How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Episkopos]

Those who know the Lord by a true and living faith have a real connection to God. He speaks to us, we know His voice, and He feeds and leads His flock (those who are following Him). But it's comments like this that confuse me and have made me wonder if you are talking about those who are not born again as opposed to a mere mental assent and nominal form of Christianity like Catholicism is. When I (and others here) speak of believers, we're talking about those who have come to faith in Christ and experienced genuine conversion and experience a living relationship and connection with the Lord day by day.


Now here is precisely why believing in imputed righteousness is NOT a recipe for smug self assurance on anyone's part and is not necessary for a doctrine of holiness to deny.... ....because the bible gives us plenty of warnings like this....parable of the talents ("even what he has will be taken away"), parable of the ten virgins with five cast out, and Jesus returning as a thief in the night, lukewarm being spewed out, churches having their lamps removed, etc. I believe where its says, "Though the number of the Israelites be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant will be saved".........serves as a warning to the church as well. The bride needs to be preparing for Christ's return by adorning herself with garments of holiness, (or I think at least be truly and wholeheartedly on that path and counting the cost to follow Jesus, should anyone happen to die before actually completing the process).

We are building on a sure foundation though.......and even are told not to cast our confidence away.....we need to have faith that God is able to make good on His promises like Abraham had. Seems as though there is always a healthy tension between fear of the Lord and trusting Him, and we need both at different times/seasons and circumstances along the way.

You take promises for those who undertake the higher walk..and steal that away for those who walk in the futility of their own minds. The confidence we are to hold on to is for those who are such from the inner man...not the outer religious man. You are taking...stealing actually... what is meant for the inner man to feed your religious certainty.

All your blanket suppositions...like ALL believers...or ALL born agains....etc...shows you have no discernment whatsoever as to what is happening in the race of faith before your very eyes. And that is due to your own blindness...and your own culpability in the heresies we see here.

it would be like a Jew in the OT saying...ALL Jews are saved.

There is only ever a remnant...a remnant of Jews and a remnant of Gentiles. Instead of defending religious flesh...you should think about working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[Episkopos]

You are quoting Isaiah 61 in the OT when the gospel was a hidden mystery in the OT.

Try quoting the N.T.

And are you aware that the N.T. interprets the OT when it is quoted in the N.T. ?

You failed once again.

The mystery of the gospel is still a mystery to you. You hate the word of God...that's why I posted what Jesus said...which you also hate.

You have always failed.

 

[ChristisGod]

You take promises for those who undertake the higher walk..and steal that away for those who walk in the futility of their own minds. The confidence we are to hold on to is for those who are such from the inner man...not the outer religious man. You are taking...stealing actually... what is meant for the inner man to feed your religious certainty.

All your blanket suppositions...like ALL believers...or ALL born agains....etc...shows you have no discernment whatsoever as to what is happening in the race of faith before your very eyes. And that is due to your own blindness...and your own culpability in the heresies we see here.

it would be like a Jew in the OT saying...ALL Jews are saved.

There is only ever a remnant...a remnant of Jews and a remnant of Gentiles. Instead of defending religious flesh...you should think about working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Notice readers there is no scripture to support his claims just religious/pious lingo that sounds " spiritual " with the so-called " higher walk" that is unbiblical.

 

[Episkopos]

Those who are looking to be built up in the religious outer man have not long to search. The false ministers and false prophets abound. There are even telephone ministries that you can call...that will tell you how blessed you are, how much God loves you...God only wants peace for you ...you will one day be a great minister....etc. Whatever puffs up the flesh.

My ministry is to wake people up before the judgment comes..to save people who think they are something they are not. I challenge...even provoke people ....to humility and the fear of the Lord. I destroy vain arguments in order to build and plant with righteousness and truth.

And some will listen. That puts the religious outer man network into a snit.

 

[ChristisGod]

The mystery of the gospel is still a mystery to you. You hate the word of God...that's why I posted what Jesus said...which you also hate.

You have always failed.

No you conflated His healings/miracles with the message. His miracles were to confirm His message was from God. The message is not the healings, the message is the gospel of salvation from sin. The gospel is about His life, death, burial and resurrection. He told the disciples many times and they did not understand what He meant just the same as you do not understand what He meant as it takes the spirit of God to understand the gospel. The disciples did not understand the gospel while Jesus walked with them and not until after His resurrection and Pentecost did they understand the gospel. You see I have Scripture to defend my beliefs whereas you have none.

The disciples did not understand the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus which is the gospel. They did not believe it until they physically saw Jesus Resurrected from the dead.

Matthew 16:8-11
Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? 9 Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 10 Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread?


Mark 7:18
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

Mark 8:31-33
He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.

33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

Luke 9:43-45
While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, 44 “Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men.” 45 But they did not understand what this meant. It was hidden from them, so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.

Jesus predicts His death a 3rd time

Luke 18:31-34
Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. 32 He will be delivered over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him and spit on him; 33 they will flog him and kill him. On the third day he will rise again.”
34 The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.


Luke 24:25-26
He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?

John 13
Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand…. I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.”

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I'm glad you have mentioned this-as I notice a pattern with you-

Anxiety Disorders. ...
Depression. ...
Bipolar Disorder. ...
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) ...
Schizophrenia. ...
Eating Disorders. ...
Disruptive behaviour and dissocial disorders. ...
Neurodevelopmental disorders.

--or maybe worse?

If you would really take a look at it. These things are born out of the anxiety, depression, fear of loss of the outer man persuaded; if the inner man is seen or manifest He won’t be enough in God. So all that is added. Many disorders that the world passes on down with the belief that if the outward man fails (which he will)…if you would look at it having enough money, having enough position, having enough religious status…our image or our theology or our opinions or our ideas we continue to put on, piling on layer after layer of burden to cover and hide what is within from coming to Light. To me it is the inner man which is loved by God, God after this man…but the world says don’t show this one for he is weak when it is the opposite. What is kept Hidden held in unrighteousness, imprisoned in darkness; He is stronger than all the falsehoods that lie to cover Him up to prevent His being seen. The reason I say this is because I struggle with anxiety and fear and dread and all sort of ticks of obsessive compulsions …God has helped with coming to terms with being ordinary or what is common to us all. Disorders that come out of fear of loss. A desire to control. What He has made clear to me is it is okay to be seen as ordinary …sounds like a dirty word “ordinary” …no no no I am not “ordinary” but I am extraordinary because of my perfect theology (until it fails), because of which church I belong to (until it disappoints), because of what job I keep (until it is lost) or because of the marriage I have (until it is lost) or because of what men pat me on the back and say (until they no longer pat my back); delusional outward stroking of the outward man …making him (delusional that he is strong) stronger so I have even more fear and anxiety over not measuring up and hanging desperately on to him. To me God says He loves and is after the inner man …not because of the hoops that man jumps through for God, not because of anything that man does to perform…not to where God puts the weight or burden on the inner man but to increase Him in the promise…the extraordinary in Him.

This is not where all those disorders come from you listed…but the opposite of clenching to NOT let go of the outer man. The inner man of God gives peace, love, joy, freedom, …REST. It is the outer man …that pushes more work, more anxiety, more dread, more fear, more disorders and illnesses. We can say anything we like but the moment a hole appears in our theology, in our doctrines, in our religions and groups of who we think alike with, the money the external fails…we will get a close up look at what we truly put our faith in.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's backwards. If a person does not sin..do they still need to repent?

They would still have to pay for their committed sins and future sins..

Repenting of a particular sin will not cause God to forgive you. Thats what the cross was for.

Now we are to confess our sins, to God and our brothers and sisters (namely our fellow disciple) so we do not keep that sin hidden and be healed.

You are not getting both sides of the equation...you have one truth cancelling out the other.

No. My gospel agrees with everything in the word.

That's a scheme invented by Luther...whom you follow.

I do not follow Luther my friend. Get off that highhorse..

The gift of life in Christ doesn't cancel out the penalty of sin.

Do you think the law of flight cancels the law of gravity? or does one law OVERCOME the other by being a greater law?

The gift of life can not make a person who is dead because of the penalty of sin alive. Unless that wage or penalty is removed.

Thats imputed righteousness.

What kind of Judge to you think God is?? He will make you alive while guilty???

 

[Johann]

"Believe INTO Christ.." Is that the same thing as "grow up INTO the Head in all things, which is Christ...."?

But I have to ask, is this what a holy man sounds like? I don't think holiness involves disdaining and belittling the flock of Christ the way that is being done here, but would have a care and concern and a love for it.

1722 1877 ἐν en Spatially: in, inside, at,
among, …

εἰς/ἐς
into. ἐπί against. κατά down, along, according to. μετά after, behind. παρά to, throughout, against.

Epi is nit-picking Lizbeth

|V-PPA-GMP|believing εἰς eis|G1519|Prep|in ἐμέ, eme|G1473|PPro-A1S|Me, συμφέρει
and whoever may cause to stumble one of those little ones who are believing in/eis me

μη ταρασσεσθω υμων η καρδια πιστευετε εις τον θεον και εις εμε πιστευετε
'Let not your heart be troubled, believe in God, also in me believe;

ος δ αν σκανδαλιση ενα των μικρων τουτων των πιστευοντων εις εμε
and whoever may cause to stumble one of those little ones who are believing in me


will accompany: ἐν en|G1722|Prep|In τῷ tō|G3588|Art-DNS|the ὀνόματί onomati
And these signs shall follow them that believe

εἰς,
a preposition governing the accusative, and denoting entrance into, or direction and limit: into, to, toward, for, among.

Ev/in
with the dative of a person, in the person, nature, soul, thought of anyone: thus ἐν τῷ Θεῷ κέκρυπται ἡ ζωή ὑμῶν, it lies hidden as it were in the bosom of God until it shall come forth to view, Col_3:3, cf. Eph_3:9;

ἐν αὐτῷ, i. e. in the person of Christ, κατοικεῖ πᾶν τό πλήρωμαa etc., Col_1:19; Col_2:3

Col 1:19 because in him it did please all the fullness to tabernacle, -

Col 2:3 in whom are all the treasures of the wisdom and the knowledge hid

-but I have noticed eis is used for believing in/into Christ Jesus

I sincerely hope you understand the "Geek" but believing IN/INTO Christ is actually the same.
Shalom
Johann

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I'm glad you have mentioned this-as I notice a pattern with you-

Anxiety Disorders. ...
Depression. ...
Bipolar Disorder. ...
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) ...
Schizophrenia. ...
Eating Disorders. ...
Disruptive behaviour and dissocial disorders. ...
Neurodevelopmental disorders.

--or maybe worse?

If you would really take a look at it. These things are born out of the anxiety, depression, fear of loss of the outer man persuaded; if the inner man is seen or manifest He won’t be enough in God. So all that is added. Many disorders that the world passes on down with the belief that if the outward man fails (which he will)…if you would look at it having enough money, having enough position, having enough religious status…our image or our theology or our opinions or our ideas we continue to put on, piling on layer after layer of burden to cover and hide what is within from coming to Light. To me it is the inner man which is loved by God, God after this man…but the world says don’t show this one for he is weak when it is the opposite. What is kept Hidden held in unrighteousness, imprisoned in darkness; He is stronger than all the falsehoods that lie to cover Him up to prevent His being seen. The reason I say this is because I struggle with anxiety and fear and dread and all sort of ticks of obsessive compulsions …God has helped with coming to terms with being ordinary or what is common to us all. Disorders that come out of fear of loss. A desire to control. What He has made clear to me is it is okay to be seen as ordinary …sounds like a dirty word “ordinary” …no no no I am not “ordinary” but I am extraordinary because of my perfect theology (until it fails), because of which church I belong to (until it disappoints), because of what job I keep (until it is lost) or because of the marriage I have (until it is lost) or because of what men pat me on the back and say (until they no longer pat my back); delusional outward stroking of the outward man …making him (delusional that he is strong) stronger so I have even more fear and anxiety over not measuring up and hanging desperately on to him. To me God says He loves and is after the inner man …not because of the hoops that man jumps through for God, not because of anything that man does to perform…not to where God puts the weight or burden on the inner man but to increase Him in the promise…the extraordinary in Him.

This is not where all those disorders come from you listed…but the opposite of clenching to NOT let go of the outer man. The inner man of God gives peace, love, joy, freedom, …REST. It is the outer man …that pushes more work, more anxiety, more dread, more fear, more disorders and illnesses. We can say anything we like but the moment a hole appears in our theology, in our doctrines, in our religions and groups of who we think alike with, the money, possession, the external ego fails…we will get a close up look at what we truly put our faith in which is our covering; hiding what we are ashamed of; instead of letting it be healed.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you would really take a look at it. These things are born out of the anxiety, depression, fear of loss of the outer man persuaded; if the inner man is seen or manifest He won’t be enough in God. So all that is added. Many disorders that the world passes on down with the belief that if the outward man fails (which he will)…if you would look at it having enough money, having enough position, having enough religious status…our image or our theology or our opinions or our ideas we continue to put on, piling on layer after layer of burden to cover and hide what is within from coming to Light. To me it is the inner man which is loved by God, God after this man…but the world says don’t show this one for he is weak when it is the opposite. What is kept Hidden held in unrighteousness, imprisoned in darkness; He is stronger than all the falsehoods that lie to cover Him up to prevent His being seen. The reason I say this is because I struggle with anxiety and fear and dread and all sort of ticks of obsessive compulsions …God has helped with coming to terms with being ordinary or what is common to us all. Disorders that come out of fear of loss. A desire to control. What He has made clear to me is it is okay to be seen as ordinary …sounds like a dirty word “ordinary” …no no no I am not “ordinary” but I am extraordinary because of my perfect theology (until it fails), because of which church I belong to (until it disappoints), because of what job I keep (until it is lost) or because of the marriage I have (until it is lost) or because of what men pat me on the back and say (until they no longer pat my back); delusional outward stroking of the outward man …making him (delusional that he is strong) stronger so I have even more fear and anxiety over not measuring up and hanging desperately on to him. To me God says He loves and is after the inner man …not because of the hoops that man jumps through for God, not because of anything that man does to perform…not to where God puts the weight or burden on the inner man but to increase Him in the promise…the extraordinary in Him.

This is not where all those disorders come from you listed…but the opposite of clenching to NOT let go of the outer man. The inner man of God gives peace, love, joy, freedom, …REST. It is the outer man …that pushes more work, more anxiety, more dread, more fear, more disorders and illnesses. We can say anything we like but the moment a hole appears in our theology, in our doctrines, in our religions and groups of who we think alike with, the money, possession, the external ego fails…we will get a close up look at what we truly put our faith in which is our covering; hiding what we are ashamed of; instead of letting it be healed.

The inner man can only be healed if it is regenerated. or born again. It is God who is in us that heals us from the need of the outer man or flesh and takes away its power over us.

If the inner man is still dead because of sin. It can not help the outer man.. the flesh will still have full control

 

[Johann]

If you would really take a look at it. These things are born out of the anxiety, depression, fear of loss of the outer man persuaded; if the inner man is seen or manifest He won’t be enough in God. So all that is added. Many disorders that the world passes on down with the belief that if the outward man fails (which he will)…if you would look at it having enough money, having enough position, having enough religious status…our image or our theology or our opinions or our ideas we continue to put on, piling on layer after layer of burden to cover and hide what is within from coming to Light. To me it is the inner man which is loved by God, God after this man…but the world says don’t show this one for he is weak when it is the opposite. What is kept Hidden held in unrighteousness, imprisoned in darkness; He is stronger than all the falsehoods that lie to cover Him up to prevent His being seen. The reason I say this is because I struggle with anxiety and fear and dread and all sort of ticks of obsessive compulsions …God has helped with coming to terms with being ordinary or what is common to us all. Disorders that come out of fear of loss. A desire to control. What He has made clear to me is it is okay to be seen as ordinary …sounds like a dirty word “ordinary” …no no no I am not “ordinary” but I am extraordinary because of my perfect theology (until it fails), because of which church I belong to (until it disappoints), because of what job I keep (until it is lost) or because of the marriage I have (until it is lost) or because of what men pat me on the back and say (until they no longer pat my back); delusional outward stroking of the outward man …making him (delusional that he is strong) stronger so I have even more fear and anxiety over not measuring up and hanging desperately on to him. To me God says He loves and is after the inner man …not because of the hoops that man jumps through for God, not because of anything that man does to perform…not to where God puts the weight or burden on the inner man but to increase Him in the promise…the extraordinary in Him.

This is not where all those disorders come from you listed…but the opposite of clenching to NOT let go of the outer man. The inner man of God gives peace, love, joy, freedom, …REST. It is the outer man …that pushes more work, more anxiety, more dread, more fear, more disorders and illnesses. We can say anything we like but the moment a hole appears in our theology, in our doctrines, in our religions and groups of who we think alike with, the money the external fails…we will get a close up look at what we truly put our faith in.

This is a beautiful post from you and I "hear" you Victoryin Jesus-and I concur with most of what you are saying.

Rom_7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

2Co_4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

For I delight in (sunēdomai gar). Old verb, here alone in N.T., with associative instrumental case, “I rejoice with the law of God,” my real self “after the inward man” (kata ton esō anthrōpon) of the conscience as opposed to “the outward man” (2Co_4:16; Eph_3:16).

Eph 3:15 of whom the whole family in the heavens and on earth is named,
Eph 3:16 that He may give to you, according to the riches of His glory, with might to be strengthened through His Spirit, in regard to the inner man,
Eph 3:17 that the Christ may dwell through the faith in your hearts, in love having been rooted and founded,
Eph 3:18 that ye may be in strength to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height,
Eph 3:19 to know also the love of the Christ that is exceeding the knowledge, that ye may be filled—to all the fulness of God;
Eph 3:20 and to Him who is able above all things to do exceeding abundantly what we ask or think, according to the power that is working in us,
Eph 3:21 to Him is the glory in the assembly in Christ Jesus, to all the generations of the age of the ages. Amen.

The Ephesian portion of scriptures is from YHVH-to you

Stay strong and rooted in Christ Jesus.
Johann

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The inner man can only be healed if it is regenerated. or born again. It is God who is in us that heals us from the need of the outer man or flesh and takes away its power over us.

If the inner man is still dead because of sin. It can not help the outer man.. the flesh will still have full control

I knew you would take it wrong. Never meant the outer man. You can say what ever you want, assume what you want. But in my life I’ve seen it in others and in myself… you can see it when sitting face to face with someone when a tender spot is exposed and an immediate desire and self preservation to cover it, what is tender up. The truth hard to hear.

 

[Episkopos]

No you conflated His healings/miracles with the message. His miracles were to confirm His message was from God. The message is not the healings, the message is the gospel of salvation from sin. The gospel is about His life, death, burial and resurrection.

Not so. You are not understanding the gospel. Jesus proclaimed the gospel before His death and resurrection..saying "the kingdom of God is at hand"

What does that mean? He came to proclaim liberty to the captives.

That means that through Christ we will be given access into the eternal kingdom realm. From there we have fellowship with God in the light as He is in the light.

Now those who love their lives unto death only want that kingdom after they die. That is a religion of death that MANY believe is the true gospel.

But there are those who have faith to enter into the kingdom realm NOW....who love NOT their lives unto death.

We NOW have access into the eternal kingdom realm. Through Christ...through abiding IN Him.

We are to seek first to enter into the kingdom realm...and from there we are covered by God's own righteousness...under the shadow of His wings.

Most have no idea what that means. And they still claim to be teachers!

 

[Lizbeth]

You take promises for those who undertake the higher walk..and steal that away for those who walk in the futility of their own minds. The confidence we are to hold on to is for those who are such from the inner man...not the outer religious man. You are taking...stealing actually... what is meant for the inner man to feed your religious certainty.

All your blanket suppositions...like ALL believers...or ALL born agains....etc...shows you have no discernment whatsoever as to what is happening in the race of faith before your very eyes. And that is due to your own blindness...and your own culpability in the heresies we see here.

it would be like a Jew in the OT saying...ALL Jews are saved.

There is only ever a remnant...a remnant of Jews and a remnant of Gentiles. Instead of defending religious flesh...you should think about working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

I don't defend religious flesh.

But I have a question or two for you Epi.... I'm wondering whether you have looked into the testimonies and teachings of others who speak of a second blessing? And if so, how does your understanding and teaching compare or differ from theirs?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I knew you would take it wrong. Never meant the outer man. You can say what ever you want, assume what you want. But in my life I’ve seen it in others and in myself… you can see it when sitting face to face with someone when a tender spot is exposed and an immediate desire and self preservation to cover it, what is tender up. The truth hard to hear.

take what wrong? Can you explain?

Why do you think I am out to attack you?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not so. You are not understanding the gospel. Jesus proclaimed the gospel before His death and resurrection..saying "the kingdom of God is at hand"

What does that mean? He came to proclaim liberty to the captives.

That means that through Christ we will be given access into the eternal kingdom realm. From there we have fellowship with God in the light as He is in the light.

Now those who love their lives unto death only want that kingdom after they die. That is a religion of death that MANY believe is the true gospel.

But there are those who have faith to enter into the kingdom realm NOW....who love NOT their lives unto death.

We NOW have access into the eternal kingdom realm. Through Christ...through abiding IN Him.

We are to seek first to enter into the kingdom realm...and from there we are covered by God's own righteousness...under the shadow of His wings.

Most have no idea what that means. And they still claim to be teachers!

If your not born again, You will have no access to the kingdom of God.

Thats what Jesus told Nicodemus.

He also told him how to be born again.

Let listen to jesus. and not make up our own gospel.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

take what wrong? Can you explain?

Why do you think I am out to attack you?

I don’t think you are out to attack me. It is just every time I share something the worse seems to be assumed.

 

[Episkopos]

I don't defend religious flesh.

But I have a question or two for you Epi.... I'm wondering whether you have looked into the testimonies and teachings of others who speak of a second blessing? And if so, how does your understanding and teaching compare or differ from theirs?

We have different terminology perhaps...since those testimonies usually date back over 100 years or so.

But I agree with those who testify to the "second blessing." Although that's not my terminology.
In those days...holiness revival days...people would "tarry at the altar" until they received the blessing.

I came to the Lord during a revival...but not before any man-made altar. I was chosen by God beyond what I fully understood or even wanted....at least until I could compare what I thought was important with what actually IS important. So I come from a very carnal mindset. God took me through that into having the mind of Christ. That's why when I see that same carnal mindset here...I call it out.


As we draw closer to the end...and the church gets more and more carnal...I see more revelation coming to help the people of God navigate through all the errors...and the great delusion that has overthrown the faith of so many "born-again" types.

People are impressed with other people. I have learned to have no confidence in the flesh...mine first...but also that of others.

God has given me much that I need to pass on to my brethren. I know the brethren by their love and their godly attitude. I know the weeds by theirs. I treat each according to its kind.

For instance, VIJ in the above posts is a courageous sister who lives from her inner man. Can you see that?

 

[Lizbeth]

We have different terminology perhaps...since those testimonies usually date back over 100 years or so.

But I agree with those who testify to the "second blessing." Although that's not my terminology.
In those days...holiness revival days...people would "tarry at the altar" until they received the blessing.

I came to the Lord during a revival...but not before any man-made altar. I was chosen by God beyond what I fully understood or even wanted....at least until I could compare what I thought was important with what actually IS important. So I come from a very carnal mindset. God took me through that into having the mind of Christ. That's why when I see that same carnal mindset here...I call it out.


As we draw closer to the end...and the church gets more and more carnal...I see more revelation coming to help the people of God navigate through all the errors...and the great delusion that has overthrown the faith of so many "born-again" types.

People are impressed with other people. I have learned to have no confidence in the flesh...mine first...but also that of others.

God has given me much that I need to pass on to my brethren. I know the brethren by their love and their godly attitude. I know the weeds by theirs. I treat each according to its kind.

I'm so glad "second blessing" was brought up on the Holiness thread, because my brain was forgetting about that. Do those who testify of a second blessing, agree with what you teach regarding imputed righteousness?

 

[ChristisGod]

If your not born again, You will have no access to the kingdom of God.

Thats what Jesus told Nicodemus.

He also told him how to be born again.

Let listen to jesus. and not make up our own gospel.

Amen he bypasses the new birth and the entry into the kingdom via the gospel message which he cannot explain or better yet denies in 1 Corinthians 15:1-18, Romans 10:8-17, John 1:12-13, 20:31 and 1 Peter 1:22-15.