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As the Scripture says, the inheritance is reserved in heaven for us, and if we endure unto the end, we will receive it by resurrection from the dead.Look at the passage again,
1 Peter 1:3-5
(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
(4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
(5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
It's plainly stated.
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No, your not to be persuaded by it.You've just given the same doctrine with different words is all. I'm not fooled by that.
Are you unaware that the anointed Christians have to live through the great tribulation as well sir? They are the elect of Mat 24:22. Like you said they meet him in the air upon his coming, his coming is what ends the tribulation and begins the war Gilligan.No doubt, it would be wonderful to live on earth during the Lord's reign, where the King's justice is praise for them that do well, and swift execution to the wicked.
However, to hope to be left alive on earth at His coming and not be resurrected to meet Him in the air, means having to live through His plagues, not be found with the armies waring against Him, nor be judged as an unneighborly goat.
Only then will the sheep left on earth enter into His Millennium reign. But that still includes believing in Him as Lord and God.
I just wonder if your JW created christ heresy, would still reject Him as Lord and God, even after seeing Him in the air, and wailing because of it.
I may have asked you this before. What do you make of this?Being saved in this life is not a reward for works, but being resurrected with inheritance of God, is only by reward of works.
Yes. The great tribulation of warfare against the saints, which has been ongoing since the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and began with Jesus Christ in the flesh.Are you unaware that the anointed Christians have to live through the great tribulation as well sir?
Begins the plagues, concluded by the war.They are the elect of Mat 24:22. Like you said they meet him in the air upon his coming, his coming is what ends the tribulation and begins the war Gilligan.
The Lord and God Jesus Christ. The Word and Creator at the beginning of God's Creation.May I ask if you know who the faithful and true witness is of Rev 3:14?
Salvation without works is unjustified. the reward of inheritance at the resurrection, is by reward for works of faith, not by grace.I may have asked you this before. What do you make of this?
There is a reward, but those with nothing to show are saved too.
Do you say their salvation includes no inheritance of the kingdom of God?
A reward for ministry is not the reward of inheritance. Everyone experiences errors of hay and stubble in ministry, but not everyone is doing works of unrighteousness and condemnation with the unrighteous.1 Corinthians 3:12-15 NIV
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire,
and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives,
the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—
even though only as one escaping through the flames.
Okay. Interesting view. Thanks.Salvation without works is unjustified. the reward of inheritance at the resurrection, is by reward for works of faith, not by grace.
Grace and faith end at the grave. All that remains is judgment with reward of everlasting life or shame.
A reward for ministry is not the reward of inheritance. Everyone experiences errors of hay and stubble in ministry, but not everyone is doing works of unrighteousness and condemnation with the unrighteous.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,...
That's true for being saved, not for inheriting the promises in the resurrection.Okay. Interesting view. Thanks.
What do you make of this?
The faith, not the works, of the ungodly is "credited as righteousness."
Romans 4:4-5 NIV
Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly,
their faith is credited as righteousness.
Doesn't everyone have enough works for that?That's true for being saved, not for inheriting the promises in the resurrection.
First, it's the doctrine of faith alone and not by reward, that is refuted. At least when it comes to being resurrected unto everlasting life, and rewarded with the inheritance of the kingdom of God.Doesn't everyone have enough works for that?
How are such things measured?
Salvation by faith alone is refuted? Not by a long shot.First, it's the doctrine of faith alone and not by reward, that is refuted. At least when it comes to being resurrected unto everlasting life, and rewarded with the inheritance of the kingdom of God.
I was assuming QUALITY works. Meaning "works" that God does THROUGH us.Secondly, having enough works is not the point. It's not about quantity, but quality.
My Mom is 94 years old and losing her mental faculties. Is she damned after a life of service to God?It's also about duration unto the end, and continuing in good works.
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Should I inform my Mom of her eternal destiny?We can do all the good works possible, but if we turn back to sin, then all those works are forgotten, and there is no more reward of inheritance for them.
Death bed conversions rock!Our Father does not look past our sinning today, in order to try and remember our good deeds yesterday. In the end, what we are doing at the end, is what is rewarded in the resurrection with life or shame.
Faith? Who needs it? I want the reward!And so, for those that have the faith of Jesus to believe unto righteousness and do it, by eschewing evil, and loving only the good, they shall receive the reward of eternal inheritance. Peter says we can ensure it by adding those things necessary to our faith, so that we shall never fall.
Works religion. "Save yourself, on one else will."We are only rewarded for doing so, not by faith alone and just thinking about it.
Yes. The great tribulation of warfare against the saints, which has been ongoing since the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and began with Jesus Christ in the flesh.
Not the great plagues of the Lord's wrath from the air, after the resurrection of the saints.
Begins the plagues, concluded by the war.
The Lord and God Jesus Christ. The Word and Creator at the beginning of God's Creation.
Not your's of course, but mine certainly.
The tribulation is the result of man choosing to be his own god sir. Yes Christians are persecuted, but even before the Messiah came, we were persecuted by surrounding nations. satan is warring against the saints, and eventually it will be an all out attack, which spurns the return of Jesus.Yes. The great tribulation of warfare against the saints, which has been ongoing since the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and began with Jesus Christ in the flesh.
We believe Rev 20:6 has already happened sir.Not the great plagues of the Lord's wrath from the air, after the resurrection of the saints.
We agree that it is Jesus, but you misread the verse. Do you believe Jesus is the one spoken about in Col 1:15 as well Gilligan?The Lord and God Jesus Christ. The Word and Creator at the beginning of God's Creation.
Not your's of course, but mine certainly.
I thought I was talking to a sincere person.St. SteVen said:
Doesn't everyone have enough works for that?
How are such things measured?
Salvation by faith alone is refuted? Not by a long shot.
What am I saying? I don't even think faith (in this lifetime) is needed for salvation.
Salvation is based on the finished work of Christ on our behalf.
I was assuming QUALITY works. Meaning "works" that God does THROUGH us.
How many is enough? If you had one good work, would the reward be the kingdom of God in heaven?
And if one good work wasn't enough, eternal damnation?
My Mom is 94 years old and losing her mental faculties. Is she damned after a life of service to God?
She is obviously "fainting", and might qualify for "if we faint not."
Should I inform my Mom of her eternal destiny?
Death bed conversions rock!
Faith? Who needs it? I want the reward!
Works religion. "Save yourself, on one else will."
True. Tribulation and wrath of man upon the righteous began with Cain slaying Abel.The tribulation is the result of man choosing to be his own god sir. Yes Christians are persecuted, but even before the Messiah came, we were persecuted by surrounding nations. satan is warring against the saints, and eventually it will be an all out attack, which spurns the return of Jesus.
I don't bother arguing with spirit-only stuff anymore. There's no sense in trying to change people's imaginations.We believe Rev 20:6 has already happened sir.
Nor do I argue with invented christs.We agree that it is Jesus, but you misread the verse. Do you believe Jesus is the one spoken about in Col 1:15 as well Gilligan?
Great Ginger for me, thanks.I thought I was talking to a sincere person.
What does the term Christ mean to you Gilligan?True. Tribulation and wrath of man upon the righteous began with Cain slaying Abel.
Jesus prophesies the last tribulation upon the saints on earth, followed by God's greatest tribulation upon the unbelievers, just before His return.
I don't bother arguing with spirit-only stuff anymore. There's no sense in trying to change people's imaginations.
Nor do I argue with invented christs.
Imagination and delusion are what they are. People just have them because they want them. It is what it is, and there's no sense in arguing with it.
If I want to believe in Celtic fairy sprites twinkling in the night, why would anyone argue they are just fireflies?
But of course my soul doesn't depend upon fairy sprites, like wanting to believe in a created christ of my own choosing.
JWs live their own decent, productive, holiness lives, and if any of them do make it through the plagues of God, and are not part of the armies gathered for war against the Lamb in the air, then they may well be judged as sheep and not goats.
That is if they are neighborly to others, rather than only their own people.
For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
The problem is that cult groups tend to only make a show of neighborliness in order to proselytize. It's not from a sincere heart. Jesus judges the spirit and heart of our deeds first.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.What does the term Christ mean to you Gilligan?
Thomas was an apostle that worshiped the God Jesus worshiped and served sir. Most versions put an exclamation point after God, as he was literally shocked to know that it truly was Jesus resurrected. Put yourself in his place it would be quite a shock. How many times in your life have you exclaimed my god? Believe me if I heard you say it, I would not go around declaring the why you said it as God.And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
There is only one true Christ and God: Jesus Christ.
Every other christ is false.
The quoted verse is clear.Thomas was an apostle that worshiped the God Jesus worshiped and served sir. Most versions put an exclamation point after God, as he was literally shocked to know that it truly was Jesus resurrected. Put yourself in his place it would be quite a shock. How many times in your life have you exclaimed my god? Believe me if I heard you say it, I would not go around declaring the why you said it as God.
So let me ask you sir, If Jesus is God how do you account for his lies at Mk 10:40 and 13:32