Our Spiritual Bodies

[ChristisGod]

Can flesh inherit the Kingdom of God?

You wanted biblical support--that is my biblical support.

Here is biblical support for the physical Resurrected body.

Correcting the false teaching that flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God, a spiritual body is immaterial and the meaning of a life giving Spirit.

1 CORINTHIANS 15:50: “Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.”

Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that Jesus could not have risen in His human body of flesh and bones, because Scripture states that “flesh and blood” cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Notice that Jesus did not say that His resurrected body was made of “flesh and blood.” Rather, He said His body was made of “flesh and bone” (Luke 24:39). This is significant because the term “flesh and blood” is often used in Scripture to refer to mortal humanity,in contrast to the imperishable, resurrected body alluded to by the phrase, “flesh and bones.”

Far from claiming that the resurrected human body cannot inherit God’s kingdom, this passage asserts that the mortal, perishable human body (made of flesh and blood) cannot inherit the immortal, imperishable kingdom of God. Indeed as 1 Corinthians 15:53 states, “this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.”

A spiritual body denotes an immortal body. A spiritual body is one that is dominated by the spirit, not one that is devoid of matter. The Greek word pneumatikos means a body that is directed by the spirit as opposed to one under the dominion of the flesh. It is not ruled by the flesh that perishes but by the spirit that endures. (1 Corinthians 15:50-58). A spiritual body does no mean immaterial or invisible but immortal and imperishable. Paul makes these parallels:

Earthly- Heavenly (verse 40)
Perishable- Imperishable (verse 42)
Weak- Powerful(verse 43)
Natural-Supernatural(verse 44)
Mortal- Immortal(verse 53)

The content shows that spiritual (pneumatikos) could be translated supernatural in contrast to natural from the parallels of perishable and imperishable, corruptible and incorruptible. Pneumatikos is translated supernatural in 1 Corinthians 10:4 regarding the supernatural rock that followed them in the wilderness. In the translation spiritual refers to physical objects. In 1 Corinthians 10:45 Paul spoke of the spiritual rock that followed Israel in the wilderness from which they got spiritual drink 1 Corinthians 10:4.But the OT story (Exodus 17,Numbers 20)reveals it was a physical rock from which they got literal water to drink. The actual water they drank from the material rock was produced supernaturally. Further Paul spoke about a spiritual man 1 Corinthians 2:15 he obviously did not mean an invisible, immaterial man with no corporeal body. He was as a matter of fact speaking of a flesh and blood human being whose life is lived by the supernatural power of God, a literal person whose life is Spirit directed. A spiritual man is one who is taught by the Spirit and who receives the things that come from the Spirit of God. (1 Corinthians 2:13-14). The resurrection body can be called a spiritual body in much the same way we speak of the bible being a spiritual book. Regardless of their spiritual source and power both the resurrection body and the bible are material objects.

Life giving Spirit does not speak of the nature of Christ’s resurrected body but of the divine origin of the resurrection. Jesus physical body came back to life only by the power of God.(Romans 1:4). Paul is speaking about its spiritual source not its physical substance as a material body. If spirit describes the nature of Christ’s resurrected body then Adam with whom He is contrasted must not have a soul since he is described as of the earth, made of dust (verse 47). But the bible clearly says that Adam was a living soul(Genesis 2:7). Christ’s body is called a spiritual body(soma) which always means a physical body when referring to an individual human being. The resurrected body is called spiritual and life giving spirit because its source is in the spiritual realm, not because its substance is immaterial. Christ’s supernatural resurrection body is from heaven as Adams natural body was from the earth. (verse 47). But just as the one from earth has an immaterial soul even so the One from heaven has a material body.

hope this helps !!!

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[ChristisGod]

Stating a seemingly contrary verse does not establish the truth. All scripture must be reconciled.

I could reconcile it for you, but perhaps you should face it and be reconciled in yourself.

it affirms everything I've posted so far. in MY FLESH after my body decays I WILL SEE GOD IN MY FLESH. A Bodily Resurrection.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ScottA]

not corruptible flesh but Incorruptible flesh can in the Resurrection.

It is written "that no flesh should glory in His presence."

 

[ScottA]

Here is biblical support for the physical Resurrected body.

Correcting the false teaching that flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God, a spiritual body is immaterial and the meaning of a life giving Spirit.

1 CORINTHIANS 15:50: “Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.”

Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that Jesus could not have risen in His human body of flesh and bones, because Scripture states that “flesh and blood” cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Notice that Jesus did not say that His resurrected body was made of “flesh and blood.” Rather, He said His body was made of “flesh and bone” (Luke 24:39). This is significant because the term “flesh and blood” is often used in Scripture to refer to mortal humanity,in contrast to the imperishable, resurrected body alluded to by the phrase, “flesh and bones.”

Far from claiming that the resurrected human body cannot inherit God’s kingdom, this passage asserts that the mortal, perishable human body (made of flesh and blood) cannot inherit the immortal, imperishable kingdom of God. Indeed as 1 Corinthians 15:53 states, “this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.”

A spiritual body denotes an immortal body. A spiritual body is one that is dominated by the spirit, not one that is devoid of matter. The Greek word pneumatikos means a body that is directed by the spirit as opposed to one under the dominion of the flesh. It is not ruled by the flesh that perishes but by the spirit that endures. (1 Corinthians 15:50-58). A spiritual body does no mean immaterial or invisible but immortal and imperishable. Paul makes these parallels:

Earthly- Heavenly (verse 40)
Perishable- Imperishable (verse 42)
Weak- Powerful(verse 43)
Natural-Supernatural(verse 44)
Mortal- Immortal(verse 53)

The content shows that spiritual (pneumatikos) could be translated supernatural in contrast to natural from the parallels of perishable and imperishable, corruptible and incorruptible. Pneumatikos is translated supernatural in 1 Corinthians 10:4 regarding the supernatural rock that followed them in the wilderness. In the translation spiritual refers to physical objects. In 1 Corinthians 10:45 Paul spoke of the spiritual rock that followed Israel in the wilderness from which they got spiritual drink 1 Corinthians 10:4.But the OT story (Exodus 17,Numbers 20)reveals it was a physical rock from which they got literal water to drink. The actual water they drank from the material rock was produced supernaturally. Further Paul spoke about a spiritual man 1 Corinthians 2:15 he obviously did not mean an invisible, immaterial man with no corporeal body. He was as a matter of fact speaking of a flesh and blood human being whose life is lived by the supernatural power of God, a literal person whose life is Spirit directed. A spiritual man is one who is taught by the Spirit and who receives the things that come from the Spirit of God. (1 Corinthians 2:13-14). The resurrection body can be called a spiritual body in much the same way we speak of the bible being a spiritual book. Regardless of their spiritual source and power both the resurrection body and the bible are material objects.

Life giving Spirit does not speak of the nature of Christ’s resurrected body but of the divine origin of the resurrection. Jesus physical body came back to life only by the power of God.(Romans 1:4). Paul is speaking about its spiritual source not its physical substance as a material body. If spirit describes the nature of Christ’s resurrected body then Adam with whom He is contrasted must not have a soul since he is described as of the earth, made of dust (verse 47). But the bible clearly says that Adam was a living soul(Genesis 2:7). Christ’s body is called a spiritual body(soma) which always means a physical body when referring to an individual human being. The resurrected body is called spiritual and life giving spirit because its source is in the spiritual realm, not because its substance is immaterial. Christ’s supernatural resurrection body is from heaven as Adams natural body was from the earth. (verse 47). But just as the one from earth has an immaterial soul even so the One from heaven has a material body.

hope this helps !!!

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Flesh and blood or flesh and bone--it doesn't matter--it's all "dust"...and you know that the dust does not return to God.

 

[ScottA]

it affirms everything I've posted so far. in MY FLESH after my body decays I WILL SEE GOD IN MY FLESH. A Bodily Resurrection.

hope this helps !!!

There is no reconciliation of all scripture in what you have just said above.

To the contrary, depending on the translation the following passage might even appear to contradict itself, let alone support an idea that cannot be reconciled with all scripture:

Job 19:26​

And though after H310 my skin H5785 worms destroy H5362 this body, yet in my flesh H1320 shall I see H2372 God: H433​

"Destroy" in particular is defined as "striking off" (or removing) the skin/flesh. I submit to you therefore that Job's statement in light of all scripture is only true "in the twinkling of an eye" in passing, in which there is no contradiction.

 

[ChristisGod]

Oh, Christophany!

Rehashing the third grade lessons given to the churches does not establish them as all truth. It was just half-step language from which we were and are to press on.

Dust is still dust and is not glorified, nor is the image of mankind glorified, but every stone torn down. To the contrary, we "shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect."--not dust, not image, and not either of those glorified, but spirit, as "God is spirit", and this is the Oneness of the prayer of Christ.

Denying Jesus is still in the flesh is from the spirit of antichrist as per 1 John 4-2 and 2 John 7. It’s also denying Jesus physical / bodily Resurrection which is at the very heart of the gospel message. He has Risen indeed ! Amen

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

Stating a seemingly contrary verse does not establish the truth. All scripture must be reconciled.

I could reconcile it for you, but perhaps you should face it and be reconciled in yourself.

More proof from scripture.

ll the Fulness of Deity dwells in Him (permanently) as per Colossians 1:19 and Colossians 2:9.



This is how the passage reads and how it is to be understood in its " CONTEXT " from Colossians 1:19;2:9 concerning Christ being fully God lacking nothing in His Divinity while on this earth and His Ascension and also His humanity which remains permanent. The Incarnation was not temporal but Christ remains forever God in the flesh. All the fulness of Deity remains bodily.

In Colossians 1:19 and Colossians 2:9 the Apostle Paul said, For in HIM (CHRIST) ALL of the “ fullness of deity dwells bodily. “Did Paul use the word fullness there to mean partially? NO as Jesus did not empty Himself of His Deity. Jesus Divinity is FULL, complete lacking in nothing. The ENTIRE Fullness of Deity dwells (is present) bodily in Jesus. In Colossians 1:19 it is describing His earthly ministry and Colossians 2:9 it is describing His Post Resurrection/Ascension Glory as God Incarnate.



Colossians 1:19-20

For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven



Colossians 2:9-10- For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

Colossians 3:1- Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Paul is talking in Colossians chapters 2-3 about the glorified resurrected Christ now seated at the right hand of God not the earthly Christ pre resurrection. This is a slam dunk that He is in a human glorified resurrection body and that He continues to have all the fullness of Deity dwelling bodily in the present.



Now read the Greek below on the present ongoing meaning of DWELLS . The bodily dwelling of Deity is permanent not temporary. The Incarnation was PERMANENT.

κατοικεῖ (katoikei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 2730: To dwell in, settle in, be established in (permanently), inhabit. From kata and oikeo; to house permanently, i.e. Reside.


8.2 σωματικός, ή, όν; σωματικῶςa: (derivatives of σῶμαa ‘body,’ 8.1) pertaining to a physical body—‘bodily, physical, bodily form.’[1] Louw Nida


Expositor's Greek Testament
Colossians 2:9. in Him and in Him alone.—κατοικεῖ: “permanently dwells”. The reference is to the Exalted State, not only on account of the present, but of the context and Paul’s Christology generally.—πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος: “all the fulness of the Godhead”. πᾶν is emphatic, the whole fulness dwells in Christ.

“Dwelleth” is katoikei (κατοικει). Oikeō (Ὀικεω) means “to be at home.” Kata (Κατα), prefixed, means “down,” thus showing permanence. The compound verb was used of the permanent residents of a town as compared with the transient community. The verb is in the present tense, showing durative action. The translation reads: “Because in Him there is continuously and permanently at home all the fulness of the Godhead in bodily fashion.”

 

[ChristisGod]

Oh, Christophany!

Rehashing the third grade lessons given to the churches does not establish them as all truth. It was just half-step language from which we were and are to press on.

Dust is still dust and is not glorified, nor is the image of mankind glorified, but every stone torn down. To the contrary, we "shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect."--not dust, not image, and not either of those glorified, but spirit, as "God is spirit", and this is the Oneness of the prayer of Christ.

Denying the bodily resurrection which is the very centerpiece of the gospel is dangerous ground. It’s a salvific issue.

1 Corinthians 15
12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ScottA]

Denying Jesus is still in the flesh is from the spirit of antichrist as per 1 John 4-2 and 2 John 7. It’s also denying Jesus physical / bodily Resurrection which is at the very heart of the gospel message. He has Risen indeed ! Amen

hope this helps !!!

I have not denied Jesus still in the flesh, but have already explained just as it is written:

That is, He did not commit His flesh body to the Father but His spirit only, and gave His body of flesh to the church, saying "take, eat, this is My body"; after which He too explained that He stands and the door and knocks, and if anyone opens the door He comes [again] in to the flesh. This is the testimony that John referred to, that Jesus has come in the flesh.​

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But you apparently also confuse Jesus' resurrection in the flesh with His ascension, both of which are by the power of God in spirit, the one death, and the other life unto God. For this reason they were and are two different events. This is why He told His disciples that it was better for them if He went to the Father...because it facilitated the church becoming His body...without which there would be no testimony that He has come again in the flesh, and yet He has come. I for one do testify of it.

 

[ScottA]

More proof from scripture.

ll the Fulness of Deity dwells in Him (permanently) as per Colossians 1:19 and Colossians 2:9.



This is how the passage reads and how it is to be understood in its " CONTEXT " from Colossians 1:19;2:9 concerning Christ being fully God lacking nothing in His Divinity while on this earth and His Ascension and also His humanity which remains permanent. The Incarnation was not temporal but Christ remains forever God in the flesh. All the fulness of Deity remains bodily.

In Colossians 1:19 and Colossians 2:9 the Apostle Paul said, For in HIM (CHRIST) ALL of the “ fullness of deity dwells bodily. “Did Paul use the word fullness there to mean partially? NO as Jesus did not empty Himself of His Deity. Jesus Divinity is FULL, complete lacking in nothing. The ENTIRE Fullness of Deity dwells (is present) bodily in Jesus. In Colossians 1:19 it is describing His earthly ministry and Colossians 2:9 it is describing His Post Resurrection/Ascension Glory as God Incarnate.



Colossians 1:19-20

For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven



Colossians 2:9-10- For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

Colossians 3:1- Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Paul is talking in Colossians chapters 2-3 about the glorified resurrected Christ now seated at the right hand of God not the earthly Christ pre resurrection. This is a slam dunk that He is in a human glorified resurrection body and that He continues to have all the fullness of Deity dwelling bodily in the present.



Now read the Greek below on the present ongoing meaning of DWELLS . The bodily dwelling of Deity is permanent not temporary. The Incarnation was PERMANENT.

κατοικεῖ (katoikei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 2730: To dwell in, settle in, be established in (permanently), inhabit. From kata and oikeo; to house permanently, i.e. Reside.


8.2 σωματικός, ή, όν; σωματικῶςa: (derivatives of σῶμαa ‘body,’ 8.1) pertaining to a physical body—‘bodily, physical, bodily form.’[1] Louw Nida


Expositor's Greek Testament
Colossians 2:9. in Him and in Him alone.—κατοικεῖ: “permanently dwells”. The reference is to the Exalted State, not only on account of the present, but of the context and Paul’s Christology generally.—πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος: “all the fulness of the Godhead”. πᾶν is emphatic, the whole fulness dwells in Christ.

“Dwelleth” is katoikei (κατοικει). Oikeō (Ὀικεω) means “to be at home.” Kata (Κατα), prefixed, means “down,” thus showing permanence. The compound verb was used of the permanent residents of a town as compared with the transient community. The verb is in the present tense, showing durative action. The translation reads: “Because in Him there is continuously and permanently at home all the fulness of the Godhead in bodily fashion.”

Indeed, the reign of Jesus in both heaven and earth came well before His ascension, and is permanent. Yet the dust is still dust and returns to the earth and is dissolved.

So, yes, permanent, but not in the flesh, but in the perfection and the glory of the Father who is without flesh. And it is this that makes Jesus both God and man, that He would die, but also lives.

To claim that Jesus has retained His flesh, is to say that He has not given His body to the church, and is to deny that He is God whom is spirit. Thus, any doctrine which claims glory of the flesh--is glory of man and not of God. Such was the tower of Babel, resulting in doctrines of confusion, confusing the flesh with the spirit maintaining enmity with God for the sake of the flesh. Which is just the opposite of what Christ has done.

 

[ScottA]

Denying the bodily resurrection which is the very centerpiece of the gospel is dangerous ground. It’s a salvific issue.

1 Corinthians 15
12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

hope this helps !!!

I have not denied Jesus' bodily resurrection, but (again) have explained it according to all truth by the spirit of God.

On the contrary, it is dangerous ground to deny that He has come in the flesh which is the body of the church, and to deny that He has re-attained the full glory of God whom is spirit and not flesh, and that the flesh does not return to the dust from which it came as the scriptures say.

 

[ChristisGod]

Indeed, the reign of Jesus in both heaven and earth came well before His ascension, and is permanent. Yet the dust is still dust and returns to the earth and is dissolved.

So, yes, permanent, but not in the flesh, but in the perfection and the glory of the Father who is without flesh. And it is this that makes Jesus both God and man, that He would die, but also lives.

To claim that Jesus has retained His flesh, is to say that He has not giving His body to the church, and is to deny that He is God whom is spirit. Thus, any doctrine which claims glory of the flesh--is glory of man and not of God. Such was the tower of Babel, resulting in doctrines of confusion, confusing the flesh with the spirit maintaining enmity with God for the sake of the flesh. Which is just the opposite of what Christ has done.

You are denying the very foundation of the faith the bodily Resurrection, Ascension and 2nd Coming of Jesus as a man , the second Adam, the Son of man which means having the nature of man, a human nature.

 

[ChristisGod]

I have not denied Jesus' bodily resurrection, but (again) have explained it according to all truth by the spirit of God.

On the contrary, it is dangerous ground to deny that He has come in the flesh which is the body of the church, and to deny that He has re-attained the full glory of God whom is spirit and not flesh, and that the flesh does not return to the dust from which it came as the scriptures say.

The resurrection was permanent not temporal as you are espousing. That’s what the cults like the Jehovah Witnesses teach that He ascended as a spirit not a man.

 

[ChristisGod]

Philippians 3:20-21
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; 21 who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.
NASB

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who indwells you.
NASB

Believers bodies will be transformed from its current state which is corrupt, sinful mortal to a body like His which Incorruptible, Holy/Sinless and Immortal in the Resurrection as per 1 Cor 15, Romans 8:11, Phil 3:21.

And when we compare the above with Paul in these passages below we see that the body(soma) in the context is a real material body which is physical in the Resurrection but controlled completely by the Spirit in the afterlife.

pneumatikos: spiritual

Original Word: πνευματικός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: pneumatikos
Phonetic Spelling: (pnyoo-mat-ik-os')
Definition: spiritual
Usage: spiritual.

Thayer’s Greek Lexicon- belonging to the Divine Spirit; Used 26 times in the N.T.

a. in reference to things; emanating from the Divine Spirit, or exhibiting its effects and so its character: χάρισμα, Romans 1:11; εὐλογία, Ephesians 1:3; σοφία καί σύνεσις πνευματικῇ (opposed to σοφία σαρκικῇ, 2 Corinthians 1:12; ψυχική, James 3:15), Colossians 1:9; ᾠδαί, divinely inspired, and so redolent of the Holy Spirit, Colossians 3:16; (Ephesians 5:19 Lachmann brackets); ὁ νόμος (opposed to a σάρκινος man), Romans 7:14; θυσίαι, tropically, the acts of a life dedicated to God and approved by him, due to the influence of the Holy Spirit (tacitly opposed to the sacrifices of an external worship), 1 Peter 2:5; equivalent to produced by the sole power of God himself without natural instrumeutality, supernatural, βρῶμα, πόμα, πέτρα, 1 Corinthians 10:3, 4 ((cf. 'Teaching' etc. 10, 3 [ET])); πνευματικά, thoughts, opinions, precepts, maxims, ascribable to the Holy Spirit working in the soul, 1 Corinthians 2:13 (on which see συγκρίνω, 1); τά πνευματικά, spirithal gifts — of the endowments called χαρίσματα (see χάρισμα), 1 Corinthians 12:1; 1 Corinthians 14:1; universally, the spiritual or heavenly blessings of the gospel, opposed to τά σαρκικά, Romans 15:27; (1 Corinthians 9:11).

b. in reference to persons; one who is filled with and governed by the Spirit of God: 1 Corinthians 2:15 (cf. ); (); ; Galatians 6:1; οἶκος πνευματικός, of a body of Christians (see οἶκος, 1 b. at the end), 1 Peter 2:5. (The word is not found in the O. T. (cf. Winers Grammar, § 34, 3).


Natural(psychikos) body
Spiritual(pneumatikos) body


1 Corinthians 15:44
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

Below we see how Paul uses and contrasts the words natural (psychikos) and spiritual (pneumatikos) below;


1 Corinthians 2:14-16
14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no man.

Paul is clearly contrasting the unsaved with the saved with the natural man and spiritual man. One is controlled by the natural or the flesh while the other is controlled by the spirit/spiritual- Holy Spirit. Just like in 1 Cor 15:44 where Paul is contrasting the natural body that is controlled by the flesh with the spiritual body that is controlled by the Spirit. Both are real physical bodies but the difference is one is controlled by the flesh which is carnal and the other is controlled by the Spirit and is spiritual. One has the appetites and desires of the flesh while the other has appetites and desires controlled by the Spirit. Hence a spiritual body is one that is controlled by the Spirit of God in the Resurrection.

Paul’s usage below of spiritual(pneumatikos) in 1 Corinthians 10 where he calls the rock, food and drink spiritual it does not mean an immaterial rock, food and drink but a real Rock, Manna and Water which were with the Israelites in the wilderness wanderings.

1 Corinthians 10:1-4
For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

Now Paul drives home the point of our new literal physical bodies below in heaven from the text in 2nd Cor 5 below;

2 Corinthians 5:1-5
For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. 2 We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. 3 For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies. 4 While we live in these earthly bodies, we groan and sigh, but it's not that we want to die and get rid of these bodies that clothe us. Rather, we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life. 5 God himself has prepared us for this, and as a guarantee he has given us his Holy Spirit.

You see there is no bodiless spirit men in heaven unclothed (no body) but indeed with a heavenly body (like Jesus) has now in heaven which is flesh and bones like He said His Resurrected body was to His Disciples.


The word Spiritual is used to describe these physical things:


1-the spiritual man
2-he who is spiritual
3-the spiritual rock
4-the spiritual food
5-the spiritual drink
6-the spiritual songs
7-the spiritual house
8-the spiritual things
9-the spiritual body
10- the spiritual manna
11- the spiritual brothers

hope this helps,

@Episkopos do you agree or disagree ?

 

[ScottA]

You are denying the very foundation of the faith the bodily Resurrection, Ascension and 2nd Coming of Jesus as a man , the second Adam, the Son of man which means having the nature of man, a human nature.

I am denying nothing of what is actually true, but explaining it against the foretold false doctrines and lie that has brought strong delusion--from which it is also written: "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues."

 

[ScottA]

The resurrection was permanent not temporal as you are espousing. That’s what the cults like the Jehovah Witnesses teach that He ascended as a spirit not a man.

Who has not been wrong? I espouse none, but God and our Lord Jesus Christ who said that what you have and do "expect" is not what was to be.

What I have testified to has also been foretold.

 

[ChristisGod]

Who has not been wrong? I espouse none, but God and our Lord Jesus Christ who said that what you have and do "expect" is not what was to be.

What I have testified to has also been foretold.

What is Jesus body now and what does it consist of, or does He even have a body now ?

 

[ScottA]

What is Jesus body now and what does it consist of, or does He even have a body now ?

He himself gave the answer, saying, "take, eat, this my body"--giving over His body to the church, then confirmed many times in scripture. These are just a few:

1 Corinthians 12:27​

Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.​

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Colossians 1:24​

I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,​

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Colossians 1:18​

18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.​

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Ephesians 5:23​

23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.​

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John 2:19-22​

21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said​

 

[dev553344]

I kind of wonder that Jesus can resurrect a body without the old body. He of course opened the tombs and resurrected some from their old bodies. Hmmm, don't know. But Jesus is said to be a quickening spirit. His body was formed from the Holy Ghost. And we know from testimony in the bible that God's Holy Spirit can create physical things including the universe and the first and last Adam.

 

[ScottA]

I kind of wonder that Jesus can resurrect a body without the old body. He of course opened the tombs and resurrected some from their old bodies. Hmmm, don't know. But Jesus is said to be a quickening spirit. His body was formed from the Holy Ghost. And we know from testimony in the bible that God's Holy Spirit can create physical things including the universe and the first and last Adam.

What most loose sight of and do not fully acknowledge...is "God is spirit", "is perfect" as is, and the last Adam is "a life-giving spirit." And it is only the sinful nature of the flesh--that man of sin--that looks to glorify the flesh.