If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

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A rose by any other name ...
Patently not. People thought solar eclipses were some kind of incredible magic until later on science and astronomy informed humans of the truth. You're simply the equivalent of a Horoscope reader intent on looking for things to confirm your latest horoscope. No objectivity. It stems from an inability to confront reality, from a position of weakness, trying to fill gaps in your life and a lack of courage.
 

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If I'm wrong, I've lost nothing. If you're wrong, you've lost everything. It is IRRATIONAL to be so imprudent.
Your logic is badly badly flawed. Terminally so. If you're wrong, you're going to die because your religious arrogance prevented you from searching out the scientific substance, source of life energy, that can prevent your death and allow you to live forever.

Not to mention as well that you will have spent your stunted life in subservience to other humans who exploited your weakness and enslaved you with a clever psychological system of control.
 

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People thought solar eclipses were some kind of incredible magic until later on science and astronomy informed humans of the truth.
Appeal to Ignorance. It is amazing how many times you rely not the ignorant to make your fallacious argument. It shows how desperate you are. Sad attempt to define the divine with another name.

Miracles happen. Understanding how does not make it less a miracle. I don't know how God performs his miracles but they remain his work. There were several miracles in my church in just the last few years.

On top of that is the BILLIONS of lives that have been transformed. I among them. Praise God!
 

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Miracles happen. Understanding how does not make it less a miracle. I don't know how God performs his miracles but they remain his work. There were several miracles in my church in just the last few years.

False positive scans for aneurisms


Yet again we arrive at Cognitive Bias
 

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ROFLMAO. Death is the default end of all life. Fact of life.

Death is change, nothing more. It is the end of a form not the end of life.

Odd that a so-called Christian who should believe in the difference between the body and the soul/spirit can't see that destroying the body is not the same as destroying the soul/spirit.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Fact.
 

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  1. Humans were created as an act of love to be in communion with and worship the Creator.
  2. We are to love YHWH, the Creator, the all-powerful LORD God, with our all and others as ourselves.
  3. Sin separates us from the holy God. YHWH being eternal means this separation amounts to loss of the eternal life we were divinely intended to have as well as discontent during this life.
  4. To reconcile humanity to YHWH, he devised a grace-filled way through the atoning sacrifice of his Son.
  5. Proof of this plan is the resurrection of the Christ, witnessed by 100's - and the transforming affect on billions through the millennia.
  6. The purpose of our life to help reconcile people to God through his Son. (Agency)
  7. Not all will be saved. Many are called but few are chosen.
you might notice that that is all Church 101? Stuff anyone basically gets in one Sunday in any cult of sol "church?"
you gonna stay there forever, or what
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Hmmm. Maybe I know what I really care about more than you.
:rolleyes: ya, and maybe youre so full of crap that you would rather die than help anyone else make a point that might gasp lead to some wisdom lol
bc the belief that you are going to heaven after you have died doesnt even really ever enter your thinking, does it Wrangler

could be some of both too i guess
 
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I'm honestly not too worried about THE END. I'm more focused on my end. All I can do is my part. And I have faith in God's amazing grace. What matters most to me is NOW; serving God to my utmost. This is my reward. Contrary to @Lapidem who is appalled at the idea of being a servant; I yearn for God to use me for his purpose.
yet you have not gone out in the way of the seventy, and are not interested in doing so?
i tell you in all honesty that you are in worse shape now than before you got "saved," and i can Quote the Scripture for that if you like?
not saying that that paragraph isnt nice and all, ok
good words
 

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Can you admit that you have prayed for things numerous times and those things have not been delivered?
well if youre praying "for" things you got the totally wrong idea anyway imo
Yes. Also, many things I prayed for were granted but only after an extended time. Are you aware that there are many such examples as this in the Bible?
petitioning God in prayer for things that you would like is a purely pagan practice guys
you assume that you might change God's mind about something?
 

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well if youre praying "for" things you got the totally wrong idea anyway imo

petitioning God in prayer for things that you would like is a purely pagan practice guys
you assume that you might change God's mind about something?
Oh don't get me wrong I know perfectly well what you refer to. I'm simply playing devil's advocate to highlight the nonsense of religious dogma. The Bible is clear on all this. So-called Christians oft pray the Lord's Prayer which clearly shows the way:

"Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven"

According to the doctrine God is in control of everything. Nothing happens except that he cause it to happen or allows it to happen.

Hence there is really only one thing to pray for which all Christians should be praying . . .

"Dear God, help me understand what your will is and to accept it and show me how I can help deliver your will on Earth"

The reality of this passes over the heads of most "pretend Christians".

When a loved one is afflicted with terminal cancer they don't say "this is God's will, God made or allowed this to happen"

Instead they pray "Dear God, please heal my loved one from cancer"

This is tantamount to blasphemy. It's plainly praying for God to NOT exercise his will. Christians live in perpetual denial of this reality. They haven't thought it through.

That's why they have no tangible answer to things like the sexual abuse of innocent children by the likes of Jimmy Savile. They have to accept that it is God's will that it happens and that he stands idly by and allows it to happen. They can't deal with things like this. It challenges their belief system.
 

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That's why they have no tangible answer to things like the sexual abuse of innocent children by the likes of Jimmy Savile. They have to accept that it is God's will that it happens and that he stands idly by and allows it to happen. They can't deal with things like this. It challenges their belief system
i think it might be a little simplistic to say it is God’s will, or that He stands idly by; these amount to characterizations that might not apply, ergo they are really just opinions. It is as relevant—likely more so—to say that anyone so foolish as to trust him deserves what they get, i think, although it might seem convenient to blame God, sure. So your tangible answer is that the children are exposed by the parents, not God
imo
 

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When a loved one is afflicted with terminal cancer they don't say "this is God's will, God made or allowed this to happen"

Instead they pray "Dear God, please heal my loved one from cancer"

This is tantamount to blasphemy. It's plainly praying for God to NOT exercise his will. Christians live in perpetual denial of this reality. They haven't thought it through.

That's why they have no tangible answer to things like the sexual abuse of innocent children
Nonsense. Your view is to suppose a vending machine God, who gives you what YOU want and not what YOU DON’T WANT.

Also, your view of suffering is to suppose it is something God has an obligation to prevent us from experiencing. You have a lot to learn my friend. Good news; you’ve come to the right place.
 

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Oh don't get me wrong I know perfectly well what you refer to. I'm simply playing devil's advocate to highlight the nonsense of religious dogma. The Bible is clear on all this. So-called Christians oft pray the Lord's Prayer which clearly shows the way:

"Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven"

According to the doctrine God is in control of everything. Nothing happens except that he cause it to happen or allows it to happen.

Hence there is really only one thing to pray for which all Christians should be praying . . .

"Dear God, help me understand what your will is and to accept it and show me how I can help deliver your will on Earth"

The reality of this passes over the heads of most "pretend Christians".

When a loved one is afflicted with terminal cancer they don't say "this is God's will, God made or allowed this to happen"

Instead they pray "Dear God, please heal my loved one from cancer"

This is tantamount to blasphemy. It's plainly praying for God to NOT exercise his will. Christians live in perpetual denial of this reality. They haven't thought it through.

That's why they have no tangible answer to things like the sexual abuse of innocent children by the likes of Jimmy Savile. They have to accept that it is God's will that it happens and that he stands idly by and allows it to happen. They can't deal with things like this. It challenges their belief system.
Yah might even be literally powerless to act, as we have been granted dominion of this domain
ever consider that?
I said “you are Elohim
et al

meaning “hey, you bitches put your kids in that scenario, not Me”
 
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