How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Lizbeth]

Listen to this and give me your feedback--take note of the scripture references--very few--and this is about being born again!

Yes, and there is no mention of the part JESUS played in the new birth. The feeling I get is like something floating on air without a solid foundation. The first ten minutes sounds like New Age rather than Christianity and it makes me want to ask the speaker what he thinks the difference is between New Age and the gospel. There is an emphasis on something called "eternal consciousness" throughout the video as if that is the salient point of being born again, which makes the message man-centred, when it should be Christ-centred. The point of being born again is that our sins have been forgiven and we have been reconciled to the FATHER through the blood of CHRIST and have been born anew of HIM as new creatures, into HIS family as children of God, receiving the spirit of adoption! We have been awakened into an awareness of a PERSON whose name is Jesus the Christ! Any message on being born again needs to be rooted and grounded in HIM, one would think. Jesus is practically absent from the message, except a couple of almost peripheral mentions of Christ later on, instead of being at the centre of the message.

 

[Lizbeth]

Why don't you ask the same of the circling crows on my threads? Birds of a feather....with all your faux outrage and virtue signaling. You are a major hypocrite bible lady.

That comment was horrible and out of line and you who call yourself a Christian overseer agreed with it. I haven't been able to keep up entirely, but I haven't seen anyone else speaking in that vein. It was base and inexcusable.

 

[Ziggy]

Romans chapter 6 talks about the wages of sin being death.
When we reckon ourselves dead to sin, then the wages of sin are annulled. The debt is paid,
Reckon means to count the cost in this context. It's the wages you earn for either sin or righteousness.
One pays you death, the other pays you life.

Hugs

 

[Waiting on him]

Yes I agree since you guys are birds of a feather who stick together. It says allot that you support a false prophet who denies the authority of scripture and the one true gospel that saves one from their sins . Who also denies Christs bodily resurrection, ascension and 2nd Coming as the Son of man.

hope this helps !!!

Eli doesn’t need my help, your a testament unto yourself.

 

[ChristisGod]

Eli doesn’t need my help, your a testament unto yourself.

As are you woh

 

[Waiting on him]

Romans chapter 6 talks about the wages of sin being death.
When we reckon ourselves dead to sin, then the wages of sin are annulled. The debt is paid,
Reckon means to count the cost in this context. It's the wages you earn for either sin or righteousness.
One pays you death, the other pays you life.

Hugs

Yeah but, these are all virtue signalers posting here, laying down and sacrificing themselves on their crosses. The crazy thing is they’re on these forums 24/7. You’d think with their perpetual crucifiction of them selves and Jesus they wouldn’t have the time?

 

[Waiting on him]

As are you woh

All you need do is read back over all the post on this thread, and it’ll become very clear who only talks about themselves. Teacher.

 

[ChristisGod]

All you need do is read back over all the post on this thread, and it’ll become very clear who only talks about themselves. Teacher.

Your prophet and yourself while criticizing everyone who disagrees with you .

 

[ChristisGod]

Yeah but, these are all virtue signalers posting here, laying down and sacrificing themselves on their crosses. The crazy thing is they’re on these forums 24/7. You’d think with their perpetual crucifiction of them selves and Jesus they wouldn’t have the time?

Says the one with over 10,000 posts . Pot calling kettle.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

? Why do you think "gospel" means good news? There is a reason why it is good news.

To me the gospel is good news because …I will give an example. There is a lady I know. She is vindictive, spiteful, manipulative, lies, and cheats. But I can see she is also scared (and I mean terrified) to death. She volunteers and always puts on the best show to where if you met her, you would most likely say “wow she is really nice”. I’ve seen things behind closed doors. I’m not saying this to be ugly but (Imo) she lives in fear but puts on a religious; better than others show. I can’t say whether she believes in Jesus. She does go to church more than I do. I can say that. But any “good news” gospel that tells her she can have her cake and eat it too…to me isn’t good news. Where is the freedom for her in Christ? Told the good news is she can have both: her own image and Christ. which do you think she will serve? Where is the good news in that?

But that is only one example. It is all around; including myself. (Imo) almost every cruelty I can think of stems out from preservation of self.

 

[Episkopos]

To me the gospel is good news because …I will give an example. There is a lady I know. She is vindictive, spiteful, manipulative, lies, and cheats. But I can see she is also scared (and I mean terrified) to death. She volunteers and always puts on the best show to where if you met her, you would most likely say “wow she is really nice”. I’ve seen things behind closed doors. I’m not saying this to be ugly but (Imo) she lives in fear but puts on a religious; better than others show. I can’t say whether she believes in Jesus. She does go to church more than I do. I can say that. But any “good news” gospel that tells her she can have her cake and eat it too…to me isn’t good news. Where is the freedom for her in Christ? Told the good news is she can have both: her own image and Christ. which do you think she will serve? Where is the good news in that?

But that is only one example. It is all around; including myself. (Imo) almost every cruelty I can think of stems out from preservation of self.

Many have opted for the Great Delusion that seduces carnal believers away from the truth in order to embrace what builds up the outer man. We can see plainly here how ....the elephant in the room...tries to displace any reference to the deeper walk...which the carnal man KNOWS is not for him/her. Rather than surrendering to God and His ways, these self-assured ones build deceit on deceit until anything pure, and true and uplifting has been made filthy. Many who remain true to the faith will flee from such displays...and I don't blame them. But my ministry is to transform that ugliness into beauty for the Lord. To turn the errant ones back to the Lord. To have them come out from the mud and walk a straight path based on humility and the fear of the Lord. But the outer man...when puffed up in the vanity of religion...dies very hard.

 

[Lizbeth]

To me the gospel is good news because …I will give an example. There is a lady I know. She is vindictive, spiteful, manipulative, lies, and cheats. But I can see she is also scared (and I mean terrified) to death. She volunteers and always puts on the best show to where if you met her, you would most likely say “wow she is really nice”. I’ve seen things behind closed doors. I’m not saying this to be ugly but (Imo) she lives in fear but puts on a religious; better than others show. I can’t say whether she believes in Jesus. She does go to church more than I do. I can say that. But any “good news” gospel that tells her she can have her cake and eat it too…to me isn’t good news. Where is the freedom for her in Christ? Told the good news is she can have both: her own image and Christ. which do you think she will serve? Where is the good news in that?

But that is only one example. It is all around; including myself. (Imo) almost every cruelty I can think of stems out from preservation of self.

The good news is that her sins would be forgiven if she were to come to Christ. And she would no longer be under the dominion of sin but would experience a change having received a new heart (His nature/spirit within). Whoever is telling anyone it's ok for a believer to continue walking in the sins of their old nature is teaching falsely.

 

[Episkopos]

Yes, and there is no mention of the part JESUS played in the new birth. The feeling I get is like something floating on air without a solid foundation. The first ten minutes sounds like New Age rather than Christianity and it makes me want to ask the speaker what he thinks the difference is between New Age and the gospel. There is an emphasis on something called "eternal consciousness" throughout the video as if that is the salient point of being born again, which makes the message man-centred, when it should be Christ-centred. The point of being born again is that our sins have been forgiven and we have been reconciled to the FATHER through the blood of CHRIST and have been born anew of HIM as new creatures, into HIS family as children of God, receiving the spirit of adoption! We have been awakened into an awareness of a PERSON whose name is Jesus the Christ! Any message on being born again needs to be rooted and grounded in HIM, one would think. Jesus is practically absent from the message, except a couple of almost peripheral mentions of Christ later on, instead of being at the centre of the message.

This is full of untruths and misrepresentation to what I am offering to help people understand the nature of the Christian walk. You have certainly earned you "wings" among the fowls of the air that seek out the dead here.

 

[Lizbeth]

Many have opted for the Great Delusion that seduces carnal believers away from the truth in order to embrace what builds up the outer man. We can see plainly here how ....the elephant in the room...tries to displace any reference to the deeper walk...which the carnal man KNOWS is not for him/her. Rather than surrendering to God and His ways, these self-assured ones build deceit on deceit until anything pure, and true and uplifting has been made filthy. Many who remain true to the faith will flee from such displays...and I don't blame them. But my ministry is to transform that ugliness into beauty for the Lord. To turn the errant ones back to the Lord. To have them come out from the mud and walk a straight path based on humility and the fear of the Lord. But the outer man...when puffed up in the vanity of religion...dies very hard.

Only the devil would call the gospel the great delusion. Making what is true and pure and uplifting into something filthy and false is what you are doing.

The dream about the mud people reminds me of Islam to be honest.

Do you do yoga, or engage in any new age or Buddhist practices?

 

[Ziggy]

Yeah but, these are all virtue signalers posting here, laying down and sacrificing themselves on their crosses. The crazy thing is they’re on these forums 24/7. You’d think with their perpetual crucifiction of them selves and Jesus they wouldn’t have the time?

I haven't read through the 94 pages. I only responded to the opening post question.
Hugs

 

[Episkopos]

The good news is that her sins would be forgiven if she were to come to Christ. And she would no longer be under the dominion of sin but would experience a change having received a new heart (His nature/spirit within). Whoever is telling anyone it's ok for a believer to continue walking in the sins of their old nature is teaching falsely.

What isn't OK is to have sinners in the flesh become religious sinners in the soul. The good news is not for the proud, disobedient, rebellious, puffed up, vain and spoiled. As such there is a great disappointment coming for those who have received mercy from God...but then rebelled against the cost of following Christ. Instead these rail, get offended and depart from the way of life to pursue a delusional salvation scheme that inspires the simple.

 

[Episkopos]

Only the devil would call the gospel the great delusion.

Actually that delusion comes from God Himself. And what you think the gospel is is not true.

2 Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

What a God we serve!

Making what is true and pure and uplifting into something filthy and false is what you are doing.

You are twisting everything that sounds beneficial to your ego. And the people loved it so.

The dream about the mud people reminds me of Islam to be honest.

Of course...or why not any other group you hate? The truth is that foreign to you.

Do you do yoga, or engage in any new age or Buddhist practices?

Do you have a pentagram in your basement that you burn candles to?

What people will say and do to avoid any encounter with God. It's mind-boggling!

 

[Lizbeth]

This is full of untruths and misrepresentation to what I am offering to help people understand the nature of the Christian walk. You have certainly earned you "wings" among the fowls of the air that seek out the dead here.

Well Epi, you will have to show me where/how JESUS was in any way lifted up in your message. What is this thing called "eternal consciousness"....shouldn't the point be that we have been awakened at the cost of Jesus' own life to an awareness and experience of Jesus and God Almighty? It's not about "us". Your message leaves me feeling empty. Exactly how I felt when I started to go down a new agey kind of path. Thankfully I realized Jesus wasn't there, it was leaving me empty so realized I had made a wrong turn down a rabbit hole.

 

[Episkopos]

Well Epi, you will have to show me where/how JESUS was in any way lifted up in your message.

You could have asked that rather than say things you know are untrue and garner support among the carnal. When a believer leaves the milk of the basic message of who Jesus is and what He came to do...then the ground becomes very unfamiliar. And that kind of unfamiliarity is very scary to a novice believer. What should be done is to seek the Lord about it.

And just because I don;t use religiously affirming messages to carnal believers doesn't mean that I am not leading people to Christ.

What is this thing called "eternal consciousness"...

That is something reserved for those who are ACTUALLY born from above. The bible calls this being "enlightened" ....but you would find that new agey....since you have no idea what anything beyond a temporal religious sphere looks like. I purposefully didn't use that terminology for the weakness of faith in the churches of today. One must stay away from anything spiritual to not offend the spoiled occupiers of the nursery support system.

The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,” ..

The light of God is not a philosophical light as you suppose....but an actual true light. You live in the realm of a dead religion.

.shouldn't the point be that we have been awakened at the cost of Jesus' own life to an awareness and experience of Jesus and God Almighty?

What awareness? A religious awareness? When I speak of that awareness as a consciousness that extends beyond a basic humanity....you freak out. Being trapped in a religious box and all.

It's not about "us". Your message leaves me feeling empty.

Good. You need to go to the cross and allow that other part of you to be exposed to the truth.....OUTSIDE the camp you have pitched your religious tent in.

Exactly how I felt when I started to go down a new agey kind of path. Thankfully I realized Jesus wasn't there, it was leaving me empty so realized I had made a wrong turn down a rabbit hole.

Your discernment leaves a lot to be desired. Your own encounter with false religion at the Toronto fiasco .....has informed you poorly as to what the genuine article is. Just because you left when the barking and clucking were coming out...doesn't mean that all that preceded it was from God. THAT is your new age gospel...that spoiled you seemingly forever from the love of the truth. You spoiled your own soul. Now you are a shell of a person that has as your ultimate purpose to be a "bible lady" warning others to not stray from the confines of a religious box that uplifts the self.

 

[Lizbeth]

Actually that delusion comes from God Himself. And what you think the gospel is is not true.

2 Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

What a God we serve!


You are twisting everything that sounds beneficial to your ego. And the people loved it so.

Of course...or why not any other group you hate? The truth is that foreign to you.


Do you have a pentagram in your basement that you burn candles to?

What people will say and do to avoid any encounter with God. It's mind-boggling!

I don't hate Muslims....I was just sharing my discernment of that dream. It didn't feel right. Did God give you any scripture to go along with it? Did you wait on Him to understand what it meant? When I have a dream or vision, the Lord generally gives me scripture to confirm it or show what it meant.

Please answer my question. Because that is what I seem to discern with you on your videos, the same thing I have discerned in meeting those who are either Buddhist or are into yoga. There are Christians who do yoga.