23 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine!

[Ezra]

It is so sad that some members on this forum believe their own dribble on the context of the bible and what it states. Sadly, the changes to the translations that we use today add to their/our confusion.

Shalom

what males you think your DRIBBLE is correct ?

 

[Truth7t7]

It is preterism that is the joke.

We Agree

 

[WPM]

There's no avoiding it.

You believe that Luke was a "false reformed presterist".

By engaging with him we lend him credibility.

 

[Ezra]

You have been taught wrong.

what makes you correct your theory

 

[Truth7t7]

By engaging with him we lend him credibility.

No Credibility Needed, God's Words Below Are True, And Reformed Preterist Claims Of 70AD Fulfillment Is "The Lie", You Choose A Denominational Teaching Over Biblical Truth, No Different Than Pre-Mil's In Their Denial, It's That Simple

"Yes", Read The Words Of Jesus Below Again And Again, That Prove Your Reformed Preterist Claims To Be "False"

"NO" Roman armies in 70AD wasn't the AOD seen in Luke 21:20 as you continue to push the "False" reformed presterist eschatology

Those spoken about in Luke chapter 21 is a "Future" generation that will be "Eyewitnesses" of the great tribulation and second coming as seen below in bold red

Does Jesus Christ instruct the believer in verse 28 below to look up, their redemption is nigh in the second coming 100% "Yes" and you know it

You disregard biblical truth below, and you continue to teach "False" reformed preterist eschatology in 70AD fulfillment "Why"?

"Look Up Your Redemption Draweth Nigh"

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[robert derrick]

That is not the case though. The reason the reigning stops is not the 1,000 years. That is just the time given to those ressurected beheaded souls to reign with Christ.

And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Both the chaining of Satan in the pit, and the reigning of Christ with His saints for a thousand years on earth, is limited to a thousand years, and expires after a thousand years.

If Scripture did not bind these two events to a thousand years first, then you would have liberty to believe only Satan is released after a thousand years.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.

The reason Satan is able to gather Gog and Magog to the camp of saints, is obviously because Christ and His saints are no longer ruling over all nations with rods of iron as before.

The reigning stops,

The reign of a thousand years stops is because the thousand years expires. The only reason it's call Christ's Millennium reign is because it's a thousand years.

I only go by what Scripture says. I don't insert things I'd like to see there.

because this creation is returned to God from where it came in Genesis 1:1.

This creation is melted with fire and flees the face of God and passes away. (2 Peter 3) (Rev 20-21)

The heaven and the earth is created by God, not proceeding from God. That's pagan spiritism that God is in creation.

The Son proceeded from the Father, and the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.

It is the Millennial kingdom that is delivered up to God, not returned to God.

The only one returning to God was the Son, and the spirits of all living creatures.

Once again. Stick to what Scripture says and we'll teach the truth of God, rather than the ideas of man.

Creation has a beginning and an end. The entire reign of Christ was from the Beginning of creation until creation stopped being.

The Millennium is not His eternal reign, because it is a different rule: it is Christ ruling over all nations with national authority over all men. That has never been the case, except for a temporary amount of time over the nation and kingdom of Israel on earth.

Neither the Lord Jesus Christ nor any of His saints are now ruling over any nation with rod of iron. Even in 'Christian' nations if a leader is Christian, they're still not doing so with Christ's law, but only according to the law of man.

God was made all in all. There was no more creation but only God.

Once again, this is pagan spiritism. Maybe you should clean up your words, because they can be interpreted as God is in creation and is creation.

He and the Lamb with be the temple of the City and dwell with man therein on the new earth He creates for that purpose, but He is not that City nor the new heaven and earth.

1 Corinthians 15:28

Jesus must reign until all things are subdued, or made subject to the will of God.

Which is on earth and has a thousand years to do so.

Afterward He destroys all them no submitted to Him from the heart, but only outwardly for a time under His rule.

The plan for creation being made complete. Jesus as having authority and power never stops. That authority is transferred to the NHNE.

True. Jesus now has all authority over God's heavenly everlasting kingdom, which men may enter through Him, but His earthly authority with power to rule over all nations personally, will not be until His second coming to earth bodily, and only for a thousand years.

Only one things need to be acknowledged to prove His Millennial rule is not yet on earth: Neither He nor His saints are now ruling any nation personally with a rod of iron. Not so much as a city or village. Not even all Christians naming His name are doing so over their own households.

 

[Truth7t7]

And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Both the chaining of Satan in the pit, and the reigning of Christ with His saints for a thousand years on earth, is limited to a thousand years, and expires after a thousand years.

If Scripture did not bind these two events to a thousand years first, then you would have liberty to believe only Satan is released after a thousand years.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.

The reason Satan is able to gather Gog and Magog to the camp of saints, is obviously because Christ and His saints are no longer ruling over all nations with rods of iron as before.


The reign of a thousand years stops is because the thousand years expires. The only reason it's call Christ's Millennium reign is because it's a thousand years.

I only go by what Scripture says. I don't insert things I'd like to see there.


This creation is melted with fire and flees the face of God and passes away. (2 Peter 3) (Rev 20-21)

The heaven and the earth is created by God, not proceeding from God. That's pagan spiritism that God is in creation.

The Son proceeded from the Father, and the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.

It is the Millennial kingdom that is delivered up to God, not returned to God.

The only one returning to God was the Son, and the spirits of all living creatures.

Once again. Stick to what Scripture says and we'll teach the truth of God, rather than the ideas of man.

The Millennium is not His eternal reign, because it is a different rule: it is Christ ruling over all nations with national authority over all men. That has never been the case, except for a temporary amount of time over the nation and kingdom of Israel on earth.

Neither the Lord Jesus Christ nor any of His saints are now ruling over any nation with rod of iron. Even in 'Christian' nations if a leader is Christian, they're still not doing so with Christ's law, but only according to the law of man.



Once again, this is pagan spiritism. Maybe you should clean up your words, because they can be interpreted as God is in creation and is creation.

He and the Lamb with be the temple of the City and dwell with man therein on the new earth He creates for that purpose, but He is not that City nor the new heaven and earth.


Which is on earth and has a thousand years to do so.

Afterward He destroys all them no submitted to Him from the heart, but only outwardly for a time under His rule.


True. Jesus now has all authority over God's heavenly everlasting kingdom, which men may enter through Him, but His earthly authority with power to rule over all nations personally, will not be until His second coming to earth bodily, and only for a thousand years.

Only one things need to be acknowledged to prove His Millennial rule is not yet on earth: Neither He nor His saints are now ruling any nation personally with a rod of iron. Not so much as a city or village. Not even all Christians naming His name are doing so over their own households.

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[covenantee]

By engaging with him we lend him credibility.

Agreed, a one-man cult who believes that Christ is antichrist doesn't warrant further interaction.

 

[robert derrick]

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

It's always disappointing to have to respond to just another copy and past job.

I say it's just a vain show of pride.

 

[WPM]

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.

The reason Satan is able to gather Gog and Magog to the camp of saints, is obviously because Christ and His saints are no longer ruling over all nations with rods of iron as before.

So, who is reigning over all the earth during Satan's little season? So, Satan takes over after your future millennium and reigns for a season in your theory as Jesus and the glorified saints watch on helplessly? What a bust. What a disaster.

The reign of a thousand years stops is because the thousand years expires. The only reason it's call Christ's Millennium reign is because it's a thousand years.

I only go by what Scripture says. I don't insert things I'd like to see there.

Really? Where does the "Scripture" say "Christ's Millennium reign"?

This creation is melted with fire and flees the face of God and passes away. (2 Peter 3) (Rev 20-21)

This occurs at the second coming when Jesus comes as a thief in the night. The only reason you reject this plain and repeated truth is because it blows your theology out of the water.

Jesus said in Matthew 24:35-51, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth His coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

After telling us that “Heaven and earth shall pass away” Jesus immediately tells us: “of that day and hour knoweth no man.” This final day that is approaching is coming unexpectedly. This fits in with the “thief in the night” scenario found elsewhere in Scripture. It would seem to confirm that the day that Christ returns is the day when the current corrupt natural order (both the creature and creation) is gloriously changed. The wicked and all corruption are destroyed when Jesus comes. The Lord here identifies the passing away of “heaven and earth” with “the coming of the Son of man.”

Christ describes this day as an unanticipated day for many – one that will find many unprepared. For those who are playing at religion they will be caught on. They will face the same punishment as the “hypocrite” when He comes: “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” The wicked are an all-inclusive group; they include every Christ-rejecter – from the religious professors to the outright profane hypocrites. They will all be caught in the destruction when they are left behind and the “heaven and earth ... pass away.”

The coming of the Lord is presented as the closing event of time and history. It is a day that sees the final and total destruction of the wicked. In fact, after presenting the events that preceded the flood of Noah’s day that saw the obliteration of the wicked, Christ highlights the fact that the judgment “took them all away.” He then likens it to the day of His return, explaining, “so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” All these associated elements are carefully brought together to demonstrate the climactic nature of Christ’s return. Mark 13:31 correlates, saying, “heaven and earth shall pass away,” Luke says the same, in Luke 21:33, saying, “heaven and earth shall pass away.” Again, the passing away of this current “heaven and earth” are carefully connected by Christ to His second coming. The timing mentioned here agrees with 2 Peter 3:10-13 which shows the heavens and earth passing away when the day of the Lord arrives as a thief in the night.

This is sudden, climactic and totally destructive. It sees God rescuing His elect and destroying the wicked.

2 Peter 3:3-13 tells us: “there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of His coming [Gr. parousia]? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”

How can anyone survive this? They cannot! It's impossible! Well the second coming is the end for the wicked, the righteous inherit the new heavens and new earth; not some suppose future thousand years that is polluted by sin, sinners, Satan, death and ongoing corruption. The appearing of Christ spells the end for all unrighteousness. Anything that is not glorified is consumed. Peter demonstrates here that when Jesus comes back the heavens, earth and all that is on the earth, and the elements are going to dissolve. His glory and unchallenged reign will be set up on the new renewed earth.

 

[robert derrick]

So, who is reigning over all the earth during Satan's little season? So, Satan takes over after your future millennium and reigns for a season in your theory as Jesus and the glorified saints watch on helplessly? What a bust. What a disaster.



Really? Where does the "Scripture" say "Christ's Millennium reign"?



This occurs at the second coming when Jesus comes as a thief in the night. The only reason you reject this plain and repeated truth is because it blows your theology out of the water.

Jesus said in Matthew 24:35-51, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth His coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

After telling us that “Heaven and earth shall pass away” Jesus immediately tells us: “of that day and hour knoweth no man.” This final day that is approaching is coming unexpectedly. This fits in with the “thief in the night” scenario found elsewhere in Scripture. It would seem to confirm that the day that Christ returns is the day when the current corrupt natural order (both the creature and creation) is gloriously changed. The wicked and all corruption are destroyed when Jesus comes. The Lord here identifies the passing away of “heaven and earth” with “the coming of the Son of man.”

Christ describes this day as an unanticipated day for many – one that will find many unprepared. For those who are playing at religion they will be caught on. They will face the same punishment as the “hypocrite” when He comes: “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” The wicked are an all-inclusive group; they include every Christ-rejecter – from the religious professors to the outright profane hypocrites. They will all be caught in the destruction when they are left behind and the “heaven and earth ... pass away.”

The coming of the Lord is presented as the closing event of time and history. It is a day that sees the final and total destruction of the wicked. In fact, after presenting the events that preceded the flood of Noah’s day that saw the obliteration of the wicked, Christ highlights the fact that the judgment “took them all away.” He then likens it to the day of His return, explaining, “so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” All these associated elements are carefully brought together to demonstrate the climactic nature of Christ’s return. Mark 13:31 correlates, saying, “heaven and earth shall pass away,” Luke says the same, in Luke 21:33, saying, “heaven and earth shall pass away.” Again, the passing away of this current “heaven and earth” are carefully connected by Christ to His second coming. The timing mentioned here agrees with 2 Peter 3:10-13 which shows the heavens and earth passing away when the day of the Lord arrives as a thief in the night.

This is sudden, climactic and totally destructive. It sees God rescuing His elect and destroying the wicked.

2 Peter 3:3-13 tells us: “there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of His coming [Gr. parousia]? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”

How can anyone survive this? They cannot! It's impossible! Well the second coming is the end for the wicked, the righteous inherit the new heavens and new earth; not some suppose future thousand years that is polluted by sin, sinners, Satan, death and ongoing corruption. The appearing of Christ spells the end for all unrighteousness. Anything that is not glorified is consumed. Peter demonstrates here that when Jesus comes back the heavens, earth and all that is on the earth, and the elements are going to dissolve. His glory and unchallenged reign will be set up on the new renewed earth.

Nothing new. When you have something other than vain repetition, I'll respond to it, so you can ignore that challenge with the others.

But when ye teach, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

 

[Always Believing]

So, He is reigning now? Correct. This proves that Rev 20 relates to the here-and-now. God's elect are spiritually reigning with Him in heaven and on earth now.

No saint is now reigning and ruling with Christ over any nation with the rod and law of Christ. Some Christians today don't even allow His reign and law to rule over their own households.

All you need do to prove to yourself, that you do not rule over anyone on earth, other than your own home, is try knocking on someone's door and start telling them what to do.

I'd be glad to tell you to get off my property. I wouldn't let someone with a spirit like yours, to rule over cleaning my toilets.

 

[WPM]

Willingly, even as He watched Pharaoh drive down into the Red Sea bed, and will watch them of all nations gathering around Armageddon.

He does so willingly, so that the blind lead the blind into their own ditch of destruction.

It's the same way He willingly allows false doctrine, prophecy, and gospels by preached by the wilfully blind, such as amillennialism.

Jesus is not on earth during the millennium. You have ducked around that fact for ages. You cannot show that. It is a fantasy in your mind. He is in heaven at the right hand now sovereignly reigning over His enemies.

 

[WPM]

I won't be dethroning the christ that makes fire come down from heaven in your sight. Jesus will do it first thing at the start of His millennial rule over the earth.

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The reign over His enemies stops when He comes in majesty and glory because He is going to destroy them and banish them into the Lake of Fire. I have showed you multiple Scripture including 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 that shows that He is currently reigning over His enemies now. You refuse to accept them because they expose your false doctrine.

Jesus testified after His resurrection: “All power [or authority] is given unto me in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18).

Jesus rules and reigns today over all creation. There is nothing that is not under His feet. What He says goes! This is biblical bedrock! This is a foundational Christian truth.

I mean, how much more power than “all power ... in heaven and in earth” does He need to exercise power and authority over His enemies?

Romans 9:5 confirms, in an often-overlooked passage: “as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all.”

This proves that Christ has already come and now exercises kingship today over all mankind. It means: He carries the Father’s divine authority. He is currently enthroned. This is sovereign power! He holds this today upon His Father’s throne as God and upon David’s throne as Messiah. Him and the Father are one spiritually in authority.

Jesus is described in Revelation 3:7 as, “he that hath the key (or authority) of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth.”

He holds all power (without qualification). After all, He is God! God either causes or permits - as He is God and He is sovereign. Simple! That is an explicit biblical truth and a Christian fundamental. The powerful language that accompanies the mention of Christ holding the key of David proves that this is referring to His majestic power and might. It says, “he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth.” This speaks of spiritual power. The key allows Christ to sovereignly open and shut in a way that no man can thwart or override.

He reigns today over the seen and the unseen world making every power and every authority “subject unto him.”

Heaven’s authority is bestowed upon Christ. He is God! Colossians 2:9-10, 14-15 confirms: "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power … Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”

He rules intimately over His spiritual kingdom as Messiah and sovereignly over the physical kingdoms of the world and over all mankind as God.

He rules intimately over His spiritual kingdom as Saviour and sovereignly over the physical kingdoms of the world and over all mankind as Lord.

1 Peter 3:22 says, that Christ, “who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God (now!!!); angels and authorities and powers being (currently!!!) made subject unto him.”

Without a doubt Christ is reigning over His enemies since the resurrection, waiting for their final predetermined put down. Those who question Christ’s current reign do great assault upon the truth of God’s Word and undermine the current sovereign kingly position that He now assuredly holds. They also circumvent clear New Testament writings that teach Christ is reigning now.

1 Timothy 6:13-16 says, “I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate (dunastes or ruler, great authority or mighty), the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.”

He is going to reveal to mankind, time, and to the natural, what He is now in heaven, the invisible realm and in eternity. He "is (indeed) the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords.”

This all confirms my previous contention: Premil is constantly exalting the power and influence of Satan and diluting the sovereign power and influence of Christ. That is nowhere more evident than in their constant rubbishing of Christ’s current kingship over His enemies at the right hand of majesty on high. Whether they mean to or not, Premils are always highlighting what Satan is doing in our day instead of what Christ is doing. Premil portrays a BIG devil and a small god, Amil has a small devil and a BIG God. In Premil, Satan seems sovereign in this age and God is curtailed. Premils are always lauding the ability of Satan since the cross. In Amil, Christ is sovereign and Satan is curtailed. Amils are always lauding the ability of Christ since the cross. As a consequence, Premil portrays an impotent beat-down New Testament Church, whereas Amil sees a victorious potent New Testament Church invading the nations with the good news of Christ and subjugating the powers of darkness as they do so. In Amil Christ reigns over all creation as God and His new creation as Saviour.

If Christ is not already King of kings, then neither is He already Lord of lords. But Revelation 19:14 tell us: "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

 

[Keraz]

If Christ is not already King of kings, then neither is He already Lord of lords. But Revelation 17:14 tell us: "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

An example of how the AMill believers misuse scripture.

Rev 17:12-13 is saying how the forces of the 'beast'; the leader of the One World Govt, will conquer the holy people. As Prophesied in Daniel 7:25, Zechariah 14:1-2 and Revelation 13:5-8.
But the Lord will save and protect His own, the faithful half; by taking them to a place of safety. Revelation 12:14 Those Christians who violated the Covenant, Daniel 11:32, must remain. Revelation 12:17

1260 days later Jesus will physically Return, as the literal and actual King of Kings and Lord of Lords; to destroy the armies in the holy Land and chain up Satan. Revelation 19:11-21
Then His angels will gather those faithful people to Him, in Jerusalem. Matthew 24:30-31

 

[Always Believing]

Revelation 20:4 says, “Blessed and holy is he that hath part (present active particle) in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be (plural future middle indicative) priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign (plural future middle indicative) with him a thousand years.”

This is speaking from the perspective of the "first resurrection."

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Neither has nor is first resurrection of the dead come to pass, nor are the beast and false prophet yet in the LOF.

Prophecy of God is good as gold, and can be spoken or in present and past tense, though yet to be performed by the Lord.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

The focus here is what results from the “first resurrection.”

True. To reign and rule over all nations with Him on earth. He resurrects His church first, so that He is not ruling alone, but with His resurrected saints.

Even as He has prophesied, so shall it be.

It is not just that the elect secure eternal salvation and are saved from the terror of eternal punishment (the second death) but it is that they become kings and priests as a result of this great victory over every enemy that has held man down. It is important to see that the wording here is made in the context of the resurrection. It commenced the millennial period, when Jesus defeated the grave. There is no other first resurrection.

The resurrection is not past, and your delusion of having been resurrected and now ruling over all nations on earth with Him, is the same overthrow of faith and delusional imagination that Paul speaks of:

Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

Just go to someone's door and start ruling them. If they produce a gun,t hen don't dare them to shoot, because you do not have an immortal body.

We are reigning now.

No, you're not. Follow the above suggestion to disavow yourself of any notion that you are resurrected and ruling over nations in Hi millennium on earth.

We are kings and priests on earth now.

True. Spiritually only, and only in our own households.

The "dead in Christ" are kings and priests in heaven now.

No, they are not. We are kings and priests with Christ while on earth only. Now spiritually only, and during His millinium with resurrrected bodies also.

Thee is only one King reigning in heaven, and He has now priests nor priesthood. Neither will He in New jerusalem, where He will be the temple thereof.

You have nothing to say to rule others now on earth, and you will never have anything to so in rule of heaven.

Some men have pride in accomplishments, you are taking pride in nothing.

Through Christ – and what He has secured at Calvary – we now have our standing and inheritance. We possess a spiritual power within us from above since Pentecost that will assure us victory in the many spiritual challenges we face on this earth.

Not if you are sinning, and certainly not if you do not add to your faith the things necessary to ensure we do not fall. (2 Peter 1)

The OSAS delusions is as strong as amil past resurrection and present ruling over the earth.

We are kings now!!! We therefore reign now!!!

Well, if you have 3 exclamations point for it, then it must be true.

Try telling that at someone doorstep, and make it very loud.

which is reigning in delegated authority

You have no authority nor delegated authority of God on earth, other than over your own toilet bowl, where you sit as king.

Christians do not lose any of their spiritual power when they die,

Not if they don't die in their sin. No man has any power of God to become His sons, while sinning with the devil.

Delusional OSAS claims an unjust judge, that does not condemn them when doing the same things as the condemned of the world.

 

[Truth7t7]

No saint is now reigning and ruling with Christ over any nation with the rod and law of Christ. Some Christians today don't even allow His reign and law to rule over their own households.

All you need do to prove to yourself, that you do not rule over anyone on earth, other than your own home, is try knocking on someone's door and start telling them what to do.

I'd be glad to tell you to get off my property. I wouldn't let someone with a spirit like yours, to rule over cleaning my toilets.

Scripture doesn't teach anyone will rule with a rod of iron on this earth as you suggest, your claims aren't found in scripture, the very reason your response doesn't contain any

 

[WPM]

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Neither has nor is first resurrection of the dead come to pass, nor are the beast and false prophet yet in the LOF.

Prophecy of God is good as gold, and can be spoken or in present and past tense, though yet to be performed by the Lord.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

True. To reign and rule over all nations with Him on earth. He resurrects His church first, so that He is not ruling alone, but with His resurrected saints.

Even as He has prophesied, so shall it be.



The resurrection is not past, and your delusion of having been resurrected and now ruling over all nations on earth with Him, is the same overthrow of faith and delusional imagination that Paul speaks of:

Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

Just go to someone's door and start ruling them. If they produce a gun,t hen don't dare them to shoot, because you do not have an immortal body.


No, you're not. Follow the above suggestion to disavow yourself of any notion that you are resurrected and ruling over nations in Hi millennium on earth.


True. Spiritually only, and only in our own households.


No, they are not. We are kings and priests with Christ while on earth only. Now spiritually only, and during His millinium with resurrrected bodies also.

Thee is only one King reigning in heaven, and He has now priests nor priesthood. Neither will He in New jerusalem, where He will be the temple thereof.

You have nothing to say to rule others now on earth, and you will never have anything to so in rule of heaven.

Some men have pride in accomplishments, you are taking pride in nothing.



Not if you are sinning, and certainly not if you do not add to your faith the things necessary to ensure we do not fall. (2 Peter 1)

The OSAS delusions is as strong as amil past resurrection and present ruling over the earth.

Well, if you have 3 exclamations point for it, then it must be true.

Try telling that at someone doorstep, and make it very loud.

You have no authority nor delegated authority of God on earth, other than over your own toilet bowl, where you sit as king.


Not if they don't die in their sin. No man has any power of God to become His sons, while sinning with the devil.

Delusional OSAS claims an unjust judge, that does not condemn them when doing the same things as the condemned of the world.

While you may believe that you might end up in hell, I do not. I possess eternal life. Many have a religious confesion that does not provide any assurance. They are always scared of losing their salvation.

What is more, you missed the current ongoing reality of the millennium in the texts I quoted, but you had to ignore that and all the other passages that showed true believers are currently reigning in Christ. The fact you are not, is more of an indictment upon you and your theology.

Again, Premil has a BIG devil and small god. Amil has the opposite.

 

[Always Believing]

Jesus is not on earth during the millennium.

The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

I believe Scripture, not you.

He is in heaven at the right hand now

True.

sovereignly reigning over His enemies.

Tell that to Russia, China, Iran, or any democrat.

The millennial reign of Christ today that you prophecy, is the dysfunctional one.

When Christ Himself rules the nations, is when the nations will no more be allowed to war with one another, and all lawbreakers will be righteously judged with swift execution of sentence.

Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

 

[Truth7t7]

The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

I believe Scripture, not you.


True.



Tell that to Russia, China, Iran, or any democrat.

The millennial reign of Christ today that you prophecy, is the dysfunctional one.

When Christ Himself rules the nations, is when the nations will no more be allowed to war with one another, and all lawbreakers will be righteously judged with swift execution of sentence.

Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

No such thing as a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, it's a fabricated man made fairy tale

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)