23 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine!

[Always Believing]

I will resubmit the questions you skirted around:

1. When did/does Christ rise to the right hand of majesty on high?
2. Where does Scripture locate that throne – in heaven or on earth?
3. When was/is “all power … in heaven and in earth” given unto Jesus (Matthew 28:18)?
4. How much more power than “all power... in heaven and in earth.” does He need to exercise power and authority over His enemies?
5. Do you believe that Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)?
6. When are “angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him,” (1 Peter 3:22 says) now or in the age to come?

Yes, yesterday, today, and tomorrow, including during His millennial reign on this earth for a thousand years, and His eternal dwelling with man on the new earth.

 

[WPM]

Yes, yesterday, today, and tomorrow, including during His millennial reign on this earth for a thousand years, and His eternal dwelling with man on the new earth.

So, He is reigning now? Correct. This proves that Rev 20 relates to the here-and-now. God's elect are spiritually reigning with Him in heaven and on earth now.

 

[Always Believing]

LOL. Plain words of scripture. Really? What does that even mean?

Exactly. Symbolizers also change the plain meaning of words to fit their symbolic ideology. You don't just symbolize things as you wish, but you also make the standard meaning of words meaningless.

Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech.

If He was going to have a physical kingdom on earth for a thousand years, as you believe, then what do you make of the following passage:
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

That is the kingdom He hands over to the Father: It's the kingdom of all nations, that the Son will personally rule over. After His reign on earth expires with a thousand years, He then destroys His last enemies on earth, Gog and Magog, and then is the end with the last judgment, and death itself is cast into the lake of fire..

The Son does not hand over to the Father, the Father's own kingdom.

But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

God does not hand over the spiritual and heavenly things of God, to God.

The everlasting kingdom of Christ is the everlasting kingdom of the Father, which the Lamb is now free to give to whosever believes on Him.

Do you think "the end" here is talking about the end of the thousand years (and the beginning of Satan's little season)?

Of course not. The end of all things on earth, is after His kingdom reign over all nations expires.

If so, why would He hand over the kingdom to the Father even before Satan's little season occurs?

You see how your error of making His earthly millennial kingdom to be His everlasting kingdom, makes no sense with Scripture.

You make His everlasting kingdom to expire, and you also think God is handing over His own everlasting kingdom to God.

The everlasting kingdom of God, has and will always be the Father's and the Son's.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

 

[Always Believing]

So, He is reigning now? Correct. This proves that Rev 20 relates to the here-and-now.

And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.

Rev 20 cannot be speaking of Christ's eternal reign, because it is a reign that will expire with a thousand years.

Amil teaching is that reign is His everlasting kingdom, that will expire.

God's elect are spiritually reigning with Him in heaven and on earth now.

Beautiful. As I said, I don't want you guys to get banned for raging in defeat.

Here you have another one: You think you are reigning in heaven. There's only one way to reign in heaven, and that's spiritually.

You really do think you have been resurrected with Jesus in the first resurrection of the dead, and are reigning in heaven.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

You can't even reign in your own mouth, much less in heaven.

And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

 

[Truth7t7]

Like your fellow Dispies, it doesnt matter how much truth you are given you refuse to see 2 tribs - one from God in AD70 against Jerusalem and the other future from Satan against God's people.

There ya go, that 2,000 year gap on "fulfillment" of the great tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 , just like I said that Ole reformed preterist rubber ruler, no different than the disp's interpretation on the 70th week of Daniel

Of course the false reformed preterist teaching has to answer how can you gave a 70AD great tribulation in Matthew 24:21 and Jesus returning immediately after the tribulation in Matthew 24:29-30,Big Smiles!

Yes create a 2,000+ year long fulfillment of the Matthew 24:21 tribulation, all the way out to when Satan is released in the future

That reformed preterist false teaching has the dispy's beat on Daniels 70th week hands down, and that's the truth

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

Do all you amils copy and paste just to see yourselves in print?

It appears you have a hard time dealing with biblical truth

Sound The Alarm!

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Truth7t7]

What audience was that?

More childish "Diversion"

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[covenantee]

More childish "Diversion"

Jesus Is The Lord

Afraid to answer?

 

[WPM]

And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.

Rev 20 cannot be speaking of Christ's eternal reign, because it is a reign that will expire with a thousand years.

Amil teaching is that reign is His everlasting kingdom, that will expire.



Beautiful. As I said, I don't want you guys to get banned for raging in defeat.

Here you have another one: You think you are reigning in heaven. There's only one way to reign in heaven, and that's spiritually.

You really do think you have been resurrected with Jesus in the first resurrection of the dead, and are reigning in heaven.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

You can't even reign in your own mouth, much less in heaven.

And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

Revelation 20:4 says, “Blessed and holy is he that hath part (present active particle) in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be (plural future middle indicative) priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign (plural future middle indicative) with him a thousand years.”

This is speaking from the perspective of the "first resurrection." This can only relate to Christ's glorious victory over the grave that allowed the "souls" of God's people to rise to the heavenly abode during the intermediate state to reign with Christ.

The focus here is what results from the “first resurrection.” It is not just that the elect secure eternal salvation and are saved from the terror of eternal punishment (the second death) but it is that they become kings and priests as a result of this great victory over every enemy that has held man down. It is important to see that the wording here is made in the context of the resurrection. It commenced the millennial period, when Jesus defeated the grave. There is no other first resurrection.

We are reigning now. We are kings and priests on earth now. The "dead in Christ" are kings and priests in heaven now. After we identified with this resurrection we entered into the heavenly reign of Christ in life on earth (in its yet imperfect sense) and in glory (in its more perfect sense) when He comes again.

Acts 17:28 tells us, “For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.”

Through Christ – and what He has secured at Calvary – we now have our standing and inheritance. We possess a spiritual power within us from above since Pentecost that will assure us victory in the many spiritual challenges we face on this earth.

The New Testament respectfully states that we are what we are and we will be what we will be “through Christ” “in Christ” or “by Christ.” Ephesians 5:30 describes the spiritual oneness found in Christ: “For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.” Our “life is hid with Christ in God” (Col 3:3). That means we “are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power” (Col 2:11).

John says in Revelation 1:5-6, “Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made (aorist active indicative) us kings and priests unto God and his father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever.”

We are kings now!!! We therefore reign now!!! This is current and occurs before the second coming of the Lord. This shows what we are now positionally and spiritually “in Christ” – which is reigning in delegated authority will be realised in all its eternal glory physically when we are glorified at Christ’s Coming. The elect of God become kings and priests in salvation when they enter into all the riches of Christ and His glorious power. We become joint-heirs with Him in His current reign and marvellous glory. We become imitators of Him in His humble and contrite earthly ministry. Here again Calvary is given as the transaction that enabled believers to enter into the two spiritual offices described here – kingship and priesthood. Without the cross-work we could never have realised these heavenly privileges.

This dual role of kingship and priesthood is not just restricted to the redeemed in heaven, or does it commence at entry into the heavenly shore, it begins upon this earth at the new birth. The family of God today are positionally reigning as kings and priest in both heaven and on earth. They perform such an awesome function in and through the person of Christ and His impeccable life, His atoning death and victorious resurrection. In fact, 1 Peter 2:9 says of the Church presently – intra-Advent, “Ye are a chosen generation, a royal (or kingly) priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.”

We are kings and priests today. The demand of a priest was to make a sacrifice
and intercede for the people. We fulfil that spiritually, not in an Old Testament sense. The responsibility of a king was to reign and exercise authority and power within the kingdom. We fulfil that spiritually, not in an Old Testament sense.

We are presently a kingly priesthood. This is current and occurs before the second coming of the Lord.

Many Christians are under the mistaken impression that their spiritual kingship and place of reigning in Christ is all yet future; however, whilst our reign is assuredly future, it is also assuredly present.

Please read Romans 5:17, “For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.”

We are positionally reigning now in life through Christ. Such was secured through Christ's victorious work at Calvary. There, Christ defeated every enemy of righteousness – including sin, death, the grave, hell, Satan, sickness, the demonic realm, and so on. The people of God, being “in Christ,” have therefore entered into that victory and have been given kingdom authority over the demonic realm through the blood of Jesus when moving in the Spirit and in the will of God. In fact, the word "shall" in the King James Version doesn't actually appear in the original but is added by the translators.

Listen to what Paul teaches in Romans 8:16-17: "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."

Being “joint-heirs with Christ” means that we enjoy the benefits and privileges of what He won for us through His sinless life, His atoning death, and His victorious resurrection. What is more, as "joint-heirs with Christ" we reign because He reigns.

When we put on Christ in salvation we entered into His kingdom and therefore came under His kingship, which resulted in us being placed in heavenly authority with kingly robes. The elect of God today “are ambassadors for Christ” (2 Corinthians 5:20). The reason being, “he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

The Greek word for “heir” is kleronomos meaning ‘getting by apportionment’, it can be interpreted ‘an inheritor or a possessor’. This is what happens upon salvation, we were adopted into the family of God and became one with Christ, whereupon, through Christ, we assumed a heavenly inheritance.

Christians do not lose any of their spiritual power when they die, they continue to reign "in Christ" because they are one with Him. They rule because He rules. It is Premil that always wants to diminish the power and authority of Christ and His Church in life and in death. They present a BIG devil, and a small god, instead of a small devil and a BIG God.

 

[WPM]

On earth with His resurrected saints. Yes. That's what Scripture plainly says.


Gog and Magog will have a delusional season of thinking they are. Or at least, thinking they soon will be.

So, Satan takes over after your future millennium and reigns for a season in your theory as Jesus and the glorified saints watch on helplessly? What a bust. What a disaster.

 

[WPM]

Exactly. Symbolizers also change the plain meaning of words to fit their symbolic ideology. You don't just symbolize things as you wish, but you also make the standard meaning of words meaningless.

Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech.


That is the kingdom He hands over to the Father: It's the kingdom of all nations, that the Son will personally rule over. After His reign on earth expires with a thousand years, He then destroys His last enemies on earth, Gog and Magog, and then is the end with the last judgment, and death itself is cast into the lake of fire..

The Son does not hand over to the Father, the Father's own kingdom.

But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

God does not hand over the spiritual and heavenly things of God, to God.

The everlasting kingdom of Christ is the everlasting kingdom of the Father, which the Lamb is now free to give to whosever believes on Him.



Of course not. The end of all things on earth, is after His kingdom reign over all nations expires.


You see how your error of making His earthly millennial kingdom to be His everlasting kingdom, makes no sense with Scripture.

You make His everlasting kingdom to expire, and you also think God is handing over His own everlasting kingdom to God.

The everlasting kingdom of God, has and will always be the Father's and the Son's.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

If His reign is everlasting then it cannot end. Where in Rev 20 does it show Jesus reigning on earth?

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 20:4 says, “Blessed and holy is he that hath part (present active particle) in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be (plural future middle indicative) priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign (plural future middle indicative) with him a thousand years.”

This is speaking from the perspective of the "first resurrection." This can only relate to Christ's glorious victory over the grave that allowed the "souls" of God's people to rise to the heavenly abode during the intermediate state to reign with Christ.

"False" the "First Resurrection" is referencing "The Last Day" resurrection of "All"

There are "Two" resurrections on this last day, the righteous are blessed to be in the "First Resurrection" to eternal life as you have been shown "Several Times", you promote reformed preterist eschatology above biblical truth as seen below, read it again and again

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life
2.) (Second Death/Resurrection) To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[WPM]

"False" the "First Resurrection" is referencing "The Last Day" resurrection of "All"

There are "Two" resurrections on this last day, the righteous are blessed to be in the "First Resurrection" to eternal life as you have been shown "Several Times", you promote reformed preterist eschatology above biblical truth as seen below, read it again and again

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life
2.) (Second Death/Resurrection) To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Please read the biblical evidence above that you keep avoiding.

 

[Truth7t7]

Please read the biblical evidence above that you keep avoiding.

Obtaining salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ has absolutely "Nothing" to do with the interpretation of "First Resurrection" mentioned in Revelation 20:4, as you falsely claim it's partaking in the first resurrection of Jesus Christ "Wrong"

As you have been shown several times, it pertains to the future resurrection of all, and the righteous are blessed to be in the "First Resurrection" to eternal life, it's that simple as you ignore this biblical truth before youe eyes

Are there "Two Resurrection" on the last day, 100% Yes, the righteous "First" to eternal life,, the wicked "Second" to the second death in the lake of fire

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[WPM]

Obtaining salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ has absolutely "Nothing" to do with the interpretation of "First Resurrection" mentioned in Revelation 20:4, as you falsely claim it's partaking in the first resurrection of Jesus Christ "Wrong"

As you have been shown several times, it pertains to the future resurrection of all, and the righteous are blessed to be in the "First Resurrection" to eternal life, it's that simple as you ignore this biblical truth before youe eyes

Are there "Two Resurrection" on the last day, 100% Yes, the righteous "First" the wicked "Second" to the second death in the lake of fire

Jesus Is The Lord

How can it be at the end of the millennium because all those who experience in it reign with Christ during the millennium?

 

[Timtofly]

Really? How long of a break is there "between the 7th week and the 8th week"?

Why does it matter the length? You do realize that Daniel lived around 500 BC? You do realize He was alive when the decree went out.

"In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel."


"Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The Lord God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah."

The work stopped after 49 years, 7 weeks, by the command of Artexerxes. Artexerxes reversed that decision after some years. Surely you all could do the math, instead of force fitting the whole 70 weeks into 62 weeks? 62 weeks was was the result when Artexerxes changed his mind on the matter, after he was petitioned to do so.

"We certify the king that, if this city be builded again, and the walls thereof set up, by this means thou shalt have no portion on this side the river. Then sent the king an answer unto Rehum the chancellor, and to Shimshai the scribe, and to the rest of their companions that dwell in Samaria, and unto the rest beyond the river, Peace, and at such a time. The letter which ye sent unto us hath been plainly read before me. And I commanded, and search hath been made, and it is found that this city of old time hath made insurrection against kings, and that rebellion and sedition have been made therein. There have been mighty kings also over Jerusalem, which have ruled over all countries beyond the river; and toll, tribute, and custom, was paid unto them. Give ye now commandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded, until another commandment shall be given from me."

They stopped building the city at that point from the original decree by Cyrus.

You all don't even start the 70 weeks until after the first 49 years while the city was already being built.

Amil get the past wrong and the future wrong. About all they have right is soteriology. The Cross did happen, and that is not an argument concerning eschatology at play here. The first year of Cyrus that fulfilled Jeremiah and the promise to return and rebuild, the theme of Daniel 9 was prior to 500BC. That was over 530 years at least before the Cross.

It is not hard to cram 490 years into 530. In fact that leaves a difference of 40 years. If you remove the 33 years to allow Jesus to grow up, the gap was at least 7 years. But the 490 years or even 482 years were way up before Jesus was born. Because only 2 old people were still waiting for the Messiah. Every one else was surprised by the birth of the Messiah. John the Baptist was still prophesying the coming of Messiah decades after the birth. Luke 2. Matthew 3

 

[WPM]

Why does it matter the length? You do realize that Daniel lived around 500 BC? You do realize He was alive when the decree went out.

"In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel."


"Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The Lord God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah."

The work stopped after 49 years, 7 weeks, by the command of Artexerxes. Artexerxes reversed that decision after some years. Surely you all could do the math, instead of force fitting the whole 70 weeks into 62 weeks? 62 weeks was was the result when Artexerxes changed his mind on the matter, after he was petitioned to do so.

"We certify the king that, if this city be builded again, and the walls thereof set up, by this means thou shalt have no portion on this side the river. Then sent the king an answer unto Rehum the chancellor, and to Shimshai the scribe, and to the rest of their companions that dwell in Samaria, and unto the rest beyond the river, Peace, and at such a time. The letter which ye sent unto us hath been plainly read before me. And I commanded, and search hath been made, and it is found that this city of old time hath made insurrection against kings, and that rebellion and sedition have been made therein. There have been mighty kings also over Jerusalem, which have ruled over all countries beyond the river; and toll, tribute, and custom, was paid unto them. Give ye now commandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded, until another commandment shall be given from me."

They stopped building the city at that point from the original decree by Cyrus.

You all don't even start the 70 weeks until after the first 49 years while the city was already being built.

Amil get the past wrong and the future wrong. About all they have right is soteriology. The Cross did happen, and that is not an argument concerning eschatology at play here. The first year of Cyrus that fulfilled Jeremiah and the promise to return and rebuild, the theme of Daniel 9 was prior to 500BC. That was over 530 years at least before the Cross.

It is not hard to cram 490 years into 530. In fact that leaves a difference of 40 years. If you remove the 33 years to allow Jesus to grow up, the gap was at least 7 years. But the 490 years or even 482 years were way up before Jesus was born. Because only 2 old people were still waiting for the Messiah. Every one else was surprised by the birth of the Messiah. John the Baptist was still prophesying the coming of Messiah decades after the birth. Luke 2. Matthew 3

Stop avoiding. How long of a break is there "between the 7th week and the 8th week"?

 

[Truth7t7]

How can it be at the end of the millennium because all those who experience in it reign with Christ during the millennium?

You build your "False Assumption" on the reformed preterist eschatology that "First Resurrection" in Revelation 20:4 pertains to partaking in that of Jesus Christ's Resurrection in 33AD "False"

"First Resurrection" in Revelation 20:4 is referencing "The Last Day" resurrection of "All"

There are "Two" resurrections on this last day, the righteous are blessed to be in the "First Resurrection" to eternal life as you have been shown "Several Times", you promote reformed preterist eschatology above biblical truth as seen below, read it again and again

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death/Resurrection) has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life
2.) (Second Death/Resurrection) To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Timtofly]

I love it when it's kept simple like this. What you are saying is that kingdom of Christ spoken of in Rev 20, is bound to a thousand years, and when that thousand years expires, then so must that kingdom on earth being spoken of: it is a kingdom of Christ on earth bound and limited to a thousand years on earth.

That is not the case though. The reason the reigning stops is not the 1,000 years. That is just the time given to those ressurected beheaded souls to reign with Christ.

The reigning stops, because this creation is returned to God from where it came in Genesis 1:1. Creation has a beginning and an end. The entire reign of Christ was from the Beginning of creation until creation stopped being. God was made all in all. There was no more creation but only God.

1 Corinthians 15:28

Jesus must reign until all things are subdued, or made subject to the will of God. The plan for creation being made complete. Jesus as having authority and power never stops. That authority is transferred to the NHNE.

 

[Timtofly]

You deny that Luke knew the identity of the AOD.

You deny that Christ knew that the destruction of His old covenant nation would be great tribulation.

Yes, it's that simple indeed.

The Roman armies are not an AoD "set up". They set up camp as a seige. That is not the same as an AoD set up in the temple itself as fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes which was the fulfillment of Daniel.

Besides the armies in Luke happened in 66AD, not 70AD. You have the AoD set up twice within 3 years of each other.