is it because you don't know the answers?
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Sin/Eve/Desire all are the same thing. Neither is different in any way shape or form. Eve symbolises desire and the birthplace of sin. The apple symbolises desire and the birthplace of sin. And sin is sin. When we pursue desire, its considered sin. Desire no matter how big or small is selfish in nature
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when we take an apple from a tree in means of desire we are sinning. However if we recieve the apple from the tree as life and love, honour the tree and are consiouse of it. This is pure. Once again this is an example on a perspective of truth and our alignment with nature and our inner and outer world.
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Names create difference. Names come from the ego. Names are to tell things apart. Names are of seen nature. Names hold judgment and belief.
However, God is of unseen nature. God brings things together. Things that are eternal perfect and unseen cannot hold judgment nor have a name.
In God we just exist. I am.
However, God is of unseen nature. God brings things together. Things that are eternal perfect and unseen cannot hold judgment nor have a name.
In God we just exist. I am.
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For a start, these are the ones you ignored.
The New Covenant is completely different in the way we keep God's eternal laws. How?
The Ten Commandments are holy, but Christians are not under them. Why?
Why were they given, and for how long?
Sinners are UNDER the Ten Commandments. Are Christians sinners? If we are cleansed of all unrighteousness, are we with sin, or without sin?
@Zachariah, I'll let you try to answer these questions with actual answers. I'm going to bed and will read them in the morning.
Brakelite
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Can we be saved and yet not love Jesus? No. "If ye love me, keep my commandments". Can we be saved in a state of disobedience? No. That's how humanity lost it's exalted position in Eden. Shall we return to that position but have no change in attitude, or character, or impulses? No again.
Expecting to be saved yet have no real relationship or love for Jesus and all He stands for is like using Jesus as a get out of jail free card. Israel thought like that, only their card was grazing behind the barn. Did them no good at all.
Expecting to be saved yet have no real relationship or love for Jesus and all He stands for is like using Jesus as a get out of jail free card. Israel thought like that, only their card was grazing behind the barn. Did them no good at all.
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The new Covenant that jesus brought about is a simple way we can harmonise with the complicated laws of god and nature. It is not different, it is just simplex. For those who are lacking in truth and understanding, this is a simple foundation apon which we can begin our alignment.
Why aren't Christians under the 10 holy commandments? This is something that Christians should really be asking themselves. When we snap out of a passive state of naivety we start to question things like this which is very healthy. For me, I relate and identify with all of these 10 commandments. But I relate to them through God personally rather than the 10 commandments themselves. This i believe separates what is man and what is truth. Or what is man and what is God.
Why where they given and for how long? Refering to my last answer, Natural law or the laws of God are eternal. Always have and always will be. Never changing, they don't discriminate. They where before the 10 commandments and they will be still here when the 10 commandments are nowhere to be seen. Mans perspective of the 10 commandments, why, who, what, how and for how long becomes irrelevant to the truth or irrelevant to God. God is the source, if it is true, it is true. Truth does not change, only our perspective of the truth.
Are we sinners? So there are two aspects of our reality. The inside world which are emotions, and the outside world which is our physicle reality. Our physicle reality and man itself (Adam) is in a litteral sence, sin manifest. Our bodies are manifestations of sin itself. We can come to this reasoning because something that we can see and comprehend is not perfect. You can't see God. You can't see perfection. Perfection is whole, and the source lf its own life. This we are not and are slowly moving towards death. We are living manifestations of sin. However on the inside world, we are able to transcend our physicle reality and experience the spirit of God, or what is the source of all life and truth. Snapping out of ignorance and naivety and challenging our belief systems, becoming un-comfotable and challenging the aspects of our flesh on the inner world, which are things like belief, ego, pride, controlling nature, possession etc. We align ourself with God on from the inside slowly start to become more and more sinless.
Wrangler
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A is A. Righteousness is righteousness. The point about filthy rags is not to say we are without this attribute absolutely. Rather, it is a relative comparison of human v divine.
So, in conclusion:
- Do humans posses righteousness? YES (even though this human righteousness compared to divine righteousness is like a filthy rag).
- Is human righteousness sufficient for us to save ourselves? NO.
Yes.
What is the basis for not agreeing?
By your star of David I knew you were either in Judaism or a Messianic Jew. Which one? Unfortunately, it is not what Christ accomplished.
Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.
Both the righteous and holy are Christians, but one is more perfect than the other. Both are sinless.
ChristisGod
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except we are not saved as babies. if there is no love for Jesus there is no love. its no different than marrying someone you don't love. if one doesn't love their Savior then one must question that relationship which is not built upon love.
Jesus said to love the Lord you God with all of your mind, all of your strength, all of your heart and all of your soul- In other words love God with everything you have and are as a person.
amigo de christo
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God has already chosen HOW to save the world . by the preaching of the gospel .
if ye LOVED GOD you would have lOVED ME for i came forth from GOD .
If a man loves not Christ , HE LOVES NOT GOD .
Its time we get back to the original life saving gospel . FOR CHRIST ALONE is the only name whereby one may be saved .
Look at that great urgency the early church had to preach CHRIST . THERE IS A REASON THEY HAD IT
and we must have it TOO . Now march on in the trenches devin . ITS TIME TO POINT TO CHRIST
and to say with urgency , BELIEVE YE IN HIM .
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