23 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine!

[Truth7t7]

You are a Scofieldite.

Fell Free To Call Me Whatever You Desire, I Denounce Adulterer Scofields Teachings That Oppose Scripture

If my belief show below is Scofieldism, then I'll wear the badge proudly, Smiles!

1.) The Church Is The Israel Of God

2.) There isn't a pre-trib rapture found in scripture

3.) There won't be a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth

4.) Jews based upon ethnic heritage aren't God's chosen people

Your confusion is Preterism vs Futurism

You follow a Preterist eschatology and I follow a Futurist eschatology

There will be a literal "Future"

1.) Daniel's AOD
2.) The Great Tribulation
3.) Human (Man Of Sin/The Beast)
4.) Literal Prophets Returned (Two Witnesses) with literal plagues upon a literal world
5.) Literal future second coming of Jesus Christ in fire and final judgment
6.) Literal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, After this earth is dissolved by fire
7.) A literal lake of fire, in concious eternal torment of the wicked

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[rwb]

Evidently he was married to two doctrines at the same time?

That's how I've been reading him also? I find much agreement with him in some things, but then he goes off in this direction that's really difficult to wrap my mind around. And what the heck is Reformed Amil/Preterist doctrine???

 

[rwb]

Fell Free To Call Me Whatever You Desire, I Denounce Adulterer Scofields Teachings That Oppose Scripture

If my belief show below is Scofieldism, then I'll wear the badge proudly, Smiles!

1.) The Church Is The Israel Of God

2.) There isn't a pre-trib rapture found in scripture

3.) There won't be a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth

4.) Jews based upon ethnic heritage aren't God's chosen people

Your confusion is Preterism vs Futurism

You follow a Preterist eschatology and I follow a Futurist eschatology

There will be a literal "Future"

1.) Daniel's AOD
2.) The Great Tribulation
3.) Human (Man Of Sin/The Beast)
4.) Literal Prophets Returned (Two Witnesses) with literal plagues upon a literal world
5.) Literal future second coming of Jesus Christ in fire and final judgment
6.) Literal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, After this earth is dissolved by fire
7.) A literal lake of fire, in concious eternal torment of the wicked

Jesus Is The Lord

So you hold to the doctrine of futurism believing certain books of the Bible are interpreted as being futuristic. Revelations, Ezekiel and the Book of Daniel fall into this category?

 

[Truth7t7]

Christ truthfully told these first century Jewish disciples the earthly city and temple would be destroyed, and His prophetic words came true.

Jesus Christ spoke of a symbolic destruction of the Temple seen, and the Temple destroyed was his literal body as scripture clearly teaches below

"Destroy This Temple" as Jesus and the Pharisees viewed the temple that took 46 years to build

Interpretation: But he spake of the temple of his body

"Yes" Reformed Preterist Eschatology in 67-70AD fulfillment, would be found in the court of the Pharisees literal interpretation

Once Again, 67-70AD Jerusalems destruction had absolutely "Nothing" to do with fulfillment of Matthew Chapter 24, Mark Chapter 13, or Luke Chapter 21

John 2:18-22KJV
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[rwb]

So you hold to the doctrine of futurism believing certain books of the Bible are interpreted as being futuristic. Revelations, Ezekiel and the Book of Daniel fall into this category?

Perhaps not futurist, but literalist would better describe your biblical view of eschatology?

 

[Truth7t7]

But unlike some I do not believe the literal destruction was the AOD or Great Tribulation Christ warned would come against Christians in every age, until time shall be no more.

Your continued claim of a 2,000+ year continued AOD and Great Tribulation is a fairy tale found no place in scripture as you have been clearly shown

It's a future generation that will be "eyewitnesses" of Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, and Second Coming as seen below, read it again and again

Look Up, Lift Up Your Heads, Your Redemption Draweth Nigh"

"A Future Generation, Unfulfilled"

Luke 21:24-28KJV
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Truth7t7]

And what label do you give your doctrinal view? I seem to remember you claim to be postmillennial???

No secret, I'm Ahmillennial in no future Millennial Kingdom, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

The resurrection and final judgement of all takes place on the last day, at the second coming (The End)

 

[Truth7t7]

So you hold to the doctrine of futurism believing certain books of the Bible are interpreted as being futuristic. Revelations, Ezekiel and the Book of Daniel fall into this category?

Fell free to ask all the questions you desire on my belief, I will post a summary below

1.) The Church Is The Israel Of God

2.) There isn't a pre-trib rapture found in scripture

3.) There won't be a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth

4.) Jews based upon ethnic heritage aren't God's chosen people

Perhaps You follow a Preterist eschatology and I follow a Futurist eschatology

There will be a literal "Future"

1.) Daniel's AOD when #3 is revealed "Future"
2.) The Great Tribulation after #3 is revealed
3.) A Literal Human (Man Of Sin/The Beast)
4.) Literal Prophets Returned (Two Witnesses) with literal plagues upon a literal world
5.) Literal future second coming of Jesus Christ in fire and final judgment
6.) Literal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, After this earth is dissolved by fire
7.) A literal lake of fire, in concious eternal torment of the wicked

 

[Timtofly]

Your infantile approach to discussion with your constant petty name-calling anyone who disagrees with you totally discredits anything you say.

You are a Scofieldite.

Say what?

 

[Truth7t7]

So you hold to the doctrine of futurism believing certain books of the Bible are interpreted as being futuristic. Revelations, Ezekiel and the Book of Daniel fall into this category?

(Revelation) some events are fulfilled, some are future, many are symbolic

(Ezekiel) Chapters 1-46 are fulfilled, Chapters 47-48 are future representing the eternal kingdom

(Daniel) Daniel's Little Horn and AOD is future unfulfilled

 

[rwb]

Fell free to ask all the questions you desire on my belief, I will post a summary below

1.) The Church Is The Israel Of God I agree

2.) There isn't a pre-trib rapture found in scripture I agree

3.) There won't be a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth I agree

4.) Jews based upon ethnic heritage aren't God's chosen people Only the ethnic Jews of faith, like all other ethnicities of faith are God's chosen people

There will be a literal "Future"

1.) Daniel's AOD when #3 is revealed "Future"
2.) The Great Tribulation after #3 is revealed
3.) A Literal Human (Man Of Sin/The Beast)
4.) Literal Prophets Returned (Two Witnesses) with literal plagues upon a literal world
5.) Literal future second coming of Jesus Christ in fire and final judgment
6.) Literal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, After this earth is dissolved by fire
7.) A literal lake of fire, in concious eternal torment of the wicked

How do you determine what is symbolic and what is literal? You seem to jump back and forth?

 

[rwb]

(Revelation) some events are fulfilled, some are future, many are symbolic

(Ezekiel) Chapters 1-46 are fulfilled, Chapters 47-48 are future representing the eternal kingdom

(Daniel) Daniel's Little Horn and AOD is future unfulfilled

How do you prove what you allege? It just seems like you jump from symbolic to literal to force fit a preconceived doctrine?

 

[rwb]

(Revelation) some events are fulfilled, some are future, many are symbolic

(Ezekiel) Chapters 1-46 are fulfilled, Chapters 47-48 are future representing the eternal kingdom

(Daniel) Daniel's Little Horn and AOD is future unfulfilled

Do you believe the prophecies of Old that foretell the Day of the Lord coming was fulfilled through the advent of Christ coming to earth a man?

 

[Truth7t7]

How do you determine what is symbolic and what is literal? You seem to jump back and forth?

I have given you a summary of my belief, feel free to choose any individual item and I will expound

Example: (Thousand Years) is not literal as Millennials falsely teach, it's symbolic of explaing to man the Lord is outside of time, where one day is a thousand years, "Eternal"

The saints live and reign for a (Thousand Years) or they live and reign in the Lord's eternal realm of one day is a thousand years, no literal time

Please identify one subject at a time, I will be more than happy to explain my belief

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

Do you believe the prophecies of Old that foretell the Day of the Lord coming was fulfilled through the advent of Christ coming to earth a man?

Please provide scripture to support your claim made, thanks

 

[rwb]

Please provide scripture to support your claim made, thanks

The prophets of Old foretell of a coming Day of the Lord. Is the prophesy of Old the Day of the Lord the Apostles foretell shall also come, or is the Day of the Lord of the Apostles the final Day of the Lord the prophets of Old foretell would come?

For example Joel prophecies of the Day of the Lord that would come, and Peter in Acts tells us the day of Pentecost with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel. Not all that Joel prophesied came to pass at Pentecost. I believe the prophets of Old write of the Day of the Lord coming in time, when all that was written of Him would be fulfilled. But when the Apostles of Christ write of the Day of the Lord coming it shall be the last day of this Day when the seventh angel begins to sound and time shall be no more.

(See Acts 2 and Joel 2)

 

[Truth7t7]

How do you prove what you allege? It just seems like you jump from symbolic to literal to force fit a preconceived doctrine?

A false claim, the book of Revelation is extensive and I have given a summary, if you define a scripture ill be more than happy to share my opinion

Daniel Chapter 7:8-11 shows the second coming, 9:24-27is future in Daniel's 70weeks and the AOD and consummation

Ezekiel 47-48 shows the river, tree of life, and eternal new Jerusalem

Once again, feel free to identify a "Specific" claim to address, your shotgun approach doesn't provide a detailed response

 

[rwb]

A false claim, the book of Revelation is extensive and I have given a summary, if you define a scripture ill be more than happy to share my opinion

Daniel Chapter 7:8-11 shows the second coming, 9:24-27is future in Daniel's 70weeks and the AOD and consummation

Ezekiel 47-48 shows the river, tree of life, and eternal new Jerusalem

Once again, feel free to identify a "Specific" claim to address, your shotgun approach doesn't provide a detailed response

If Daniel 7:8-11 depicts the second coming, how do you reconcile vs 12: As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

At the second coming there will be no lives prolonged, we shall be either caught up to meet the Lord in the air, or we will be engulfed in the consuming flames that will destroy all that remains alive on the earth at His coming again.

What is your understanding of Dan 7:13-14? I believe these verses depict the ascension of Christ to heaven when He is given dominion and a Kingdom that shall never end. I believe this depicts the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven where saints go a spirit soul after physical death on earth. This is proof that the Day of the Lord the prophets of Old foretell would come has indeed come with the first advent of Christ.

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Dan 9:24-27 was fulfilled with the advent of Christ coming to earth, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness.

 

[Truth7t7]

But when the Apostles of Christ write of the Day of the Lord coming it shall be the last day of this Day

Your claim is false, (The Day Of The Lord) is (The Last Day) it comes as a thief in the night, in sudden destruction as a woman in child birth, as scripture shows below

You approach Joel as if it cancels this future singular day of the Lord, and you desperately in false attempts try to validate your private interpretation of Daniel's AOD and The Great Tribulation being 2,000+ years long "False"

God's word isn't contradictory concerning (The Day Of The Lord) nor does it support your doctrine of 2,000+ years and waiting

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3KJV
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

 

[Truth7t7]

If Daniel 7:8-11 depicts the second coming, how do you reconcile vs 12: As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

At the second coming there will be no lives prolonged, we shall be either caught up to meet the Lord in the air, or we will be engulfed in the consuming flames that will destroy all that remains alive on the earth at His coming again.

What is your understanding of Dan 7:13-14? I believe these verses depict the ascension of Christ to heaven when He is given dominion and a Kingdom that shall never end. I believe this depicts the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven where saints go a spirit soul after physical death on earth. This is proof that the Day of the Lord the prophets of Old foretell would come has indeed come with the first advent of Christ.

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Dan 9:24-27 was fulfilled with the advent of Christ coming to earth, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness.

1.) Daniel 7:8 shows the horns they are living prior to the second coming and final judgement, the three horns lose their power, and aren't killed

2. Daniel 7:9-11 shows the second coming and final judgment (The End)

3.) Daniel 7:12 shows a "Recap" of the 3 kings in verse 8 that were removed from power, yet they lived for a season prior to the second coming and final judgement

4.) Daniel 7:13-14 Shows a "Recap" on the second coming in the clouds of heaven and the future eternal kingdom, where "All" people, nations, and languages, will serve the Lord "Future" after the wicked have been judged to the lake of fire

Daniel 7:8-14KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.