No More Death

[Earburner]

There is nothing in the bible about there being no day or night in the eternity except in New Jerusalem where night doesn't exist because of the light there.

In all of prophetic NT scripture, there are only TWO "mothers" being spoken of.
One is fallen, and the other is spiritual, which is to be exhalted in due time. 1 Peter 5:6.

Gal.4
[21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
[22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was [born] by promise.
[24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one [first covenant] from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with HER children.

[26] But Jerusalem which is ABOVE [the second covenant] is free, which is the mother of us all [who are of faith in "the Promise", who is Christ].
[27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
[28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
[29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

[30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
[31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free [which is Heavenly Jerusalem above].

John 18
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

 

[rwb]

Your claim is "False" a new creation will be revealed, in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, as Revelation 21:1-5 clearly explains

Your claim "we are already the new earth" is "Laughable"!

Jesus Is The Lord

Before spewing more venom look carefully at the question mark you seem not to have noticed. I have never said that "we are already the new earth"! Your lack of carefully reading is that which is truly Laughable!

Why would God resurrect the faithful from the graves to physical immortality and incorruptible flesh to inherit the new earth, if we are already the new earth?

 

[Earburner]

Before spewing more venom look carefully at the question mark you seem not to have noticed. I have never said that "we are already the new earth"! Your lack of carefully reading is that which is truly Laughable!

Why would God resurrect the faithful from the graves to physical immortality and incorruptible flesh to inherit the new earth, if we are already the new earth?

From God the Father's perspective and view, we literally are DEAD to Him because of sin, and therefore have been "the walking dead" in His eyes. But we who are in Christ are now become only partakers of the divine nature of Christ, but as yet we don't know what we shall fully become, except to be resurrected into the likeness of Christ and His Immortality.
Peter and Paul reflected on that, and said:
2 Peter 1
[13] Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
2 Cor. 5
[4] For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Rom. 7
[24] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [tabernacle].
Therefore:
2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels [tabernacles], that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
We are only WAITING for the fulness of our resurrection into the likeness of Christ's IMMORTALITY,.....the NEW tabernacle of God, "WHEREIN DWELLETH [His] righteousness".

Edit: From my post #454-
In our temporary mortal earthen vessels, God is temporarily/partially "tabernacling" within us by His Holy Spirit, through the veil of Jesus (being that of HIS flesh), whereby we are for now, only PARTakers of His divine nature. As a result, God Himself, as well as we are looking forward to the Day when we also will be changed/resurrected into the likeness of the immortality of Jesus.

Though at the moment, we are only partakers of His divine nature, quite literally, in the fulness of our resurrection, we are the NEW Earth of God's dwelling place.

 

[rwb]

From God the Father's perspective and view, we literally are DEAD to Him because of sin, and therefore have been "the walking dead" in His eyes. But we who are in Christ are now become only partakers of the divine nature of Christ, but as yet we don't know what we shall fully become, except to be resurrected into the likeness of Christ and His Immortality.
Peter and Paul reflected on that, and said:
2 Peter 1
[13] Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
2 Cor. 5
[4] For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Rom. 7
[24] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [tabernacle].
Therefore:
2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
We are only WAITING for the fulness of our resurrection into the likeness of Christ's IMMORTALITY,.....the NEW tabernacle of God, "WHEREIN DWELLETH [His] righteousness".

I don't believe the Bible teaches the Father views those who are in Christ according to His grace through the gift of faith as DEAD to Him because of sin. We WERE the walking dead before we heard the Gospel, and by grace through faith in the power of the Word and Spirit we believed! We who were dead have been made spiritually alive through Him. When we have His Spirit in us, we ARE spiritually alive, and have His promise that we (spirit) shall NEVER die. Our body of mortal, corruptible, natural flesh is destined to die because of sin, and death, the consequence of sin. That's why our body too must be resurrected to immortality and incorruptibility and reunited with our eternal spirits that come back with Christ when He comes again. Christ would not say the life we receive through the Spirit in us is eternal if our spirits, like our body of mortal flesh was also destined to die with our bodies.

Through His Spirit in our spirit, we are the likeness of Christ spiritually. And what shall be complete at His coming we don't yet know, but we know that when He comes again, we shall be made physically immortal and incorruptible as He is. Then we will once more be "very good" new complete living souls (immortal body & eternal spirit) fit for life on the new earth with Christ forever!

 

[Earburner]

I don't believe the Bible teaches the Father views those who are in Christ according to His grace through the gift of faith as DEAD to Him because of sin. We WERE the walking dead before we heard the Gospel, and by grace through faith in the power of the Word and Spirit we believed!

Where did I ever say anything contrary?
By the indwelling of us by His Holy Spirit, we have been quickened/made alive to Him by His Spirit, and not by anything that we can do.

 

[Earburner]

I don't believe the Bible teaches the Father views those who are in Christ according to His grace through the gift of faith as DEAD to Him because of sin. We WERE the walking dead before we heard the Gospel, and by grace through faith in the power of the Word and Spirit we believed! We who were dead have been made spiritually alive through Him. When we have His Spirit in us, we ARE spiritually alive, and have His promise that we (spirit) shall NEVER die. Our body of mortal, corruptible, natural flesh is destined to die because of sin and death, the consequence of sin. That's why our body too must be resurrected to immortality and incorruptibility and reunited with our eternal spirits that come back with Christ when He comes again. Christ would not say the life we receive through the Spirit in us is eternal if our spirits, like our body of mortal flesh was also destined to die with our bodies.

Through His Spirit in our spirit, we are the likeness of Christ spiritually. And what shall be complete at His coming we don't yet know, but we know that when He comes again, we shall be made physically immortal and incorruptible as He is. Then we will once more be "very good" new complete living souls (immortal body & eternal spirit) fit for life on the new earth with Christ forever!

In case you forgot, in the Garden, A&E were innocent before they ate of the forbidden tree. Prior to that, they were neither evil or good.
They were just innocent, and had not yet eaten of the Tree of Life or the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Therefore, they did not have eternal life or eternal existence of any kind.

 

[rwb]

In case you forgot, in the Garden, A&E were innocent before they ate of the forbidden tree. Prior to that, they were neither evil or good.
They were just innocent, and had not yet eaten of the Tree of Life or the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Therefore, they did not have eternal life or eternal existence of any kind.

This is true. But remember also that they, unlike we mortals coming after them were created from the dust of the earth, and their life breath (spirit) came directly from God, supernaturally. With the Spirit (breath of life) in them they could have lived forever if they had not disobeyed God. But, having a choice (1) obey, live forever because the tree of life would not have been blocked (2) disobey, choose death rather than submit to another. When they chose to disobey God and heed the voice of the serpent (Satan) the Spirit departed from them, making them natural, mortal, corruptible man. That's what died the day they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the spirit in them (mind, heart, will, emotions, life) became like that of the one whom they chose to follow. Their offspring, born naturally would be born like them, dead in trespasses and sins. For that reason every human MUST be born again of the Spirit to have eternal life through Christ.

 

[Earburner]

This is true. But remember also that they, unlike we mortals coming after them were created from the dust of the earth, and their life breath (spirit) came directly from God, supernaturally. With the Spirit (breath of life) in them they could have lived forever if they had not disobeyed God.

I disagree. A&E would have lived in innocence, until they had eaten from either one of the two trees. Just the fact alone that the Tree of Life was there, having the ability to give eternal life, tells me that they didn't have eternal life of any kind.

The "breath of life" is nothing more than oxygenated air. The writer Moses, did not have the knowledge of the gaseous elements of the atmosphere at that time. But he did know that there was something in the act of breathing air, that enabled people and animals to stay alive.

It is religion that has put the spin on it, with their false belief that a part of God's Spirit is deposited into every living thing that breathes air. Yes, God did breathe into the nostrils of Adam, but it was only oxygenated air, and nothing else. No one is born with an eternal soul. They became an autonomous living soul by breathing air.

There is a reason why God said that "the life of the flesh is IN the blood". Lev. 17:11.Blood needs oxygen, and so does every other living cell within our bodies.
Our blood is that river of life for our flesh.
No oxygen, the body begins to shut down rather quickly and then dies.
I think that we all really do know this:), in spite of what religion teaches about an eternal soul.
In my opinion, I believe that The Tree of Life was/is Jesus.

 

[Truth7t7]

Before spewing more venom look carefully at the question mark you seem not to have noticed. I have never said that "we are already the new earth"! Your lack of carefully reading is that which is truly Laughable!

Why would God resurrect the faithful from the graves to physical immortality and incorruptible flesh to inherit the new earth, if we are already the new earth?

My runaway apology

Please explain "we are already the new earth"?

 

[rwb]

I disagree. A&E would have lived in innocence, until they had eaten from either one of the two trees. Just the fact alone that the Tree of Life was there, having the ability to give eternal life, tells me that they didn't have eternal life of any kind.

Yes, they could have lived forever if they had not lost access to the tree of life.

The "breath of life" is nothing more than oxygenated air. The writer Moses, did not have the knowledge of the gaseous elements of the atmosphere at that time. But he did know that there was something in the act of breathing air, that enabled people and animals to stay alive.
It is religion that has put the spin on it, with their false belief that a part of God's Spirit is deposited into every living thing that breathes air. Yes, God did breathe into the nostrils of Adam, but it was only oxygenated air, and nothing else. No one is born with an eternal soul. They became a living soul by breathing air.

I don't believe a part of God's Spirit was breathed into them. I believe what Scripture affirms. God from earth/clay formed man from dust, and breathed into them the breath of life, that is divine inspiration, intellect, soul, spirit.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

God breathed - nâphach - defined as puff from the Creator, became the breath of life - nᵉshâmâh chay - alive with appetite, raw, fresh, strong, divine inspiration, intellect, inspiration, soul, spirit. It was more than oxygenated air that gave life to mankind when God created them male and female. While oxygenated air might be able to revive human life, it cannot create human life with intellect and appetite a living soul and spirit.

 

[rwb]

My runaway apology

Please explain "we are already the new earth"?

I never said we were, nor do I believe we are.

 

[ewq1938]

In all of prophetic NT scripture, there are only TWO "mothers" being spoken of.

In Rev 11 prophetic scripture, there are TWO WITNESSES being spoken of.

 

[ewq1938]

we are the NEW Earth of God's dwelling place.

That isn't biblical.

 

[Earburner]

T

Yes, they could have lived forever if they had not loss access to the tree of life.


I don't believe a part of God's Spirit was breathed into them. I believe what Scripture affirms. God from earth/clay formed man from dust, and breathed into them the breath of life, that is divine inspiration, intellect, soul, spirit.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

God breathed - nâphach - defined as puff from the Creator, became the breath of life - nᵉshâmâh chay - alive with appetite, raw, fresh, strong, divine inspiration, intellect, inspiration, soul, spirit. It was more than oxygenated air that gave life to mankind when God created them male and female. While oxygenated air might be able to revive human life, it cannot create human life with intellect and appetite a living soul and spirit.

Thank you for your thoughts of understanding and definition of how our brain and brain cells work for human intelligence, of which through the "seeds" of A&E, are passed down to each one of us, in the "gene pool" of being human.

But equally so, in all other air breathing forms of life, having also "the breath of life", didn't God do the same for them, for their levels of intelligence, for autonomous mortal existence?
Gen. 7
[21] And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
[22] All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

So my question is, did God breathe "the breath of life" into the nostrils of all that he created, or can we conclude that the words: "the breath of life" is just a simple spiritual way of describing the action of breathing oxygenated air by all animal life forms, called "souls"?
The Hebrew word used for "soul" in Genesis 2:7, is "nephesh" ,which means "animal life", by which we are also called. Being that of "a living soul".

 

[rwb]

T

Thank you for your thoughts of understanding and definition of how our brain and brain cells work for human intelligence, of which through the "seeds" of A&E, are passed down to each one of us, in the "gene pool" of being human.

But equally so, in all other air breathing forms of life, having also "the breath of life", didn't God do the same for them, for their levels of intelligence, for autonomous mortal existence?
Gen. 7
[21] And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
[22] All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

So my question is, did God breathe "the breath of life" into the nostrils of all that he created, or can we conclude that the words: "the breath of life" is just a simple spiritual way of describing the action of breathing oxygenated air by all animal life forms, called "souls"?
The Hebrew word used for "soul" in Genesis 2:7, is "nephesh" ,which means "animal life", by which we are also called. Being that of "a living soul".

Every living, breathing creature upon the earth has the breath of life from God, we are all living souls. Death of every living, breathing creature upon the earth is the result of sin that entered into creature through man. If sin had not entered into God's creation there would be no death. The whole of creation was subjected to vanity (depravity) through the fall of man, and groans and travails while waiting to be delivered from bondage of death, when all things are made new as they were at the beginning.

Romans 8:20-22 (KJV) For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

God breathed - nâphach - defined as puff from the Creator, became the breath of life - nᵉshâmâh chay - alive with appetite, raw, fresh, strong, divine inspiration, intellect, inspiration, soul, spirit. It was more than oxygenated air that gave life to mankind when God created them male and female. While oxygenated air might be able to revive human life, it cannot create human life with intellect and appetite a living soul and spirit.

נֶפֶשׁ nephesh, neh'-fesh - properly, a breathing creature, i.e. animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental):—any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, × dead(-ly), desire, × (dis-) contented, × fish, ghost, greedy, he, heart(-y), (hath, × jeopardy of) life (× in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, slay, soul, tablet, they, thing, (× she) will, × would have it.


feminine noun

 

[Timtofly]

I know what the religions (church-ianity) teach about Lazarus, as well as Enoch and Elijah. Unfortunately it is all based upon "the wisdom of men" 1 Cor. 2:5.
Only Jesus is the Firstborn from the dead, being Himself the very FIRST resurrection into immortality.

As to the death of Lazarus, if he was resurrected into immortality, then the words applied to Jesus, as being the FIRSTborn from the dead, would be a lie. Therefore my conclusion is that Lazarus was only restored back to his mortal life.
The Old Covenant was still applicable to Lazarus.

The New Covenant through Jesus was not yet in force, until the blood of Christ was shed, and His resurrection into the New Life of His immortality..
Church-ianity has fabricated and hatched a false understanding about Lazarus' death of Him being raised to new and immortal life.

One thing is certain, Lazarus was a believer. Jesus called Lazarus to be a "friend" unto Himself, therefore I am sure that after Jesus' resurrection, Lazarus received the Gift of God's Holy Spirit in the beginning days of Pentecost, and is sealed unto the day of redemption, upon Jesus' Glorious return.

As for Enoch and Elijah, who were "no more", and/or "taken", the same applies to them, concerning the shed blood of Christ, and His resurrection, being the very first resurrection into NEW Life. They did not and could not enter into the KoG, until the coming of the "Promised One", who is Jesus. Rom. 8:9 applies to all mortal men.

If anything took place for them at that time, they were written in God's "book of remembrance" (Malachi 3:16), and were in waiting of the Promise to come.
In Rev. 6:9-11, they would be among the symbolic 144,000 of Israel of faith, who are seen "under the altar", being then sealed with the Holy Spirit, after Christ's resurrection and ascension.

You claim you don't follow human theology, then you contradict yourself and spout human theology.

Do you not understand what first born means? It does not mean first resurrected. It literally means first born.

Do you go around pointing out all the newly born babies in the maternity section of the hospital claiming look at all these resurrections? Jesus was the first born human into God's family called the son of God and the son of man. 100 percent God, and 100 percent man. Has nothing to do with Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection. There is nothing inherent in the word prototokos meaning resurrection.

Jesus was the Resurrection and the Life in John 11. Jesus did not have to wait until Sunday morning after the resurrection, to be the Resurrection and the Life.

Perhaps you need to listen to Paul's advice in 1 Corinthians 2 instead of human theology.

God's Word declared Lazarus was resurrected from the the grave.

"Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world."

Jesus said Lazarus would experience the resurrection. Did Jesus then lie by ressurecting Lazarus too early?

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"

Jesus called Lazarus out of the grave.

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life."

Did Lazarus hear Jesus calling?

"And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go."

Is this what is taught? If not, your made up human reasoning will not cut it. You go on to explain how God is limited and cannot do thus and so, until we humans declare it is possible for God to do thus and so.

Why not just quote Scripture, and accept how it is written?

Romans 8:9

"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

Now quote a verse that says Enoch and Elijah were not in the Spirit. Just don't assume and make up your own doctrine and slap it onto OT redeemed.

Your quote:

"In Rev. 6:9-11, they would be among the symbolic 144,000 of Israel of faith, who are seen "under the altar", being then sealed with the Holy Spirit, after Christ's resurrection and ascension."

This is so made up and convoluted. There is nothing symbolic about 144k literal humans sealed with the seal of God. These 144k were literally sealed on the earth after the Second Coming. All the redeemed since Abel unto these 144k are symbolized as souls under the alter. That is the symbolic term of being covered by the shed blood of the Cross, and part of the Atonement Covenant, and named in the Lamb's book of life.

Revelation 6 and 7 are not about the first century coming of the Messiah. These chapters cover the opening of the Lamb's book of life. The 7 Seals are about the literal actual Second Coming of the Prince/King of Israel.

Abel is a soul under the alter. Noah was a soul under the alter. Job was a soul under the alter. Moses was a soul under the alter. There have been billions of souls referenced by this symbolism over the last 6,000 years.

They are described here:

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb."

All these are those souls under the alter from Abel to the Second Coming. They all did not die at the same time. They have been enjoying a physical life in Paradise since the Cross. This scene has been Paradise since the Cross. This is the body of Christ, the church.

You totally skip over the actual church in Revelation 7, and go straight to the 144k and then symbolize a literal event to represent the church you failed to mention, covered in the next few verses.

The Israel of faith were those in Abraham's bosom, who because of the Cross, could now physically enter Paradise. The 144k are the firstfruits and disciples of Jesus at the Second Coming. They are called and sealed, just like the original 12 disciples in the Gospels. They are with Jesus always until the Millennium reign of Christ is accomplished and creation is handed back to God.

 

[Timtofly]

We all, who live and believe in Christ have God's word. Unfortunately, many have been teaching and preaching it through the wisdom of men and not by the power of the mind/spirit of Christ. 1 Cor. 2:5. Rom. 8:9.

The Jewish concept, of how "a thousand years" is to be accounted for, is definitely through the wisdom of men, and therefore is not of God, but rather is "of that spirit of antichrist".
1 Thes. 5
[3] For when they [of the world] shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

We, who are Born Again, are to heed the words of the Holy Spirit through Paul:
1 Cor. 3[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Why do you claim 2 Peter 3 is from the antichrist?

Why do you claim Revelation 20 is from the antichrist?

Calling God's Word into question and declaring it is from the antichrist is a dead give away that you yourself spout in the spirit of antichrist turning the truth of God into a fable.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

The Word of God as written is not Jewish fables, but you yourself clearly are changing what God's Word states and calling that a Jewish fable.

 

[Timtofly]

Eph. 2:7 is describing the ages/times of people who were to come, during the age of God's Grace in the world, ever since Pentecost.
God the Father has set no time limit on His age of Grace, except that He measures the length of it through our repentance.
When people stop repenting towards Him, through faith in Jesus, then shall He send Jesus for all His saints.

The word is plural, ages, not singular.

 

[Timtofly]

The Second Coming occurs in an Instant = as lighting flashes across the sky

Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. And they will say to you, ‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day.

Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.
And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near.
For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.​

Not sure how that negates Jesus on earth with His angels.


Are you saying the work Jesus and the angels do is supersonic in speed, and it is like humans are just frozen in time?

So the Trumpets and Thunders are over before people even realize they happened?

How do those locust in the 5th Trumpet torment people, if in real time, the torment is over in a blink of an eye?

 

[Earburner]

That isn't biblical.

Are we not the temple of the Living God, both individually and collectively?

Jesus didn't come here to die and be resurrected into NEW Life for the earth,
but rather for us, who are made of flesh from the dust of the earth, of which He who is Spirit, became also for our sake, as well as for the Father's.