Yes I said that. My beliefs are essentially rubbish and should not be considered accurate knowledge or grounded facts. So long as I think this way about beliefs I will never relapse back into psychosis. That's right, psychosis is caused by saturating the sensory faculties of the brain with beliefs.
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Yep. I must admit that in my past my beliefs in general needed people to believe the same thing. This is why I say a belief in isolation will die, that belief can only survive by replicating itself in the minds of other people. Ever noticed how many people feel validated by other people's acceptance? It could mean anything, like how it doesn't matter about those haters because people except me for who I am. I hear that type of reasoning by people who are gay. Wait a minute you're born gay, you can't prove or disprove that by whatever people believe.
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Nope. I am 100% medication free. Under no supervision, no orders, no nothing for three years or more. Not one relapse since I understood what the malfunction was.
Ziggy
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I just watched 5 hours of Tennessee State legislatures expelling 3 members for breaking the house rules on decorum in the well.
This was brought about because of a shooting in TN of a Christian school where 3 children and 3 adults were killed by a transgender person.
The argument was that the voices of the people weren't being heard about the need to have more gun laws. So these 3 led a coup to take over the house with bull horns and signs to disrupt the business of the day.
The problem with this was House rules regarding how members are to conduct themselves in the House and on the floor.
Video shows they ignored these rules.
But they believed they had the right to do what they did because the majority didn't agree with their solutions to more gun control.
Basically My way or we'll cause an insurrection on the House floor.
I found it rather ironic that Democrats defended their actions of doing the very same thing they claim Replublicans did on Jan 6th.
Personally I believe guns don't shoot themselves and the cause of the problem is the people weilding them.
And I know there is a lot of coersion going on in the minds of young people today specially by our own government.
The media is ALL propaganda. Pitting people against each other with whatever issue they can manufacture to get the greatest impact.
We're just lab rats they experiment on. And if you haven't figured that out yet then you need to wake up to reality.
I am not a "religious" person. I don't go to church. I smoke cigarettes. I been divorced twice. A lot of beliefs "religious" establishments believe, I don't agree with. My mind isn't controlled by what the world tells me I should believe. I believe in critical thinking.
I do believe that the book of Genesis is mostly allegorical, specially when it comes to Adam and Eve.
It's a simplistic way of explaining human nature. A child's bedtime story. But there is truth in it. We wanted something that didn't belong to us and we took it. That's basically the conclusion of the matter.
3 people decided they wanted to be heard regardless of the House rules and they did what they felt they were entitled to do.
2 of them got expelled. 1 didn't because I believe she didn't bring props on the floor and didn't screem into a bull horn. She just stood there for support. She wan't disrupting and agitating the crowd of people. Yet she was still in the well.
Basically she was given the fruit but didn't take a bite even though she held it in her hand. So she got a pass.
The world and the universe are controlled by laws. Seen and unseen. And in a "peaceful" society people need to come to an agreement on what those laws look like and live by them. The universe has a set of laws. Our night sky shows us that those laws are in motion. Every month you have the zodiac, every so many years you have a new age. You don't see Leo in May because it's law it's set in August
You don't see Aries in Novemeber because it's law is in April.
Nothing we can do will change those laws. The only laws we can change are those of self governance.
Even your own body has laws that are not easily shaken. What you put in your mouth eventually will come out your ...
We are all born to die. Dying begins with the first breath you take and the aging process begins.
There are no escaping laws.
The argument I hear is, who made those laws? or how did those laws come about?
My mother used to say, Man wrote the bible. Technically yes. But where did the inspiration to write it come from?
We have a story regarding Noah and a civilization of lawlessness. And they were destroying anyone and anything at will.
The only one who excaped this mayhem was guy who had some integrity and didn't go along with the crowd. An independent thinker.
Then there is Sodom and Gomorrah where the only one to escape was Lot who didn't go with the crowd who wanted to harm people.
Another independent thinker.
Then we get to Egypt where Pharoah has decided he is the lawmaker and puts an entire nation into slavery.
Moses, who has been adopted into Pharoah's family, brought up and trained under the Egyptians, sees what's going on and says:
Enough is Enough.
Why?
What makes Noah, Lot and Moses different from all the rest? Why not just go along with the crowd and not rock the boat?
What gave them the idea that doing things the way everybody else did them wasn't the best way to go?
Now Moses who wrote the first 5 books of the Bible, He says it was God. That God showed himself to him and spoke to him out of a burning bush that was not consumed. He was told to go and free the people from the slavery Egypt (the world) was keeping them under.
And everyone even today that doesn't go along with the way the world wants them to, is persecuted and thrown out into no man's land.
If you don't go along with the crowd, you get excommunicated. You get thrown out of the church.
It doesn't matter what the organization looks like. If your an independent thinker you're going to face trials and tribulation.
What matters about your choice is based on principles of integrity, honesty, compassion, and a desire for peace and justice.
Most of those things are getting scarce today and hard to find. So if you seperate yourself then you become a problem for them.
I understand IOU and Lapidem are independent thinkers. And I respect that.
They don't have to believe what we believe or what the world believes.
In some societies if you didn't believe in Baal you were toasted like a marshmallow. I get it.
The difference I find between what Jesus taught and what the world teaches, is regardless of what others do to you, you don't have to think like they do. You don't have to run with the crowd. That being an independent thinker is a good thing.
Jesus went up against the religious establishment of his day because it was becoming too worldly. They lost their independence and began to rely on the world for it's existence. That got knocked down in 70 AD but it wasn't destroyed, just punished.
You could say Jesus was Noah and his Ark was his disciples. And instead of putting faith in things like money or power and fame,
putting faith in what was good and wholesome and loving was more beneficial than elevating oneself to power or being rich.
Jesus claimed his indepent thinking came from God who he said was His father and our father. The one that created all laws seen and unseen. And when we move in accordance with those laws then everything is in order. Aries is in April, Leo is in August... and the system works with limited chaos of a rogue asteroid or comet.
What is happening today is we are being bombarded with a desire for lawlessness. A desire to break those laws and create chaos.
What we are witnessing is a return to the days of Noah just prior to the flood. And it's coming. NCSWIC.
Nothing can stop what is coming.
Because just like the universe has laws, time has laws. History and Present and Future have laws. And History always repeats itself. Just like every year the zodiac changes it features every month right on time.
The only thing that's different is what man does with the time he has while he's here.
You can either run with the crowd into chaos or you can be an independent thinker and work with the laws rather than against them.
Because usually when you go against the rules you end up getting expelled.
There are laws and rules everywhere, every minute of every day. What determines who you are is what laws and rules you choose to follow.
But I have a feeling that like "gender" , there are only two ways to go. Either you do the right thing or you do the wrong thing.
And time and karma will be your judge.
Noah didn't have a bible. Lot didn't have a bible. Moses didn't have a bible.
What they had was witnesses. Noah was prophesied by Enoch. Lot had been brought up under Abraham who believed God.
And Moses was confronted by an entity that spoke to him from a burning bush.
Jesus told us that he is the very image and likeness of God incarnate, and that we should follow his example.
I don't find anything disagreeable with Jesus' example of how we should care about each other. That love is greater than hate.
That having integrity and honesty and compassion are good things and we should try to imitate this character regardless of the cost.
What I do find disagreeable is when a religious organization or the world try to get me to bend to do their will, rather than follow the example we were given to follow.
To cause chaos in the well of the House rather than find peaceful means to resolve problems.
I don't follow a religion, I follow Jesus.
And the only one that can expel me is the world. And I'm ok with that.
Be an independent thinker. Just be a good one.
Hugs
This was brought about because of a shooting in TN of a Christian school where 3 children and 3 adults were killed by a transgender person.
The argument was that the voices of the people weren't being heard about the need to have more gun laws. So these 3 led a coup to take over the house with bull horns and signs to disrupt the business of the day.
The problem with this was House rules regarding how members are to conduct themselves in the House and on the floor.
Video shows they ignored these rules.
But they believed they had the right to do what they did because the majority didn't agree with their solutions to more gun control.
Basically My way or we'll cause an insurrection on the House floor.
I found it rather ironic that Democrats defended their actions of doing the very same thing they claim Replublicans did on Jan 6th.
Personally I believe guns don't shoot themselves and the cause of the problem is the people weilding them.
And I know there is a lot of coersion going on in the minds of young people today specially by our own government.
The media is ALL propaganda. Pitting people against each other with whatever issue they can manufacture to get the greatest impact.
We're just lab rats they experiment on. And if you haven't figured that out yet then you need to wake up to reality.
I am not a "religious" person. I don't go to church. I smoke cigarettes. I been divorced twice. A lot of beliefs "religious" establishments believe, I don't agree with. My mind isn't controlled by what the world tells me I should believe. I believe in critical thinking.
I do believe that the book of Genesis is mostly allegorical, specially when it comes to Adam and Eve.
It's a simplistic way of explaining human nature. A child's bedtime story. But there is truth in it. We wanted something that didn't belong to us and we took it. That's basically the conclusion of the matter.
3 people decided they wanted to be heard regardless of the House rules and they did what they felt they were entitled to do.
2 of them got expelled. 1 didn't because I believe she didn't bring props on the floor and didn't screem into a bull horn. She just stood there for support. She wan't disrupting and agitating the crowd of people. Yet she was still in the well.
Basically she was given the fruit but didn't take a bite even though she held it in her hand. So she got a pass.
The world and the universe are controlled by laws. Seen and unseen. And in a "peaceful" society people need to come to an agreement on what those laws look like and live by them. The universe has a set of laws. Our night sky shows us that those laws are in motion. Every month you have the zodiac, every so many years you have a new age. You don't see Leo in May because it's law it's set in August
You don't see Aries in Novemeber because it's law is in April.
Nothing we can do will change those laws. The only laws we can change are those of self governance.
Even your own body has laws that are not easily shaken. What you put in your mouth eventually will come out your ...
We are all born to die. Dying begins with the first breath you take and the aging process begins.
There are no escaping laws.
The argument I hear is, who made those laws? or how did those laws come about?
My mother used to say, Man wrote the bible. Technically yes. But where did the inspiration to write it come from?
We have a story regarding Noah and a civilization of lawlessness. And they were destroying anyone and anything at will.
The only one who excaped this mayhem was guy who had some integrity and didn't go along with the crowd. An independent thinker.
Then there is Sodom and Gomorrah where the only one to escape was Lot who didn't go with the crowd who wanted to harm people.
Another independent thinker.
Then we get to Egypt where Pharoah has decided he is the lawmaker and puts an entire nation into slavery.
Moses, who has been adopted into Pharoah's family, brought up and trained under the Egyptians, sees what's going on and says:
Enough is Enough.
Why?
What makes Noah, Lot and Moses different from all the rest? Why not just go along with the crowd and not rock the boat?
What gave them the idea that doing things the way everybody else did them wasn't the best way to go?
Now Moses who wrote the first 5 books of the Bible, He says it was God. That God showed himself to him and spoke to him out of a burning bush that was not consumed. He was told to go and free the people from the slavery Egypt (the world) was keeping them under.
And everyone even today that doesn't go along with the way the world wants them to, is persecuted and thrown out into no man's land.
If you don't go along with the crowd, you get excommunicated. You get thrown out of the church.
It doesn't matter what the organization looks like. If your an independent thinker you're going to face trials and tribulation.
What matters about your choice is based on principles of integrity, honesty, compassion, and a desire for peace and justice.
Most of those things are getting scarce today and hard to find. So if you seperate yourself then you become a problem for them.
I understand IOU and Lapidem are independent thinkers. And I respect that.
They don't have to believe what we believe or what the world believes.
In some societies if you didn't believe in Baal you were toasted like a marshmallow. I get it.
The difference I find between what Jesus taught and what the world teaches, is regardless of what others do to you, you don't have to think like they do. You don't have to run with the crowd. That being an independent thinker is a good thing.
Jesus went up against the religious establishment of his day because it was becoming too worldly. They lost their independence and began to rely on the world for it's existence. That got knocked down in 70 AD but it wasn't destroyed, just punished.
You could say Jesus was Noah and his Ark was his disciples. And instead of putting faith in things like money or power and fame,
putting faith in what was good and wholesome and loving was more beneficial than elevating oneself to power or being rich.
Jesus claimed his indepent thinking came from God who he said was His father and our father. The one that created all laws seen and unseen. And when we move in accordance with those laws then everything is in order. Aries is in April, Leo is in August... and the system works with limited chaos of a rogue asteroid or comet.
What is happening today is we are being bombarded with a desire for lawlessness. A desire to break those laws and create chaos.
What we are witnessing is a return to the days of Noah just prior to the flood. And it's coming. NCSWIC.
Nothing can stop what is coming.
Because just like the universe has laws, time has laws. History and Present and Future have laws. And History always repeats itself. Just like every year the zodiac changes it features every month right on time.
The only thing that's different is what man does with the time he has while he's here.
You can either run with the crowd into chaos or you can be an independent thinker and work with the laws rather than against them.
Because usually when you go against the rules you end up getting expelled.
There are laws and rules everywhere, every minute of every day. What determines who you are is what laws and rules you choose to follow.
But I have a feeling that like "gender" , there are only two ways to go. Either you do the right thing or you do the wrong thing.
And time and karma will be your judge.
Noah didn't have a bible. Lot didn't have a bible. Moses didn't have a bible.
What they had was witnesses. Noah was prophesied by Enoch. Lot had been brought up under Abraham who believed God.
And Moses was confronted by an entity that spoke to him from a burning bush.
Jesus told us that he is the very image and likeness of God incarnate, and that we should follow his example.
I don't find anything disagreeable with Jesus' example of how we should care about each other. That love is greater than hate.
That having integrity and honesty and compassion are good things and we should try to imitate this character regardless of the cost.
What I do find disagreeable is when a religious organization or the world try to get me to bend to do their will, rather than follow the example we were given to follow.
To cause chaos in the well of the House rather than find peaceful means to resolve problems.
I don't follow a religion, I follow Jesus.
And the only one that can expel me is the world. And I'm ok with that.
Be an independent thinker. Just be a good one.
Hugs
That was cool. Especially the hugs part.I just watched 5 hours of Tennessee State legislatures expelling 3 members for breaking the house rules on decorum in the well.
This was brought about because of a shooting in TN of a Christian school where 3 children and 3 adults were killed by a transgender person.
The argument was that the voices of the people weren't being heard about the need to have more gun laws. So these 3 led a coup to take over the house with bull horns and signs to disrupt the business of the day.
The problem with this was House rules regarding how members are to conduct themselves in the House and on the floor.
Video shows they ignored these rules.
But they believed they had the right to do what they did because the majority didn't agree with their solutions to more gun control.
Basically My way or we'll cause an insurrection on the House floor.
I found it rather ironic that Democrats defended their actions of doing the very same thing they claim Replublicans did on Jan 6th.
Personally I believe guns don't shoot themselves and the cause of the problem is the people weilding them.
And I know there is a lot of coersion going on in the minds of young people today specially by our own government.
The media is ALL propaganda. Pitting people against each other with whatever issue they can manufacture to get the greatest impact.
We're just lab rats they experiment on. And if you haven't figured that out yet then you need to wake up to reality.
I am not a "religious" person. I don't go to church. I smoke cigarettes. I been divorced twice. A lot of beliefs "religious" establishments believe, I don't agree with. My mind isn't controlled by what the world tells me I should believe. I believe in critical thinking.
I do believe that the book of Genesis is mostly allegorical, specially when it comes to Adam and Eve.
It's a simplistic way of explaining human nature. A child's bedtime story. But there is truth in it. We wanted something that didn't belong to us and we took it. That's basically the conclusion of the matter.
3 people decided they wanted to be heard regardless of the House rules and they did what they felt they were entitled to do.
2 of them got expelled. 1 didn't because I believe she didn't bring props on the floor and didn't screem into a bull horn. She just stood there for support. She wan't disrupting and agitating the crowd of people. Yet she was still in the well.
Basically she was given the fruit but didn't take a bite even though she held it in her hand. So she got a pass.
The world and the universe are controlled by laws. Seen and unseen. And in a "peaceful" society people need to come to an agreement on what those laws look like and live by them. The universe has a set of laws. Our night sky shows us that those laws are in motion. Every month you have the zodiac, every so many years you have a new age. You don't see Leo in May because it's law it's set in August
You don't see Aries in Novemeber because it's law is in April.
Nothing we can do will change those laws. The only laws we can change are those of self governance.
Even your own body has laws that are not easily shaken. What you put in your mouth eventually will come out your ...
We are all born to die. Dying begins with the first breath you take and the aging process begins.
There are no escaping laws.
The argument I hear is, who made those laws? or how did those laws come about?
My mother used to say, Man wrote the bible. Technically yes. But where did the inspiration to write it come from?
We have a story regarding Noah and a civilization of lawlessness. And they were destroying anyone and anything at will.
The only one who excaped this mayhem was guy who had some integrity and didn't go along with the crowd. An independent thinker.
Then there is Sodom and Gomorrah where the only one to escape was Lot who didn't go with the crowd who wanted to harm people.
Another independent thinker.
Then we get to Egypt where Pharoah has decided he is the lawmaker and puts an entire nation into slavery.
Moses, who has been adopted into Pharoah's family, brought up and trained under the Egyptians, sees what's going on and says:
Enough is Enough.
Why?
What makes Noah, Lot and Moses different from all the rest? Why not just go along with the crowd and not rock the boat?
What gave them the idea that doing things the way everybody else did them wasn't the best way to go?
Now Moses who wrote the first 5 books of the Bible, He says it was God. That God showed himself to him and spoke to him out of a burning bush that was not consumed. He was told to go and free the people from the slavery Egypt (the world) was keeping them under.
And everyone even today that doesn't go along with the way the world wants them to, is persecuted and thrown out into no man's land.
If you don't go along with the crowd, you get excommunicated. You get thrown out of the church.
It doesn't matter what the organization looks like. If your an independent thinker you're going to face trials and tribulation.
What matters about your choice is based on principles of integrity, honesty, compassion, and a desire for peace and justice.
Most of those things are getting scarce today and hard to find. So if you seperate yourself then you become a problem for them.
I understand IOU and Lapidem are independent thinkers. And I respect that.
They don't have to believe what we believe or what the world believes.
In some societies if you didn't believe in Baal you were toasted like a marshmallow. I get it.
The difference I find between what Jesus taught and what the world teaches, is regardless of what others do to you, you don't have to think like they do. You don't have to run with the crowd. That being an independent thinker is a good thing.
Jesus went up against the religious establishment of his day because it was becoming too worldly. They lost their independence and began to rely on the world for it's existence. That got knocked down in 70 AD but it wasn't destroyed, just punished.
You could say Jesus was Noah and his Ark was his disciples. And instead of putting faith in things like money or power and fame,
putting faith in what was good and wholesome and loving was more beneficial than elevating oneself to power or being rich.
Jesus claimed his indepent thinking came from God who he said was His father and our father. The one that created all laws seen and unseen. And when we move in accordance with those laws then everything is in order. Aries is in April, Leo is in August... and the system works with limited chaos of a rogue asteroid or comet.
What is happening today is we are being bombarded with a desire for lawlessness. A desire to break those laws and create chaos.
What we are witnessing is a return to the days of Noah just prior to the flood. And it's coming. NCSWIC.
Nothing can stop what is coming.
Because just like the universe has laws, time has laws. History and Present and Future have laws. And History always repeats itself. Just like every year the zodiac changes it features every month right on time.
The only thing that's different is what man does with the time he has while he's here.
You can either run with the crowd into chaos or you can be an independent thinker and work with the laws rather than against them.
Because usually when you go against the rules you end up getting expelled.
There are laws and rules everywhere, every minute of every day. What determines who you are is what laws and rules you choose to follow.
But I have a feeling that like "gender" , there are only two ways to go. Either you do the right thing or you do the wrong thing.
And time and karma will be your judge.
Noah didn't have a bible. Lot didn't have a bible. Moses didn't have a bible.
What they had was witnesses. Noah was prophesied by Enoch. Lot had been brought up under Abraham who believed God.
And Moses was confronted by an entity that spoke to him from a burning bush.
Jesus told us that he is the very image and likeness of God incarnate, and that we should follow his example.
I don't find anything disagreeable with Jesus' example of how we should care about each other. That love is greater than hate.
That having integrity and honesty and compassion are good things and we should try to imitate this character regardless of the cost.
What I do find disagreeable is when a religious organization or the world try to get me to bend to do their will, rather than follow the example we were given to follow.
To cause chaos in the well of the House rather than find peaceful means to resolve problems.
I don't follow a religion, I follow Jesus.
And the only one that can expel me is the world. And I'm ok with that.
Be an independent thinker. Just be a good one.
Hugs
No I don't believe there is an actual Mr or Miss universe who runs the universe.
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
And then came 5G.
I'm glad I don't have a cellphone.
Even if it means I have to go to the DMV Dept. of Motor Vehicle to renew my licence rather than do it online. (No printer either)
Has anyone seen Paris tonight?
Apparently Blackrock is under insurrection LOL
Mostly peaceful protest, they took over the building.. LOL
Karma...
Hugs
Glad to hear it. You‘re calling upon something which you don’t believe exists to kill you. Why?
Wrangler
Well-Known Member
How do you know this can happen?
Except when I had the experience I was not a believer. How do you explain this?
I don’t think anyone wants you to relapse. Shame on anyone who does, or might.
Believe whatever you want to believe, but you know and have said that what you believe is BS.
Jesus is real. Believe it or not, Mr. Ripley.
Wrangler
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Wrangler
Well-Known Member
Nihilism does explain his death wish, why the he deems his own beliefs BS, life being pointless and why Atheists tend to be depressed.
Nihilists cannot even take comfort in their assertion that their beliefs are correct. What a destitute ideology.
No I don't know about it. I have left my television off for a few weeks, and feel better too, more clear mentally and less angry. That's not saying that I don't need to be informed, it's a degree of how much information my mammalian brain can endure.
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
Haven't I explained these why's before? Then stupid me falls into the trap of re-explaining.
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