I think the crucifix is a Satanic, twisted, perverted, counterfeit, trophy of the cross

[Philip James]

There is nothing inherently holy about the crucifix. The part that the Bible places emphasis on is what Christ achieved by being nailed to the actual stake that He died on. The problem with traditional Christianity is that relic worship has become big business to the point where the actual importance of Christ's mission takes a back seat.
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The crucifix has become to traditional Christianity what the covenant ark used to be to the Israelites: nothing more than a symbolic good luck charm. God allowed the Israelites in 1 Sam. 4 to get stomped by the Philistines in battle to drive home the point that they ought to be looking to Him and not an object for faith, and the same point is lost on a lot of "Christians" today.

It is situations like this that lead me to completely understand why God outlawed the use of worship aides in His law. Relic worship reduces the truth of who God is and what He is doing to being nothing more than a hazy concept. Ppl like to use objects to symbolize God because they can't see Him, but it completely defeats the whole purpose of having faith if they need something like a crucifix to remind them of what Christ accomplished. That is what the Passover is for, something Christ actually told His followers to observe.

wow, just wow... what a bunch of bollocks..

 

[Jim B]

Right, the cross came before Christ. It was worse then any form of torture. It meant death and to look at it with someone on it or even just their blood on it was a horrifying sight.
I don't wear a crucifix never have. People wear one to identify themselves as believers, it's fine. But there is nothing Satanic about a crucifix only if they distort it and wear it upside down. The act of murder is Satanic ... an unjust killing. But Jesus sacrificed His life willingly. He paid the penalty for sins - so justice was served. Actually the resurrection was more important but there is no symbol we could wear for that ... an empty tomb?

Catholics depict Jesus as still hanging on the cross -- dead. It is obscene! The empty cross isn't much better, but at least it is vacant.

 

[Jim B]

Most of Christianity, aside from Catholics, use a plain cross, not a crucifix.

Which isn't much better. See my post immediately above.

 

[Patrick1966]

Catholics depict Jesus as still hanging on the cross -- dead.

That's a good point.

 

[Patrick1966]

Which isn't much better. See my post immediately above.

Well, Paul referenced "the cross" so I don't believe it is the abomination that is the crucifix.

 

[BreadOfLife]

We know the cross is holy but the crucifix looks more like a trophy that Satan would hang in his office. Satan has used God's children to mock God by wearing and displaying the crucifix. As a Catholic for 50 years, I was one of them. As an altar boy I sometimes carried the crucifix to the altar with a priest in tow.

To my Catholic brothers and sisters, it's not my intention to provoke or offend. I hope that we can agree to disagree and still be brothers and sisters in Christ.

After reading many of your posts - I thinki it's safe to say that IF you were a Catholic - you were certainly an ignorant one.

I've been a Catholic my entire life - and even as a child, I was taught about the significance of the Crucifix.
Paul wrote:

1 Cor. 1:22-23
For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, BUT WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles

Unfortunately, YOU fall into the latter category . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Catholics depict Jesus as still hanging on the cross -- dead. It is obscene! The empty cross isn't much better, but at least it is vacant.

That's because it is a stumbling block for YOU .

1 Cor. 1:22-23
For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, BUT WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles

 

[Patrick1966]

After reading many of your posts - I thinki it's safe to say that IF you were a Catholic - you were certainly an ignorant one.

Of course I was ignorant. I used to believe Catholic doctrine that calls on us to "serve Mary". Now I know better and I longer ascribe to that false, worldly, institution.

 

[Illuminator]

There is nothing inherently holy about the crucifix. The part that the Bible places emphasis on is what Christ achieved by being nailed to the actual stake that He died on. The problem with traditional Christianity is that relic worship has become big business to the point where the actual importance of Christ's mission takes a back seat.
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The crucifix has become to traditional Christianity what the covenant ark used to be to the Israelites: nothing more than a symbolic good luck charm. God allowed the Israelites in 1 Sam. 4 to get stomped by the Philistines in battle to drive home the point that they ought to be looking to Him and not an object for faith, and the same point is lost on a lot of "Christians" today.

It is situations like this that lead me to completely understand why God outlawed the use of worship aides in His law. Relic worship reduces the truth of who God is and what He is doing to being nothing more than a hazy concept. Ppl like to use objects to symbolize God because they can't see Him, but it completely defeats the whole purpose of having faith if they need something like a crucifix to remind them of what Christ accomplished. That is what the Passover is for, something Christ actually told His followers to observe.

Is that your response to post #47???
The Ark of the Covenant was a good luck charm???

 

[Patrick1966]

1 Cor. 1:22-23
For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, BUT WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles

See, this is a solid response. I don't interpret this verse to mean that we should display the crucifix and we know that the use of them occurred CENTURIES after the apostles. But reasonable people can disagree on whether or not the crucifix is Godly or not. I too have noticed how you frequently called others "ignorant". @Rita @Nancy @lforrest I'm sharing this with management NOT because I want them to moderate or censor you but only for their cognizance.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The book Hitler's Pope proves beyond a shadow of a doubt how the Catholic church helped Hitler become chancellor of Germany. The greatest irony about this book is that John Cornwell set out to disprove the allegations of the church colluding with Hitler. But instead of finding information that would prove the church's innocence, Cornwell actually found damning information that connected the church with Hitler.

Archbishop Pacelli endorsed the Nationalist-Nazi-Catholic coalition that helped Hitler become chancellor. Pacelli also convinced the German Catholic Center Party and other members of the German Parliament to vote in support of the Enabling Act that allowed Hitler to rule like a king. This was before Pacelli, Pope Pius XII, and other figures within the Catholic church came together to construct the concordat that eventually married the church to the Third Reich just 4 months later.

The fact that the Catholic church became the Third Reich's de facto propaganda mouthpiece in the religious realm inherently proves its ties to Hitler.

This is all provable and documented history.

Not ONLY did Pope Pius XII save more Jews from Hitler’s death camps than Iskar Schindler – the chief rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolle, converted to Catholicism because if him and took his name “Eugenio” (Pacelli) as his Baptismal name.

Do your homework . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

See, this is a solid response. I don't interpret this verse to mean that we should display the crucifix and we know that the use of them occurred CENTURIES after the apostles. But reasonable people can disagree on whether or not the crucifix is Godly or not. I too have noticed how you frequently called others "ignorant". @Rita @Nancy @lforrest I'm sharing this with management NOT because I want them to moderate or censor you but only for their cognizance.

In only use the term "ignorant" where it FITS.
You have a bad habit of misrepresenting ALL things Catholic - so I will expose you when you do.

If you were a Catholic for 50 years and didn't learn about the significance of the Crucifix - then you WERE ignorant Catholic.

 

[Illuminator]

Of course I was ignorant. I used to believe Catholic doctrine that calls on us to "serve Mary". Now I know better and I longer ascribe to that false, worldly, institution.

 

[Patrick1966]

You have a bad habit of misrepresenting ALL things Catholic

I simply expressed my PERSONAL opinion about the crucifix, something invented CENTURIES after the apostles were dead.

I read a LOT of opinions on this forum but I don't call them "ignorant" as you do on a regular basis.

 

[Patrick1966]

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Do you agree that we're supposed to serve Mary by reciting the rosary?

 

[Keiw]

Who is "they"?

trinity religions that allowed the young men to stand on both sides of the rev war, the civil war, ww1, ww2-Millions upon millions slaughtered.

 

[Keiw]

The Catholic Church had NOTHING to do with Hitler achieving power. You have been misinformed my brother.

There are pictures of the Pope and upper clergy shaking Hitlers hand in the holocaust museum. They most assuredly supported him.

 

[Patrick1966]

trinity religions that allowed the young men to stand on both sides of the rev war, the civil war, ww1, ww2-Millions upon millions slaughtered.

Is it immoral for Christians to kill an army of foreigners that come to their nation with the intent to enslave them?

 

[Keiw]

Italy was fascist.

Not much difference. All mortal govts are allowed by God, but not one does his will. That is why this will occur-Dan 2:44

 

[Patrick1966]

There are pictures of the Pope and upper clergy shaking Hitlers hand in the holocaust museum. They most assuredly supported him.

Let's see them. Do they look like this?

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