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covenantee

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The Roman armies are not an AoD "set up". They set up camp as a seige. That is not the same as an AoD set up in the temple itself as fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes which was the fulfillment of Daniel.

Besides the armies in Luke happened in 66AD, not 70AD. You have the AoD set up twice within 3 years of each other.
There is no AoD "set up" in Daniel 9, Matthew 24, or Luke 21; chapters in which the destruction of Jerusalem is prophesied. The Roman armies were fully active destroying Jerusalem in 70 AD. They were the only AoD (Luke 21:20).
 

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So, Satan takes over after your future millennium and reigns for a season in your theory as Jesus and the glorified saints watch on helplessly? What a bust. What a disaster.
He obviously didn't even consider this. His theory is utter nonsense and nothing more. He is the one who believes that Jesus will reign over a kingdom only for a temporary period of time, not us. He keeps trying to claim that is what we believe, but it's only what he believes.
 

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Why does it matter the length?
If you could provide that info then it would lend credibility to your claim, but you obviously are unable to do that. Why? Because you make things up. That is why when you get challenged on something you have no response. Your false beliefs have been exposed.
 

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There is no AoD "set up" in Daniel 9, Matthew 24, or Luke 21; chapters in which the destruction of Jerusalem is prophesied. The Roman armies were fully active destroying Jerusalem in 70 AD. They were the only AoD (Luke 21:20).
"NO" Roman armies in 70AD wasn't the AOD seen in Luke 21:20 as you continue to push the false reformed presterist eschatology

Those spoken about in Luke chater 21 is a "Future" generation that will be "Eyewitnesses" of the great tribulation and second coming as seen below in bold red

Does Jesus Christ instruct the believer in verse 28 below to look up, their redemption is nigh in the second coming 100% "Yes" and you know it

You disregard biblical truth below, and you continue to teach "False" reformed preterist eschatology in 70AD fulfillment "Why"?


"Look Up Your Redemption Draweth Nigh"

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
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And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
 

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That is why when you get challenged on something you have no response. Your false beliefs have been exposed.
Like those that teach false reformed preterist eschatology in 70AD fulfillment, your throwing rocks in a glass house, smiles!
 

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"NO" Roman armies in 70AD wasn't the AOD seen in Luke 21:20 as you continue to push the false reformed presterist eschatology

Those spoken about in Luke chater 21 is a "Future" generation that will be "Eyewitnesses" of the great tribulation and second coming as seen below in bold red

Does Jesus Christ instruct the believer in verse 28 below to look up, their redemption is nigh in the second coming 100% "Yes" and you know it

You disregard biblical truth below, and you continue to teach "False" reformed preterist eschatology in 70AD fulfillment "Why"?


"Look Up Your Redemption Draweth Nigh"

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
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And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Proverbs 26:11
 

Truth7t7

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Obviously, not all scripture is written in a literal, plain sense. Unless you're on the lookout for a literal beast with seven literal heads and ten literal horns? Wouldn't surprise me if you are.
Scripture clearly identifies (The Beast) as a living human man, as he and the false prophet will be cast "Living" into the lake of fire, just to mention one

You use sarcasm, trying desperately to discredit the fact that scripture clearly teaches of this future literal human man, as if he's a fairy tale character "Beware"!

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 

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Read the Bible and you will see the nonsense of that. The dead in Christ in the OT (who you now admit belong the Church), are raised when Christ comes. Your writings contradict themselves.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 says, “I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”

The focus of 1 Thessalonians 4 is concentrated solely upon the Christian dead. The reason is: Paul was actually comforting the believers in regard to the fate and future of their dead brethren. This is seen in the four references to such in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 says, “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep … For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him … we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.”

This in no way negates a general resurrection at the second coming. It is simply addressing one of many issues at the coming of Christ.
Paul was not talking about any dead people, Paul was talking about a change not a resurrection. If Jesus brings them from Paradise when He comes, they have already been changed. You are denying that Jesus brings them with Him, but that they are still in Abraham's bosom at the Second Coming.

A resurrection out of a grave is the same as a resurrection out of Abraham's bosom.

They are not called out of Abraham's bosom moments prior to them being with Jesus in Paradise. Rising first has been an ongoing phenomenon since Jesus said it is finished on the Cross. We alive on earth have not missed it, because we are not asleep yet. Sleep has to happen first.
 
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The Roman armies are not an AoD "set up". They set up camp as a seige. That is not the same as an AoD set up in the temple itself as fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes which was the fulfillment of Daniel.

Besides the armies in Luke happened in 66AD, not 70AD. You have the AoD set up twice within 3 years of each other
You're repeating yourself. I responded to this previously.
 

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So, Satan takes over after your future millennium and reigns for a season in your theory as Jesus and the glorified saints watch on helplessly? What a bust. What a disaster.
Nope. Satan only rules in the Amil interpretation of Revelation 20. You misrepresent premil.
 

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Stop avoiding. How long of a break is there "between the 7th week and the 8th week"?
You quote the verse that you avoided, and you will have your answer. From the time Artexerxes stopped the work by decree, until Artexerxes started the work back up at your starting point.
 

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There is no AoD "set up" in Daniel 9, Matthew 24, or Luke 21; chapters in which the destruction of Jerusalem is prophesied. The Roman armies were fully active destroying Jerusalem in 70 AD. They were the only AoD (Luke 21:20).
"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place."

The AoD is not a group of people.

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate."

The sacrifice stops. Instead there is standing instead the AoD.

" And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

Luke 21:20

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh."

That was in 66AD. Jerusalem was not destroyed for another 3 years. Besides "desolation" and the AoD are not the same things.

The Holy of Holies was rendered desolate at the Cross. Not sure why you are waiting another 37 to 40 years. Is there a gap in "your 70th week"?
 

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If you could provide that info then it would lend credibility to your claim, but you obviously are unable to do that. Why? Because you make things up. That is why when you get challenged on something you have no response. Your false beliefs have been exposed.
I showed where it stopped. You are the one denying the Scripture that is was stopped by decree. They did stop rebuilding Jerusalem in the text.

You are the ones claiming there was no gap. You have to prove that Scriptures are wrong. I was pointing out that Scripture was fulfilled.
 

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You quote the verse that you avoided, and you will have your answer. From the time Artexerxes stopped the work by decree, until Artexerxes started the work back up at your starting point.

Stop avoiding. How long of a break is there "between the 7th week and the 8th week"?
 

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Paul was not talking about any dead people, Paul was talking about a change not a resurrection. If Jesus brings them from Paradise when He comes, they have already been changed. You are denying that Jesus brings them with Him, but that they are still in Abraham's bosom at the Second Coming.

A resurrection out of a grave is the same as a resurrection out of Abraham's bosom.

They are not called out of Abraham's bosom moments prior to them being with Jesus in Paradise. Rising first has been an ongoing phenomenon since Jesus said it is finished on the Cross. We alive on earth have not missed it, because we are not asleep yet. Sleep has to happen first.

LOL. You should write your own Bible.

Abraham's bosom is a completely different location to the grave. Abraham's bosom was where the spirits of the redeemed populated before the cross. The grave is where the bodies of the redeemed lay until the resurrection.
 

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The AoD is not a group of people.
It was the Roman army. (Luke 21:20)

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate."

The sacrifice stops. Instead there is standing instead the AoD.
Christ stopped the sacrifice at Calvary. In 70 AD He destroyed Jerusalem, using the Roman army as His instrument of judgment and desolation. (Luke 21:20)

" And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."
That's not in Daniel 9, and does not describe the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Luke 21:20

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh."

That was in 66AD. Jerusalem was not destroyed for another 3 years. Besides "desolation" and the AoD are not the same things.

The Holy of Holies was rendered desolate at the Cross. Not sure why you are waiting another 37 to 40 years. Is there a gap in "your 70th week"?
The desolation wrought by the Roman army AoD began after the Christians fled, and continued through 70 AD.

The Holy of Holies was rendered obsolete at the Cross. Jerusalem was rendered desolate in 70 AD. God granted the intervening years of mercy to Israel before the 70 AD desolation. Why? Because He is a God of mercy.
 
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It was the Roman army. (Luke 21:20)


Christ stopped the sacrifice at Calvary. In 70 AD He destroyed Jerusalem, using the Roman army as His instrument of judgment and desolation. (Luke 21:20)


That's not in Daniel 9, and does not describe the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.


The desolation wrought by the Roman army AoD began after the Christians fled, and continued through 70 AD.

The Holy of Holies was rendered obsolete at the Cross. Jerusalem was rendered desolate in 70 AD. God granted the intervening years of mercy to Israel before the 70 AD desolation. Why? Because He is a God of mercy.
"NO" Roman armies in 70AD wasn't the AOD seen in Luke 21:20 as you continue to push the false reformed presterist eschatology

Those spoken about in Luke chater 21 is a "Future" generation that will be "Eyewitnesses" of the great tribulation and second coming as seen below in bold red

Does Jesus Christ instruct the believer in verse 28 below to look up, their redemption is nigh in the second coming 100% "Yes" and you know it

You disregard biblical truth below, and you continue to teach "False" reformed preterist eschatology in 70AD fulfillment "Why"?


"Look Up Your Redemption Draweth Nigh"

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
 

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LOL. You should write your own Bible.

Abraham's bosom is a completely different location to the grave. Abraham's bosom was where the spirits of the redeemed populated before the cross. The grave is where the bodies of the redeemed lay until the resurrection.
You should take head to the current Bible, instead of changing it.

You provided no Scripture with this post, so this is just your own imagination at work.

The body only returns to dust. It is not waiting any where for a resurrection. It is dead and will remain dead.

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle be destroyed, we have a building given of God, that is, an house not made with hands, but eternal in the heavens."

Do you plan on taking this temporal body to Paradise by preserving it, thus rejecting God's permanent building waiting in Paradise?

You fail to see that even on earth this permanent body is already available for people while on earth. The soul does not need to enter Paradise prior to receiving this body.

You limit God by declaring God raises people from the dead back into Adam's dead corruptible flesh. That is ridiculous.

The point is about the soul being forever in Paradise. At least until the New Jerusalem descends from Heaven. Do you call Paul a liar because his forever ends at some point?

Has this building always been available as it is eternal?

You don't seem to realize that Adam physically died and was changed from this eternal physical body to the dead temporal body of sin and death, immediately when he disobeyed God. You have accepted along with Eve the deception: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die.

Adam's dead flesh is not eternal, but temporal. You can't take it with you. You have to accept the change, and leave your human understanding behind.