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Always Believing

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Scripture doesn't teach anyone will rule with a rod of iron on this earth as you suggest, your claims aren't found in scripture, the very reason your response doesn't contain any
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


You have no knowledge of truth of Scripture, because all you do is twist it to your own imagination.

JW's do the same.
 

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And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


You have no knowledge of truth of Scripture, because all you do is twist it to your own imagination.

JW's do the same.
Many falsely believe and teach "Rod Of Iron" is some sort of (Rulers Scepter) "Wrong"!

A "Rod Of Iron" is a "Tool Of Destruction" that a Potter destroys clay vessels with

Jesus returns and destroy's the wicked like a Potter destroy's his vessels with a "Rod Of Iron" its that simple

Sad part is, many have been clearly shown this truth several times, and they continue to teach error

The "Rod Of Iron" is a "Tool Of Destruction" not a "Kings Scepter" as many falsely believe and teach


Psalm 2:9KJV
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation 2:27KJV
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 19:15KJV
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
 
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Jesus rules and reigns today over all creation.
True.

There is nothing that is not under His feet.
Tell that to Russia, China, Iran, and any democrat today.

Your so-called millennial rule of Christ is dysfunctional. Neither Christ nor any Christian is ruling the nations with a rod of iron at this time.

You continue to teach a delusion, that having Christ reign over Christians lives, is Christ ruling the nations.

When Christ is ruling the nations. They will know it.

This proves that Christ has already come and now exercises kingship today over all mankind. I
Tell that to Russia, China, Iran, and any democrat today.


t means: He carries the Father’s divine authority. He is currently enthroned. This is sovereign power! He holds this today upon His Father’s throne as God and upon David’s throne as Messiah.
The throne of David is not the throne of God, nor will it be the throne of God and the Lamb.

The throne of David is only on earth, in which Christ will sit during His millennium.

He reigns today over the seen and the unseen world making every power and every authority “subject unto him.”
Yes, and He continues to allow evil doers in authority to continue for a space. When He comes again, He will be the only One exercising authority over nations on earth, with His resurrected saints.

He rules intimately over His spiritual kingdom as Messiah and sovereignly over the physical kingdoms of the world and over all mankind as God.
Tell that to Russia, China, Iran, and any democrat today.

Without a doubt Christ is reigning over His enemies since the resurrection,
Tell that to Nero, Muhammed, Attila, Ghengis, Hitler....


Those who question Christ’s current reign do great assault upon the truth of God’s Word and undermine the current sovereign kingly position that He now assuredly holds.
Those who think they are ruling nations with Christ today, are deluded. Just ask any of your neighbors, when you tell them you are.

If one responds with a gun in hand, don't dare them to shoot you . You're still just flesh and blood; howbeit full of vain imagination.


He is going to reveal to mankind, time, and to the natural, what He is now in heaven, the invisible realm and in eternity. He "is (indeed) the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords.”
True. He will come again to the earth in immortal flesh and bones, from the air as the shining of lightning from east to west.

Premil is constantly exalting the power and influence of Satan and diluting the sovereign power and influence of Christ.
Only in the the false doctrines, prophecies, and gospels of men, such as amillennialism.

Amils saying this world and nations of the earth, are currently ruled by Christ, are accusing Him of dysfunctional rule.

Whether they mean to or not, Premils are always highlighting what Satan is doing in our day instead of what Christ is doing.

Amils are purposely saying Christ personally rules a world of wickedness. That's not the millennium of Jesus Christ you preach, but of a false christ led by the god of this world.

Premil portrays a BIG devil and a small god, Amil has a small devil and a BIG God.
Amillennialism has the true God currently ruling the nations of earth today. They preach Jesus Christ is the god of this world.

In Premil, Satan seems sovereign in this age and God is curtailed.
The god of this world is over the nations of men, ruled by men and not by God.

Jesus christ has all power and authority to be exercised in heaven and on earth. He is currently doing so in all of heaven, and in all His households of faith on earth. He will not do so over all the earth, until He comes again to do so.

Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.


whereas Amil sees a victorious potent New Testament Church invading the nations with the good news of Christ and subjugating the powers of darkness as they do so.
As I said. The modern church militant in belligerence of pride. I wouldn't let you cross my threshold, just alike any JW, Mormon, or Pentecostal proselytizers.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
 

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While you may believe that you might end up in hell, I do not.

OSAS is as false as amillennialism. And just as full of pride.
I possess eternal life. Many have a religious confesion that does not provide any assurance. They are always scared of losing their salvation.
There is no assurance of being saved unto the end, without adding to our faith those things that ensure we shall never fall.

Faith alone assurance is personal pride alone.

What is more, you missed the current ongoing reality of the millennium in the texts I quoted,
Christ is not currently ruling the nations of this wicked world. Nor are you. Try telling one of your neighbors you are, and maybe they'll show you reality at the end of a gun.

My toilet is too good for you to rule over.
 
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True.


Tell that to Russia, China, Iran, and any democrat today.

Your so-called millennial rule of Christ is dysfunctional. Neither Christ nor any Christian is ruling the nations with a rod of iron at this time.

You continue to teach a delusion, that having Christ reign over Christians lives, is Christ ruling the nations.

When Christ is ruling the nations. They will know it.


Tell that to Russia, China, Iran, and any democrat today.



The throne of David is not the throne of God, nor will it be the throne of God and the Lamb.

The throne of David is only on earth, in which Christ will sit during His millennium.


Yes, and He continues to allow evil doers in authority to continue for a space. When He comes again, He will be the only One exercising authority over nations on earth, with His resurrected saints.


Tell that to Russia, China, Iran, and any democrat today.


Tell that to Nero, Muhammed, Attila, Ghengis, Hitler....



Those who think they are ruling nations with Christ today, are deluded. Just ask any of your neighbors, when you tell them you are.

If one responds with a gun in hand, don't dare them to shoot you . You're still just flesh and blood; howbeit full of vain imagination.



True. He will come again to the earth in immortal flesh and bones, from the air as the shining of lightning from east to west.


Only in the the false doctrines, prophecies, and gospels of men, such as amillennialism.

Amils saying this world and nations of the earth, are currently ruled by Christ, are accusing Him of dysfunctional rule.



Amils are purposely saying Christ personally rules a world of wickedness. That's not the millennium of Jesus Christ you preach, but of a false christ led by the god of this world.


Amillennialism has the true God currently ruling the nations of earth today. They preach Jesus Christ is the god of this world

You are so obsessed with what Satan is doing and his evil that you miss what God is doing. None of the folly of man dilutes the sovereign authority of Christ ruling and reigning over all mankind. You can mock the supreme authority of Christ all you wish but it does not diminish it in any way. Scripture constantly depicts the magnificence, greatness and mighty power of Christ sitting at the right hand of Majesty ruling at the place of sovereign authority upon high. He holds all heaven’s power. He is King of kings. He is Lord of lords.

Scripture expressly refutes your position. Revelation 12:5-11 says: "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

Here is when he got his eviction notice, and here is "when" salvation came to the "whole world" - not just one nation Israel. The deception enveloping the Gentiles was lifted - praise God. They are now without excuse, just like those in the OT that rejected salvation. Salvation has now come to the nations. But Satan had to first be cast down. He had to be defeated. Christ’s life, death and resurrection safely secured that. As a result, the Church becomes a militant overcoming organism.

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 tells us: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.”

Here you have it: “all rule and all authority and power” are “put down” at “Christ's … Coming.” It is that simple, and that clear. Those who take a clear, objective and literal straightforward reading of this text will see that it spells the end of all rebellion. However, this is the opposite to the Premil millennium: which has more wicked and more enemies arising and culminates in the greatest uprising in human history – as the wicked, against the saints of God “as the sand of the sea.”

Paul then reminds us:

1 Corinthians 15:25-26: “For he must reign (present, active infinitive), till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.”

Here he shows that Christ is reigning now. It is written in the present, active infinitive sense. How long does he reign? He confirms: “till he hath put all enemies under his feet.” Again, this couldn’t be clearer! Every last enemy will be subjugated and subdued at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. The last enemy is identified as death!

There you have it! The second coming sees the final subjugation of all:

· rule
· authority
· power
· death

Paul then reinforces this thought:

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 “For ‘he hath put’ (aorist active indicative) (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to) all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to) him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to) all things under him. And when all things shall be (hupotasso) subdued (or subordinated or submitted to) unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to), that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”

Paul, again, repeats the great truth that God “hath put all things under his feet” as He reigns in majestic glory upon high. The reign described here is aorist active indicative, meaning it is ongoing. He also shows, whilst Christ is reigning over His enemies as Lord and God, they will NOT be made His footstool, subdued and put down until the second coming.

The whole focus here is the current reign of Christ upon the heavenly throne that will culminate in the final downfall of all his enemies when he appears. Then we'll his enemies finally be subdued, put down, and made his footstool.

Hebrews 1:2, 3, 2:9 says, “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things … Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high … Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him.”

There it is! He is the supreme power. He is the government. He carries all authority. Whilst new enemies are being born every day, while new wicked regimes continually arise, Christ determines what He allows and what He doesn't. There is nothing that is not under Him. The world is NOT out of control. God has a plan and that plan will be fulfilled, when God sees fit.

1 Peter 3:22 says, that Christ, who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God (now!!!); angels and authorities and powers being (currently!!!) made subject unto him.”

Without a doubt Christ is reigning over His enemies since the resurrection, waiting for their final predetermined put down. Those who question Christ’s current reign do great assault upon the truth of God’s Word and undermine the current sovereign kingly position that He now assuredly holds. They also circumvent clear New Testament writings that teach Christ is reigning now.
 

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My toilet is too good for you to rule over.

No wonder you are so angry, bitter and crude. You have no assurance in your heart. Your hope is in yourself. That is why you believe you could end up in hell one day. That must be a tormented way to live.

I Thessalonians 3:13 says, “To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, At the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints."

There we go again!

Ephesians 4:30 says, “And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

Ephesians 1:13 declares, “after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”

The Holy Spirit is here described as “that Holy Spirit of promise.”

The word “earnest” here relates to a security down payment. It is taken from the Greek word arrhabon (ar-hrab-ohn’), which is from a Hebrew origin [meaning a pledge in advance as security for the rest.

You have heard of earnest money. It is a portion of something, given or done in advance as a promise of the remainder.

The WordWeb dictionary defines the noun "earnest" as: “Something of value given by one person to another to bind a contract.”

I like assurance. I like security. I like the promises of God. I choose to receive them, how about you?

Jesus said in Matthew 28:20, “lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.”

Jesus says He is with you for the duration! And all God’s people said?

When you know this, you can walk by faith in the constant assurance that God is with you.

One of my favorite verses when questions arise is Hebrews 13:5. It has a wonderful promise for the believer from God, “I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.”
 
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The throne of David is only on earth, in which Christ will sit during His millennium.

Not so! Where in the NT does it say that David's throne is on earth? Nowhere! You have a habit of always repeating what you have been taught rather than quoting what Scripture says. The ancient prediction speak about Messianic authority over true Israel. You make the same hyper-literal mistakes that the Pharisees did. You have a wrong concept of the kingship of Christ and a wrong concept of the kingdom of God. You do not comprehend the current heavenly rule over His enemies. Your theology prevents you doing that.

Listen to Peter preaching on Psalm 110:1, when speaking about David and his throne, says, “For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance [referring to Psalms 16:8-10]. Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne [referring to Psalms 132:12]; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption [referring to Psalms 16:10]. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, the Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou on my right hand, until I make thy foes thy footstool [referring to Psalm 110:1]. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:25-36).

Peter shows us that Psalm 110:1 is currently being fulfilled since Christ destroyed the power of the grave, and ascended to the right hand of majesty on high. No objective Bible student could fail to see the focus and message of this narrative. This reading is concentrated upon the victory of the resurrection of Christ nearly 2,000 years ago and the resulting current kingly Messianic reign of Christ at “the right hand of God exalted” in heaven. It confirms that Israel’s Messiah now sits enthroned upon David’s throne, and locates the timing of His assumption of the same to after “the resurrection of Christ.” As Messiah, Christ fulfilled every human demand of Him, thus rightfully assuming the kingship of Israel through His impeccable life, His atoning death and His glorious resurrection.

Christ taking David’s throne does not refer to Him sitting on some long-preserved literal physical in the Middle East (as non-believing Jews and Premils apply this to in the future), but rather Him assuming heavenly authority over the people of God and fulfilling the Messianic prophecies as Israel’s true king. As we see in the New Testament, the people of God or true Israel does not relate exclusively to a physical race but to spiritual grace on God’s elect. Peter is showing that Christ now reigns over His people in fulfilment of the Old Testament predictions.

Peter ties up his whole argument in Acts 2:36 by saying: “let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Jesus said in Revelation 22:16, “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”

This confession from Christ and this appellation describes both His humanity and His deity in the statement “root and the offspring of David.” In this reading, the Lord reveals a great mystery but yet also a great truth, how He is both before and after king David. (1) He is after David in the sense that He is of his natural “offspring” according to the flesh. However, equally, He is likewise before Him in that He is the spiritual “root of David” (Revelation 5:5, 22:16).

Christ existed before the incarnation. He was the eternal Son of God, and therefore before David. Jesus testified in John 6:62, “ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before.” The Lord testified in John 8:58, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." Jesus declared, in His great intercessory petition to His Father, in John 17:5, “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." Through these we understand the great mystery of the two aspects of Christ’s nature – His humanity and His deity.

We see Christ exposing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, in Matthew 22:42-46, when He asked, “What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.”

Here He employs the Old Testament passage in Psalm 110:1 to impress His point. In His last question, Christ was here specifically referring to the great mystery of His eternal Sonship (or His pre-existence in all eternity) – a truth that evidently perplexed the religious Pharisees. The religious Pharisees had absolutely no grasp of that great truth. They had no comprehension that He was both before and after David. The answer to the enquiry was that He was before David (being the root of David) in His divine office as the eternal Son of God; therefore, David called Him Lord. Nevertheless, He was also his offspring in a natural sense, through the incarnation at Bethlehem, and was therefore a son of David by way of lineage.

He was also revealing the duality of His nature. As the Son of David, He was showing them His humanity, as the Son of God He was revealing His Deity. This discourse also revealed Christ’s eternal Sonship. Notwithstanding, such teaching confused the religious Pharisees. As man, He has assumed the throne of David, as God He has assumed the Father's throne. This is speaking about authority. He has totally fulfilled every demand as man and God and He therefore reigns on high upon the throne of David and His Father's throne.

It is clear from Matthew 22:42-46 that Christ applies this text to Himself thus rightly claiming the dualistic divine offices of king and of priest for Himself. It was still prior to His atoning death and glorious ascent to the throne, but He explicitly draws their eyes towards His person. In doing so, He was also revealing the duality of His nature. As the Son of David, He was showing them His humanity, as the Son of God He was revealing His Deity. This discourse also revealed Christ’s eternal Sonship. Notwithstanding, such teaching confused the religious Pharisees.

A passage often overlooked on this subject is Romans 1:3-4, which declares, “Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared (or exhibited) to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.”

Here we see the duality to the nature of Christ. He was the son of David, but also the Son of God. These two titles are knitted together in the one person. Once again, they see their apex in the resurrection of the Saviour. It does matter how partial one is in their Dispensationalism these passages are irrefutable. There can be no debate from these that Christ has already assumed David’s throne.
 

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The throne of David is only on earth, in which Christ will sit during His millennium.
Sound The Alarm!

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 

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Yes, and He continues to allow evil doers in authority to continue for a space. When He comes again, He will be the only One exercising authority over nations on earth, with His resurrected saints.
Your claim is "False"

"All" The unsaved wicked will be "Destroyed" when Jesus is revealed

"Destroyed Them All"

Luke 19:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 

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And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


You have no knowledge of truth of Scripture, because all you do is twist it to your own imagination.

JW's do the same.

How about addressing the subject at hand instead of your usual ad hominem?
 

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The desolation of Jerusalem began with the abominable Roman army's siege in 70 AD.

So AoD in 70 AD.
So only a certain Roman army? Why just that one particular Roman army? Why not all of them including the AoD that even Pontius Pilate was accused of setting up? Since you are mentioning the historical record and not Scripture?

Josephus wrote of several events that you consider an AoD. You seem to hang your hat on one particular peg, simply to bolster your eschatology.
 

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So only a certain Roman army? Why just that one particular Roman army? Why not all of them including the AoD that even Pontius Pilate was accused of setting up? Since you are mentioning the historical record and not Scripture?

Josephus wrote of several events that you consider an AoD. You seem to hang your hat on one particular peg, simply to bolster your eschatology.
Hang your hat on Scripture and get your own eschatology right.

Luke 21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
 

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By engaging with him we lend him credibility.
By supporting the view that Luke mentions the AoD, you support a blatant contradiction of God's Word.

If a premil held that belief, you would call it nonsense. That is not comparing Scripture, nor even combining Scripture.

Even Luke points out the Olivet Discourse took place over several days, with Jesus teaching in the Temple during the day and at night on the mount of Olives.

You can read all gospel accounts in about 20 minutes. You think Jesus just kept repeating the same points every 20 minutes? Luke is a different part of the Olivet Discourse, and is not about the AoD at all. This demand that Luke has to be talking about the exact same thing Matthew is, is not prudent biblical interpretation.

Are you going to keep supporting the contradiction of the historical record along with Scripture? The Jews accused the Romans of many abominations, and the Romans accused in return the Jews of being abomination as well. It was like two different religious views clashing on the internet, except in the first century it meant death in the flesh, and not just ad hominem.

"And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives. And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, for to hear him."
 

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And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Both the chaining of Satan in the pit, and the reigning of Christ with His saints for a thousand years on earth, is limited to a thousand years, and expires after a thousand years.

If Scripture did not bind these two events to a thousand years first, then you would have liberty to believe only Satan is released after a thousand years.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.

The reason Satan is able to gather Gog and Magog to the camp of saints, is obviously because Christ and His saints are no longer ruling over all nations with rods of iron as before.


The reign of a thousand years stops is because the thousand years expires. The only reason it's call Christ's Millennium reign is because it's a thousand years.

I only go by what Scripture says. I don't insert things I'd like to see there.


This creation is melted with fire and flees the face of God and passes away. (2 Peter 3) (Rev 20-21)

The heaven and the earth is created by God, not proceeding from God. That's pagan spiritism that God is in creation.

The Son proceeded from the Father, and the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.

It is the Millennial kingdom that is delivered up to God, not returned to God.

The only one returning to God was the Son, and the spirits of all living creatures.

Once again. Stick to what Scripture says and we'll teach the truth of God, rather than the ideas of man.

The Millennium is not His eternal reign, because it is a different rule: it is Christ ruling over all nations with national authority over all men. That has never been the case, except for a temporary amount of time over the nation and kingdom of Israel on earth.

Neither the Lord Jesus Christ nor any of His saints are now ruling over any nation with rod of iron. Even in 'Christian' nations if a leader is Christian, they're still not doing so with Christ's law, but only according to the law of man.



Once again, this is pagan spiritism. Maybe you should clean up your words, because they can be interpreted as God is in creation and is creation.

He and the Lamb with be the temple of the City and dwell with man therein on the new earth He creates for that purpose, but He is not that City nor the new heaven and earth.


Which is on earth and has a thousand years to do so.

Afterward He destroys all them no submitted to Him from the heart, but only outwardly for a time under His rule.


True. Jesus now has all authority over God's heavenly everlasting kingdom, which men may enter through Him, but His earthly authority with power to rule over all nations personally, will not be until His second coming to earth bodily, and only for a thousand years.

Only one things need to be acknowledged to prove His Millennial rule is not yet on earth: Neither He nor His saints are now ruling any nation personally with a rod of iron. Not so much as a city or village. Not even all Christians naming His name are doing so over their own households.
It boils down to they don't reign 999 years.

They reign eternally. It just has a 1,000 year guarantee, Satan is not loosed to deceieve people, until after the millennium is over.

They don't stop reigning after 1,000 years.
 

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Hang your hat on Scripture and get your own eschatology right.

Luke 21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Was Jerusalem desolate for centuries?

You got the desolation down, just not the AoD correct.
 

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Are you ever going to stop talking like a fool?

Does Luke refer to desolation in Luke 21:20?
Desolation is not the same as setting up an AoD.

You could have Jerusalem flourishing the total opposite of desolation, and still have an AoD set up that those flourishing Jerusalemites worship.
 

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Desolation is not the same as setting up an AoD.

You could have Jerusalem flourishing the total opposite of desolation, and still have an AoD set up that those flourishing Jerusalemites worship.
Nowhere in Daniel 9, Matthew 24, or Luke 21 is there mention of "setting up an AoD".
 

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They reign eternally.


It just has a 1,000 year guarantee, Satan is not loosed to deceieve people, until after the millennium is over.
And so, His Millennium reign on earth will be over, just as Scripture says it will be.

They don't stop reigning after 1,000 years.
On earth they do. And we certainly aren't now. If we were, Biden would not have ever stolen an election, much less act as president.

The Lord has yet to inherit and rule all nations on earth with the judgment of His law.