No More Death

[Earburner]

The word is plural, ages, not singular.

Yes, I agree.
I said:
"Eph. 2:7 is describing the ages/times of people who were to come, during the age of God's Grace in the world, ever since Pentecost."

 

[Earburner]

Why do you claim 2 Peter 3 is from the antichrist?

Why do you claim Revelation 20 is from the antichrist?

Calling God's Word into question and declaring it is from the antichrist is a dead give away that you yourself spout in the spirit of antichrist turning the truth of God into a fable.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

The Word of God as written is not Jewish fables, but you yourself clearly are changing what God's Word states and calling that a Jewish fable.

First of all, the Jewish concept: "one day is equal to a thousand years x seven days = 7000 years", is not biblical.
The religion of the nation of Israel is not of the spirit/mind of Christ, and therefore is of that spirit of antichrist.

 

[Earburner]

You claim you don't follow human theology, then you contradict yourself and spout human theology.

Do you not understand what first born means? It does not mean first resurrected. It literally means first born.

The scripture says that Jesus is "the firstborn from the dead".

Your quote:
"In Rev. 6:9-11, they would be among the symbolic 144,000 of Israel of faith, who are seen "under the altar", being then sealed with the Holy Spirit, after Christ's resurrection and ascension."

This is so made up and convoluted. There is nothing symbolic about 144k literal humans sealed with the seal of God. These 144k were literally sealed on the earth after the Second Coming. All the redeemed since Abel unto these 144k are symbolized as souls under the alter. That is the symbolic term of being covered by the shed blood of the Cross, and part of the Atonement Covenant, and named in the Lamb's book of life

All the people under the OC, who were of faith, were written in the "Book of Remembrance" before God. Malachi 3:16.
Though the Holy Spirit of God did speak and work through them, NONE had the Holy Spirit dwelling within them permanently.
Therefore, in the beginning days of Pentecost, those who were "remembered" by God, were not forgotten, and as a result of Jesus' shed blood, they also were given the Gift of the Holy Spirit, aka white robes.
The symbolic 144,000 were literally from the tribes of Israel, during the OC. They were in "remembrance" by God, but are now written in the Book of Life, waiting for the Glorious return of Jesus.

 

[Truth7t7]

we are the NEW Earth of God's dwelling place.

False, there will be a literal future New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, as Revelation 21:1-5 clearly explains

Your claim we are the "New Earth" is comical

 

[ewq1938]

Are we not the temple of the Living God, both individually and collectively?

Red herring fallacy. You claim we are the new Earth but that is not biblical which is the reason for the red herring.

 

[Earburner]

Now quote a verse that says Enoch and Elijah were not in the Spirit. Just don't assume and make up your own doctrine and slap it onto OT redeemed.

It's amazing how you and all base your conclusions on assumptions by your interpretations, when in reality I am not.
Quick question: before the shed blood of Christ on the cross, for the permanent removal of a person's sins, could Enoch and Elijah or anyone enter into the KoG/heaven?
Since your answer should be a definite "NO", knowing that the blood of animals cannot permanently forgive and remove sins from a person, why then do you believe that Enoch and Elijah were whisked off this earth, and straight up into God's Heaven?
Ans. You speculate and assume too much through the words describing their fate.
Gen. 5
[24] And Enoch walked with God:
and he was not; for God took him.
> Where was Enoch taken? Many assume it to be UP into God's Heaven.
Could it simply be that Enoch DIED, but no one knew where?

2 Kings 2
[11] And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
> Many assume that Elijah went up into God's Heaven by a whirlwind.
Or could it be that Eijah went up into the heaven that naturally causes whirlwinds?
Btw, are there really horses in heaven?
Note: ONLY Elisha was a witness to that event. What does that scripture say about "two or more witnesses"??

No!! Before the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus, NO ONE could be, or ever would be in God's Heaven, without the shed blood of Jesus Christ being applied to them.
God is Holy, and both Enoch and Elijah were sinful men because of their corruptible flesh.
They also could not have the permanency of God's Holy Spirit during their lifetimes, but their names were written in God's Book of "Remembrance", as shown being under the altar in Rev. 6:9-11.

 

[Earburner]

False, there will be a literal future New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, as Revelation 21:1-5 clearly explains

Your claim we are the "New Earth" is comical

Is it comical that God the Father sacrificed His only begotten Son to death, who knew no death (or sin), so that you, me and all who are of faith may have the God of all creation dwelling within us forever? Not with us on another earth, but rather within our earthen vessels.

We each ourselves ARE "the promise land", the very holy city whose builder and maker is God. We are Heavenly Jerusalem, the Bride, the Lamb's wife. Rev.21
Heb.11
[10] For he looked for a city which hath foundations [the 12 disciples], whose builder and maker is God.

Through the blood of Christ, and by the power of His resurrection, it is the earthen vessels of ourselves that we shall inherit, as did Jesus in His NEW Life of His Immortality, being the Firstborn among MANY brethren [to be resurrected into the likeness of His being].

Jesus, through the veil of His flesh, IS Himself the Father's HOUSE (God's indwelling of Jesus), and we are the many mansions that Jesus is preparing a place for, so that where He is, we may be also. John 14:3
To be in Jesus, is to be IN THE KoG, aka Heavenly Jerusalem, the holy city, who are the many mansions of God's dwelling.

 

[Earburner]

I realize that what I am saying here is a shock to the way most Christians think about God the Father, Jesus, ourselves and the KoG.
"Hear WHAT the Spirit saith to the churches":
"The KoG is within you."

If Jesus is within you, then the KoG has come unto you!
Is the KoG a place, person, or a thing?
I challenge you to think about it, but not with your mind, but rather WITH the Mind of Christ, who is within you:

"The abomination of desolation".
Jesus firmly said that God the Father was within him. "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father".

Whose Temple (House) of God was destroyed, and why was that act of desolation, an abomination unto God Himself?
Whose Temple (House) of God was Jesus talking about, that He was going to raise in three days?
Ans. The Temple of His mortal body, made from the dust of the earth, His "EARTHen vessel", in which dwelt God the Father Himself.

And after His resurrection into Immortality, he said: Luke 24
[39] Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see ME HAVE.
Mark 13
[14] But when YE shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let THEM that be IN Judaea flee to the mountains:

Many have a corrupted understanding about the 70 week prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27, especially verse 27. Fortunately though, Jesus did give us the clue for understanding all prophecy:
John 5
[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Hoping that all have a "Blessed" Easter in Him, who IS Himself "the First resurrection", by which we ARE partakers of the divine nature.

Earburner :)

 

[David in NJ]

Not sure how that negates Jesus on earth with His angels.


Are you saying the work Jesus and the angels do is supersonic in speed, and it is like humans are just frozen in time?

So the Trumpets and Thunders are over before people even realize they happened?

How do those locust in the 5th Trumpet torment people, if in real time, the torment is over in a blink of an eye?

the locust are given a specific amount of time

the gathering from one end of heaven to another will take super fast like Jesus said

 

[David in NJ]

Are we not the temple of the Living God, both individually and collectively?

Jesus didn't come here to die and be resurrected into NEW Life for the earth,
but rather for us, who are made of flesh from the dust of the earth, of which He who is Spirit, became also for our sake, as well as for the Father's.

Genesis

Genesis to Revelation - God's Desire

This is a brief and condensed LOOK n SEE Gen 2:17 - "you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.” #1 - God said that Adam would die the very same day he ate the forbidden fruit. Adam, in fact did not physically die...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Truth7t7]

We each ourselves ARE "the promise land", the very holy city whose builder and maker is God. We are Heavenly Jerusalem, the Bride, the Lamb's wife. Rev.21

Your claims are "False"

There will be a future literal, New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, a city that has foundations,, walls,, gates, and a street as seen below, something you deny

Revelation 21:10-27KJV
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Earburner]

Your claims are "False"

There will be a future literal, New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, a city that has foundations,, walls,, gates, and a street as seen below, something you deny

Your claims are derived from "human wisdom".
KJV Rev. 21:14 And the wall of the city**
had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

** 12. and had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Do you not see that the holy city, heavenly Jerusalem are PEOPLE??

 

[Earburner]

Genesis

Genesis to Revelation - God's Desire

This is a brief and condensed LOOK n SEE Gen 2:17 - "you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.” #1 - God said that Adam would die the very same day he ate the forbidden fruit. Adam, in fact did not physically die...

www.christianityboard.com

I posted my reply in the site you referenced above.
Earburner

 

[Timtofly]

NO!!! The first resurrection is spiritual NOT physical! You know this and deny this from the same lips.

No it is not.

The second birth is spiritual. You don't have any control over your spirit, nor your second birth any more than you have over your physical birth.

All one can do is submit to the Holy Spirit and you experience the second birth into God's family. It is not a resurrection out of spiritual death. It is submitting to the Holy Spirit.

Jesus says you have to be born again. Jesus did not say you have to be resurrected spiritually. Paul was using symbolism in declaring a spiritual resurrection. Besides you have to be born again, while physically alive. You don't wait for this "spiritual resurrection" you are claiming, after you are physically dead.

The first resurrection can only happen after one is physically dead, and it is a physical resurrection, just like your physical birth and death. The first resurrection is not the second birth which is spiritual.

The second birth is spiritual, and the second death is spiritually being separated from God in the LOF forever. There is no second resurrection, a spiritual return to a relationship with God.

The second birth is not even about you. The second birth is about the Holy Spirit working within you to conform your dead flesh to the will of God.

 

[Earburner]

In Rev 11 prophetic scripture, there are TWO WITNESSES being spoken of.

Yes, though you may not follow or agree with me on this, the two witnesses are John the Baptist and Jesus.

 

[Truth7t7]

Your claims are derived from "human wisdom".
KJV Rev. 21:14 And the wall of the city**
had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

** 12. and had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Do you not see that the holy city, heavenly Jerusalem are PEOPLE??

New Jerusalem As Seen In Revelation Chapter 21 is a literal city as explained, you apparently deny this future city New Jerusalem that is the tabernacle of God

Smells like hints of Preterism, in that Revelation Chapter 21 has been fulfilled in the Church, a false teaching found no place in scripture

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, though you may not follow or agree with me on this, the two witnesses are John the Baptist and Jesus.

The (Two Witnesses) will be literal prophets returned, that will die future deaths, and lay in a street in Jerusalem, my understanding they will
be Enoch/Elijah

Your eschatology has Revelation chapter 21 fulfilled In the church being the New Jerusalem, and Revelation chapter 11 being fulfilled in Jesus and John the Baptist

Your "Preterist" eschatology fails, the events are future unfulfilled

Direct Question: Do you believe in a "future", literal, visible, coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, or has that been fulfilled also?

 

[Timtofly]

All the works of the earth shall be utterly burned up, but the humans who do the works shall be spared? Life goes on when NOTHING is left to sustain life after all is burned up? Your doctrine appears to be from a book of your own creation!

The same time the day the Lord comes again, not only will there be nothing left of the earth that now is, nevertheless, according to His promise there will be new heavens and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness!

2 Peter 3:10-13 (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

The Day of the Lord is the whole thousand years, so yes, humans are left after the Second Coming. They are not all burned up. That is Scripture not something I made up.

You are the one claiming all is burned up. Are you changing your mind, and going against Scripture? Those people do live on a newly restored earth, after God cleanses the earth of the sinful works of mankind. It happened at the Flood of Noah's day. This time, more than 8 people survive.

I agree that nothing is left of human convenience. People survive devastation. Look at the last 2 world wars, and people bounced back. This time, God is preserving life to allow humans to keep choosing between Satan and God's will.

You keep rejecting the Scripture that states Jesus and his angels are on the earth. Not sure how the Second Coming can happen, years after Jesus and the angels have already been here.

You all make up your own Second Coming scenarios instead of reading God's Word, besides your pet Scripture.

 

[David in NJ]

I posted my reply in the site you referenced above.
Earburner

Thank You

 

[Earburner]

The (Two Witnesses) will be literal prophets returned, that will die future deaths, and lay in a street in Jerusalem, my understanding they will
be Enoch/Elijah

Your eschatology has Revelation chapter 21 fulfilled In the church being the New Jerusalem, and Revelation chapter 11 being fulfilled in Jesus and John the Baptist

Your "Preterist" eschatology fails, the events are future unfulfilled

Direct Question: Do you believe in a literal, future, visible, coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, or has that been fulfilled also?

Will your two prophets be born with the Holy Spirit at birth, as was John and Jesus? You know...."anointed"?

Of course I believe in a literal, future, visible, coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, but even more so.
He will be in flaming fire, taking vengeance on all the unsaved.
KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10. It will be a simultaneous event of redemption for the saints, and death and destruction for the unsaved wicked, all in the same day. Luke 17:28-30