Having eternal life now vs. living eternally

[Gilligan]

also, ive not stated that being saved is the reward..... i posted the verse that says the reward is the inheritance, and then i explained the KOG, and also The Resurrection.

also, ive not stated that being saved is the reward....

Behold said:
"reward" = "The Gift of Salvation".

So, you retract saying the reward is the gift of salvation. Good for you.

. i posted the verse that says the reward is the inheritance, and then i explained the KOG, and also The Resurrection.

This is true. Inheriting the kingdom of God is only for the righteous in the resurrection of the dead.

It is the promised reward for them that do His word, and are not hearers only.

The Born again are the reward that was gained by the Cross of Christ.......
The Born again are Christ's Inheritance..... He purchased the Born again with His Blood.

True. Sons and people of God are the inheritance and purchased possession for the Lord, both body and spirit.

Sons of God do not inherit the Father's kingdom until their resurrection, as reward for doing our Father's will on earth unto the end.

Also....

“In him we have obtained an inheritance”

Are you saying you have already inherited the Father's everlasting kingdom?

That is not what these words of Scripture are saying. There's nothing about having inherited anything, other than a promised hope.

In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will.

This is the predestinated inheritance for all saints in the resurrection of the dead.

A son obtaining an inheritance at birth, has obtained a predestined inheritance only.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

Until our death and resurrection of the just, that predestined inheritance is reserved for us in heaven, while we remain alive on earth.

Like a son on earth, we have some growing and working of the Father's will to do first, in order to receive the reward of inheritance.

With men, being firstborn may be the only means of inheritance, which is therefore a free gift, and not by reward. The fact that the Father's inheritance is by reward, shows it is only inherited once doing the Father's will unto the end.

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

In the meantime, we have the earnest of the inheritance in the Holy Spirit, for power and help to do His will. It's not once saved by grace, that we receive the reward, but only by once doing the word unto the end.

Once we are saved by grace, we have obtained a predestined inheritance reserved in heaven for us, but only once we have done the Father's will unto the end of this life, do we inherit His kingdom by reward in the resurrection. Which is the redemption of the purchased possession of God.

Are you saying you have already inherited the Father's everlasting kingdom, while still in flesh and blood on earth?

And "OBTAINED" the inheritance is by being "One with God"......already = born again...."seated in Heavenly places". "in Christ"

Are you saying you have already inherited the Father's kingdom in heaven, while still on earth?

 

[Behold]

The rewarded inheritance of the everlasting kingdom of Christ, is only by the resurrection of the dead.

You made that verse up.
Its your invention.

So, let me dial that in.....

"Christ in you, the Hope of Glory".
The born again are already there...>"seated in heavenly places".

But, there is this.

""""until the redemption of the purchased possession"""
"""" Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance"""

So, there is a reward, that is the pre-destined inheritance, that seems to be what you are trying to understand.

So, what is that pre-destined resurrection inheritance?

its this..

To be "conformed into the image of Christ".. as well as receive the New body.

So, ALL of this, is a mystery, because its all "in Christ", so, its all connected to being already "one with God" and having The Resurrection who is "Christ in you, the Hope of Glory".

 

[Gilligan]

When in the reality of God, dead is dead, and alive is alive--and no in between.

This is a vague doctrinal answer only.

There is either a death of the body, or changing to immortality while alive, in between now having eternal life of the Spirit on earth, and inheriting everlasting life with immortal body.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

I'll try once more, have you already inherited the kingdom of God, while still in flesh and blood on earth?

I have not.

 

[Gilligan]

You made that verse up.
Its your invention.

It's doctrine of Scripture.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

No man inherits the kingdom of God, while still in mortal natural bodies.

And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

The reward is at the resurrection of the righteous.

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

We have the earnest of our inheritance of the Spirit, but we do not inherit until resurrection of the body.

By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Abraham did not receive the promised inheritance of faith in God, while alive on earth. No man has, nor will any believer, until the redemption of the body from the grave.

So, let me dial that in.....

"Christ in you, the Hope of Glory".
The born again are already there...>"seated in heavenly places".

Are you in heaven now, having already inherited the kingdom of God?

But, there is this.

""""until the redemption of the purchased possession"""

Which is the resurrection of the dead.

"""" Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance"""

Since it is by reward, then is your salvation now recieved as an inheritance by reward?

So, there is a reward, that is the pre-destined inheritance, that seems to be what you are trying to understand.

True. Not inherited yet, only promised according to predestined will of God.

So, what is that pre-destined resurrection inheritance?

its this..

To be "conformed into the image of Christ".. as well as receive the New body.

That is the predestined will of God in this life, to be conformed to His Son's image. It is not the kingdom of God inherited at the redemption of the body, as reward for conforming to His image on earth.

having The Resurrection who is "Christ in you, the Hope of Glory".

So, you are already resurrected? Are you already in the resurrection?

In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.

For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

 

[Behold]

Behold said:
"reward" = "The Gift of Salvation".

So, you retract saying the reward is the gift of salvation. Good for you.

What i posted explained that the Born again are Jesus's reward. The born again are Christ's Inheritance that He purchased with His own Blood.
Jesus is the "Gift of Salvation", and the born again are His Reward for going to the Cross.
The born again are the Spiritual Fruit that is gained by the Death of Jesus on the Cross for the last 2000 yrs.

This is true. Inheriting the kingdom of God is only for the righteous in the resurrection of the dead.

The Born again, are "translated from Darkness ... To Light".....already. So, the Born again exist already "in Christ" "one with God", which is The Kingdom of God.

It is the promised reward for them that do His word, and are not hearers only.

Jesus said that a disciple does His word.
But a Child of God, is born again.
You can be a doer of the word, and not be born again.

Sons of God do not inherit the Father's kingdom until their resurrection, as reward for doing our Father's will on earth unto the end.

The KOG is not a land mass just north of Saturn and just east of Pluto.
The KOG is a SPIRITUAL Kingdom, that exists as Jesus explained it....>"The KOG is within you". and the proof you have it is to already be "seated in Heavenly Places". "in Christ" = born again.

Are you saying you have already inherited the Father's everlasting kingdom?

By being BORN AGAIN into it, "in Christ". "translated from darkness .... to LIGHT">

Jesus is the "Light of the World"......and that is the KOG in the world....or as Jesus said..."The KOG is among you", and He's talking about Himself.
So, when you have Jesus in you....who is the KOG "among you" then you are IN the KOG by being "IN Christ".

That is not what these words of Scripture are saying. There's nothing about having inherited anything, other than a promised hope.

"Predestined to be conformed into the Image of Christ" is promised inheritance......a part of it. There is also the Bema Seat Rewards and other special Crowns that will be given in Heaven.

In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will.

That is God working all things......not you doing it.

A son obtaining an inheritance at birth, has obtained a predestined inheritance only.

Being born again is the "earnest", or the downpayment for the rest that is promised.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

"Predestined to be conformed into the Image of Christ" is promised inheritance......a part of it. There is also the Bema Seat Rewards and other special Crowns that will be given.

Until our death and resurrection of the just, that predestined inheritance is reserved for us in heaven, while we remain alive on earth.

The born again are already in heaven....."One with God"....>"in Christ"..... "seated in Heavenly places"

Like a son on earth, we have some growing and working of the Father's will to do first, in order to receive the reward of inheritance.

We are "Predestined" to the inheritance, that is based on being Born again as a "Heir of God" and a "Joint heir of Christ" already.
Salvation is a GIFT, and the inheritance is a part of the "Gift".

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

The born again are already become. "Heir of God" "joint Heir with Jesus"...... and we are already "redeemed".

Once we are saved by grace, we have obtained a predestined inheritance reserved in heaven for us, but only once we have done the Father's will

Our inheritance is based on The Cross of Christ , exactly as our Salvation is only based on the Cross.
The born again will be rewarded at the Bema seat for what we have done "in My Body"...., and they will be "confirmed into the image of Christ" also having received a New Body.

Are you saying you have already inherited the Father's everlasting kingdom, while still in flesh and blood on earth?

Of course...
See..
The "body is dead because of sin".....>Its the Spirit that is born again, that is "one with God"....that has already become the "heir of God and the Joint heir with Jesus".
The born again spirit, is the Child of God, and there is no blood or flesh in a Spirit.

 

[Gilligan]

Listen more carefully.....

When Paul said he wanted to attain to the resurrection of the dead, he also said "absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" where he is right now.
See if you can do that math, and come up with the answer.....if you believe he is still waiting to be "resurrected with all those who are asleep in Christ".

Yes, he is.

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

We see the souls of the dead in Christ at the altar of the Lord's presence in heaven. Not their resurrected bodies.

Are you saying Paul's dead body is already resurrected from the grave, and the first resurrection of the blessed is past?

David's body is still in the grave.

Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

also......Its Pretersim and similar heresy that teaches that what is to come, has already occurred in the past.

True. Such as already inheriting the kingdom of God, while still in flesh and blood on earth.

Preterism is a result of trying to make real events into a spirit-only present truth.

That is the reward of inheritance by resurrection of the dead, you are apparently tryiong to believe in and teach.

It's a simple question, and all you do is offer your doctrine:

Have you, or have you not inherited the kingdom of God, while still in flesh and blood?

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

No one has nor ever will inherit the kingdom of God, in any way, shape, manner, nor form, while still in the flesh on earth.

And what you dont also understand is this...

"Jesus is THE Resurrection"..
See that?
Resurrection is not some obtuse idea . Its JESUS Himself who is "THE Resurrection".
So the born again have Resurrection inside, while waiting on the trip to the SKY.
See that?
So, to have Jesus in you, is to be born again....and this is the Resurrection both now and later.

So you are now resurrected?

"Christ in you, the hope of GLORY">.. (Glory is Heaven) is to possess the KOG already.

And so, you confirm that no one inherits and possesses the kingdom of God, until resurrected from the dead unto everlasting life in heaven.

Until then, we have the hope of that resurrected glory in Christ Jesus.

The Born Again exist as "seated in Heavenly places in Christ"......right now...... not just "after the resurrection".

Are you in heaven now?

So, you need to understand what im showing you, so that you can understand the inheritance as both now and later, inside of the born again

The kingdom of God by the Spirit dwells in us now.

Not the inheritance of the kingdom of God, that is only inherited by resurrection of the dead.

Are you saying you have the inheritance of the kingdom of God in you, while in flesh and blood?

and yet the later blessing of inheritance, also.

Later is inheriting the kingdom of God by reward, not an ongoing blessing of having the inheritance of the kingdom already.

Are you saying being saved and born again is the reward of inheritance? You are inheriting salvation by reward?

 

[Behold]

It's doctrine of Scripture.

It's doctrine of Scripture.

Its your personal sentence, so structured.
I suspect its a cut and paste from your commentatry.


And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

Bema Seat of Christ.


The reward is at the resurrection of the righteous.

Bema seat of Christ


In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eternal Security of the Believer, or as Jesus said.."you shall never perish"



Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Yes, being born again is the "earnest", and the Child of God is the "purchased possession".


We have the earnest of our inheritance of the Spirit, but we do not inherit until resurrection of the body.

Bema Seat of Christ


By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

That is a verse given to Abraham regarding the LAND that God gave Him.
Its not a Spiritual place....its not the KOG.


These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off,

Those are OT prophets and David the King....etc. They were given the prophetic revelation of Jesus, who would die for the sin of the world....John 3:16. However, They could not receive their Promised Messiah at that time, as He was to come later.


Abraham did not receive the promised inheritance of faith in God, while alive on earth. No man has, nor will any believer, until the redemption of the body from the grave.

No person can go to the Bema Seat or be "conformed into the Image of Christ" while their heart is beating in this body.


Are you in heaven now, having already inherited the kingdom of God?

All the born again are currently "one with God". Are you saying God is not in Heaven?
All the born again are "in Christ". Are you teaching that Christ is not in Heaven?
All the born again are "seated in Heavenly Places", so are you teaching that the KOG is not a part of God, Christ, or Heaven?


Which is the resurrection of the dead.

Rapture of the Bride of Christ.



Since it is by reward, then is your salvation now recieved as an inheritance by reward?

Can a sinner be rewarded?
You seem to think that God is rewarding sinners with Salvation.
The reality is, Salvation produces a reward for the Savior.

= All the Born again.


That is the predestined will of God in this life, to be conformed to His Son's image. It is not the kingdom of God inherited at the redemption of the body, as reward for conforming to His image on earth.

Jesus is the KOG come down as "The Light of the World".
All the born again are "Children of THE LIGHT", right now.


So, you are already resurrected? Are you already in the resurrection?

Because Im born again....I have Jesus in me, and He is : "The Resurrection and The Life"


In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.

Moot point .
NO marriage in Heaven.

 

[Gilligan]

So, you need to understand what im showing you, so that you can understand the inheritance as both now and later, inside of the born again, and yet the later blessing of inheritance, also.

And so, here is your own manner of preterism by spirit-only.

You are claiming spiritual resurrection, prior to bodily resurrection.

You are claiming spiritually inheriting the kingdom of God, before bodily inheriting the kingdom of God.

It's the same as those who claim to be spiritually resurrected and reigning with God now, before being bodily resurrected to rule with Him.

None of these things ever come to pass and are had by spirit-only, but by Scripture they are only had bodily, with the resurrection of the dead.

Bible resurrection is of the dead body only.

Bible Millennialism is with the resurrected body only.

Bible inheriting the kingdom of God is with resurrected body only.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

And so have inherited the kingdom of God?

Or, would you like to say you are now already inheriting the kingdom of God?

 

[Behold]

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Its unlikely that you'll be slain for Christ in your bedroom, while posting more theological nonsense.
But you can keep trying.

We see the souls of the dead in Christ at the altar of the Lord's presence in heaven. Not their resurrected bodies.

Are you saying Paul's dead body is already resurrected from the grave, and the first resurrection of the blessed is past?

Paul said...>"absent from the body (dead)...is to be present with the Lord".

Have you, or have you not inherited the kingdom of God, while still in flesh and blood?

The born again Spirit is in the Kingdom of God.
You can't be "one with God" "In Christ" and this not be true.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

The "body is dead because of sin".. The born again Spirit is in Heaven "in Christ"...."one with God"..

So you are now resurrected?

All the born again are "in Christ", "One with God".
Are God and Christ in Heaven?
There is your answer.

And so, you confirm that no one inherits and possesses the kingdom of God,

All the Born again are "translated from Darkness.....>to LIGHT".

Light is ..."God exits in Light"... "Jesus is the Light of the world".
This is the KOG.
All the born again are there... All the born again are "children of THE LIGHT"

Are you saying you have the inheritance of the kingdom of God in you, while in flesh and blood?

The Born again exist as "One with God"...."In Christ"..."seated in Heavenly places"......and and there is your KOG.

 

[Behold]

And so, here is your own manner of preterism by spirit-only.

Thats just your comprehension issue. Ive stated nothing that resembles the heresy of "preterism".

You are claiming spiritual resurrection, prior to bodily resurrection.

Im "claiming" to be "in Christ" ..."One with God".
Were are they? as they are the KOG.

It's the same as those who claim to be spiritually resurrected and reigning with God now, before being bodily resurrected to rule with Him.

Well, the born again are risen with Christ, by being "In Christ".

And Paul teaches...

"As Jesus is....so are the born again....In This World".

Bible resurrection is of the dead body only.

Becoming "one with God" is a Spiritual Union. Has nothing to do with your body.

Bible Millennialism is with the resurrected body only.

The Millennial reign is "new body".

Bible inheriting the kingdom of God is with resurrected body only.

God and Christ are the KOG.
They are in the born again, as the Born again are become "The Temple of the Holy Spirit"

And so have inherited the kingdom of God?

The KOG "is within you" Jesus said.
He was not talking to dead people when He told them that.
Do you understand?

So, you have to be able to understand that the KOG is GOD and Christ.
Its Spiritual. Its the Kingdom of LIGHT.
And to be joined in spiritual union with God and Christ is to be "born again" into the Light as a "Child of THE Light".

 

[Gilligan]

And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

Bema Seat of Christ.

It is the reward after the resurrection of the dead.

Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Inheritance is by reward.

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eternal Security of the Believer, or as Jesus said.."you shall never perish"

And so here we see all your arguments revert back to OSAS faith alone doctrine.

You are teaching a spirit-only inheritance of the kingdom of God now, while still in flesh and blood, in order to doctrinally guarantee your inheriting the kingdom of God at the resurrection of the dead.

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Yes, being born again is the "earnest", and the Child of God is the "purchased possession".

The body of the child of God is also. The redemption is of both body and soul.

We have earnest of inheritance only in the Spirit, while still in flesh and blood. We have not inherited anything, until raised from the dead.

By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

That is a verse given to Abraham regarding the LAND that God gave Him.
Its not a Spiritual place....its not the KOG.

Are you saying the father of faith was not promised an eternal inheritance, neither did he look for one?

You are saying the inheritance of the kingdom of God, is not for any OT saint.

These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off,

Those are OT prophets and David the King....etc. They were given the prophetic revelation of Jesus, who would die for the sin of the world....John 3:16. However, They could not receive their Promised Messiah at that time, as He was to come later.

You are saying the OT saints were not promised to inherit the kingdom of God, but their inheritance is only land on earth.

It's because you are moving the argument elsewhere, away from the reward of inheriting the kingdom of God.

Have you inherited the kingdom of God? Is that inheritance by reward for doing good, and not evil on earth?

or be "conformed into the Image of Christ" while their heart is beating in this body.

You do not believe you can be conformed to Jesus' image and walk righteously as He walked on earth. Yes, I know that.

But of course, this thread is not about your unbelief pertaining to today, but about how the kingdom of God is only inherited by reward for doing the word of God.

Are you in heaven now, having already inherited the kingdom of God?

All the born again are currently "one with God". Are you saying God is not in Heaven?
All the born again are "in Christ". Are you teaching that Christ is not in Heaven?
All the born again are "seated in Heavenly Places", so are you teaching that the KOG is not a part of God, Christ, or Heaven?

Fine, you're now in heaven. How does it look up there?

Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Since you're in Him and have His power and rule, and are in heaven, then that makes angels subject to you. I'll tell you what, you send one of those angels down here to earth, to tell me you're there by name, then perhaps I will believe you're in heaven. The problem is there are lying angels out and about.

This is worshipping of angels stuff. You idolize yourself as an angel in heaven.

I'm still down here on earth. My heavenly seat is in my heart, where Jesus and His kingdom dwells.

Since it is by reward, then is your salvation now recieved as an inheritance by reward?

Can a sinner be rewarded?
You seem to think that God is rewarding sinners with Salvation.
The reality is, Salvation produces a reward for the Savior.

= All the Born again.

You're back to teaching the gift of salvation is the reward of inheritance.

Even I wouldn't say salvation is a reward. But you find yourself doing so, in order to say you are already inheriting the kingdom of God 'in spirit', because you are being saved.

In any case, since you've now tied salvation to reward of inheritance, then you're being righteously rewarded by doing His righteousness and not sinning with the flesh.

And since the reward is only for the righteous, then we conclude your salvation and inheritance cease, when you're doing unrighteousness.

That is the predestined will of God in this life, to be conformed to His Son's image. It is not the kingdom of God inherited at the redemption of the body, as reward for conforming to His image on earth.

Jesus is the KOG come down as "The Light of the World".
All the born again are "Children of THE LIGHT", right now.

This isn't an answer about the kingdom of God. It's just your doctrine of the children of another light not being conformed to the Son's image on earth.

So, you are already resurrected? Are you already in the resurrection?

Because Im born again....I have Jesus in me, and He is : "The Resurrection and The Life"

Ok, so you also teach the resurrection is past, or at least begun.

And you are alreading inheriting the kingdom of God by reward, for not being conformed to the image of Christ. Nor even believing it is possible to do so in this life.

You are already being resurrected, entering into heaven, and inheriting the kingdom of God, while not being conformed to His image and walking righteously as He walked on earth.

You believe you are already being resurrected from the dead, and are already in heaven, and inheriting the everlasting kingdom of Christ.

But you do not believe back here on earth, you can be conformed to His image and walk righteously as He walked.

And you're the one talking about how there is no resurrection unto life, nor inheriting His kingdom in heaven, for unbelievers?

The believers of Jesus' faith, believe we can be conformed to His image as commanded, and walk as He walk in righteousness on earth.

However, we don't believe we are already being resurrected from the dead, nor are yet in heaven in the presence of the Lord, nor yet have inherited the kingdom of God, while still being in flesh and blood on earth.

We're just not as spiritual as some, who are already in heaven.

OSAS soul separation theology is here confirmed. The soul is resurrecting into heaven inheriting the kingdom of God, while the body is still walking after the flesh on earth, unconformed to the image of Christ.

 

[Gilligan]

Its unlikely that you'll be slain for Christ in your bedroom, while posting more theological nonsense.
But you can keep trying.

I doubt it too. I'm armed. But you know what it's like to be slain for Christ, since your soul is in heaven.

How did it feel?

Paul said...>"absent from the body (dead)...is to be present with the Lord".

Correct. Absent from the body. He's not in His resurrected body, yet.

The born again Spirit is in the Kingdom of God.

God is not His kingdom. His reward of everlasting life is dwelling with Him forever.

We don't inherit God. Scratch that. I don't.

Since you're already inheriting His kingdom. All things are possible in the spirit-only realm. Including fairy sprites.

You can't be "one with God" "In Christ" and this not be true.

Ok, Flesh and blood can inherit the kingdom of God.

The "body is dead because of sin".. The born again Spirit is in Heaven "in Christ"...."one with God"..

Ah yes. Good ol OSAS. You're natural body is dead, and you're resurrected into heaven, and you've inherited the kingdom of God.

All while in dead flesh and blood on earth.

Yes, your delusion is come, and all that's left is fun and games of seeing how far.

But remember, your reward of resurrection and inheritance is still only so long as you are conformed to the image of Christ, and doing righteously, on earth, as He did, on earth. I must clarify exactly where with souls as angels in heaven, that are maybe still on earth.

But since you don't even believe unto righteousness with the heart, I don't see how you are doing it in the first place.

All the born again are "in Christ", "One with God".
Are God and Christ in Heaven?
There is your answer.

No problem. You're already resurrected, and the resurrection is past.

Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

So was your faith overthrown unto unrighteousness, so as not to believe unto righteousness, before or after your resurrection?

All the Born again are "translated from Darkness.....>to LIGHT".

Those doing unrighteousness are in another kind of light.

But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Those not believing in doing righteousness with the Lord, can't possibly be doing it, since pleasing God first requires faith from the heart.

 

[Gilligan]

Thats just your comprehension issue. Ive stated nothing that resembles the heresy of "preterism".

Didn't say you do. You just state your own form spirit-only teachings, which is how preterism is taught.

You're already resurrected, in heaven, and inheriting the kingdom of God. Only 'spiritually-speaking', of course.

I'm thinking the preterists would be the ones insulted by comparing them with you.

Im "claiming" to be "in Christ" ..."One with God".
Were are they? as they are the KOG.

As I said.

Well, the born again are risen with Christ, by being "In Christ".

And Paul teaches...

"As Jesus is....so are the born again....In This World".

Oh, so you are also one of the pseudo-millennialists. I wonder if they go as far as you. I'll ask one if they are also already inheriting the kingdom of God.

On of them does have his feet on solid ground, and I doubt he would agree. He's not OSAS, which is all your stuff is about.

Becoming "one with God" is a Spiritual Union. Has nothing to do with your body.

Neither does pseudo-resurrection, reigning, inheriting, and being in heaven.

The only thing that has to do with your body, is it's still doing unrighteousness. But no matter what you may doctrinalize, it's your own fault, because it is from the heart, that you don't believe you can walk as Jesus walked righteously in your body.

Our heart problem is not our body's fault. You can't blame everything on your flesh.

I know this has nothing to do with you, but I like quoting Scripture when it applies:

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Being saved and born again has everything to do with our bodies. Spirit-union only is fantasy world preterist type stuff.

Not that you're a preterist.

The Millennial reign is "new body".

So is the inheritance. No new body, no inheritance. No new body inherited, no kingdom of God inherited.

The KOG "is within you" Jesus said.
He was not talking to dead people when He told them that.

No, just dead bodies like yours.

So, you have to be able to understand that the KOG is GOD and Christ.

No, I don't, unless you show Scripture saying so.

But believe me, I'm not expecting you too. I'm just an observer now, of how far you will go into the light that is not light.

However, I don't know how much deeper into the dark light you can go.

Let's review:

1. Your body is dead.
2. You're in heaven.
3. You're resurrected without your dead body.
4. You're inheriting the kingdom of God as we speak.
5. You're ruling with Christ in heaven and on earth.
6. You're not conformed to the image of Christ, because your body is dead, and your heart doesn't believe in it anyway.

I would say, other than last two, you think you are one of the dead in Christ in the presence of the Lord. They know better than to think they are ruling angels with Jesus. And they certainly believed in and were conformed to His image on earth.

But, in any case, how do dead bodies type on keyboards? Oh, I forgot: OSAS zombieland.

 

[Gilligan]

Jesus is the "Gift of Salvation", and the born again are His Reward for going to the Cross.

I now see how someone can be so deluded about what they believe and teach.

If you think Jesus is your gift to own, then no wonder you write your own word and gospel.

And if His prophets and apostles don't agree with your word, well they just don't have your gift.

In all seriousness, you're not in heaven, your body isn't dead, you haven't been resurrected and inherited the kingdom of God.

You still poop down here on earth like the rest of us. You just don't live like the saints. You don't even believe you can.

You certainly have the gift of gab, just not for doing.

But a Child of God, is born again.
You can be a doer of the word, and not be born again.

True. Nor inherit the kingdom of God.

Especially those who don't even believe in doing His word righteously as He does.

"Predestined to be conformed into the Image of Christ" is promised inheritance......a part of it. There is also the Bema Seat Rewards and other special Crowns that will be given in Heaven.

True. Only after the resurrection, unless of course there's some partly before 'in spirit' to get underway.

That is God working all things......not you doing it.

Yes, I am. My body's not dead. When I do good for the Lord, my body goes with me.

I've heard OSAS teaching, that it is their body's fault when doing sin, but I've never heard them honor their bodies for doing any good.

Why is that? It's like the body gets all of the blame but none of the glory.

I'm more fair. When I do good with my body, it's me doing it, and if I do evil in my body, it's me doing evil.

It takes an honest heart first, before Jesus can make a good heart.

But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Being born again is the "earnest", or the downpayment for the rest that is promised.

True. The rest is inheriting the kingdom of God by resurrection of the just.

The born again are already in heaven....."One with God"....>"in Christ"..... "seated in Heavenly places"

So, you really do teach you are a dead in christ and dearly departed into heaven.

I'm thinking the light can't get any darker at this point.

We are "Predestined" to the inheritance, that is based on being Born again as a "Heir of God" and a "Joint heir of Christ" already.

Right, you've already inherited the kingdom of God in flesh and blood.

Salvation is a GIFT,

God, Jesus, nor His salvation is a gift. God is love. God is not 'a gift'.

Neither your gift is God, nor is your word God's.

and the inheritance is a part of the "Gift".

Back to reward is not reward but gift, and gift is not gift, but reward.

and they will be "confirmed into the image of Christ" also having received a New Body.

Another piece to the puzzle, thanks. It confirms the OSAS doctrine of not doing righteousness unto dead in the grave.

It's the phony OSAS hope to conform to Christ, later. Just not today.

Those who wait to be conformed to the image of Christ after the grave, never will be. It's too late, their day of conformity on earth has passed.

And their hope is just lip-service anyway, since they don't want to today.

Of course...
See..
The "body is dead because of sin".....>Its the Spirit that is born again, that is "one with God"....that has already become the "heir of God and the Joint heir with Jesus".
The born again spirit, is the Child of God, and there is no blood or flesh in a Spirit.

Ok, thanks. Your body is dead, you've inherited the kingdom of God, and your resurrected into heaven with the souls in the presence of the Lord.

You are absent from your dead body, and a dead in Christ.

And yet, you're still typing on a keyboard on earth and pooping with the rest of us.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Those who don't believe in living godly in their not-yet-dead bodies, and walking with Jesus righteously in this life, on earth, have no pleasure in it. Afterall, how can anyone have pleasure in something that they're not doing?

Oh wait. I got it. I'll bet you're having pleasure in doing righteousness with Jesus in spirit-only, in your mind in heaven. I really do believe you believe that and would teach it.

I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

You would say Paul is saying that we only live righteously in our minds, but not in our bodies. The apostles and apostles lived righteously and holily in their minds only. That's why they were mistakenly prosecuted, because they were only thinking righteous and holy thoughts, but others took them seriously and thought they were actually preaching to do it.

And someone mistook you for preaching to others to do righteousness and live holily in our bodies on earth. That's how you also got mistakenly slain and are in heaven now with the rest of the dead.

Well, at least you're in heaven. That's all that matters, right?

I'm going to be returning to the real world now. When you're dead body does poop, try to steer it over a toilet, and not in anyone's cat box. (Dead Pool)

 

[Gilligan]

1 Peter 1:3-5
(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
(4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
(5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

We are born into it.

Much love!

Into the kingdom of God, yes. We are only resurrected into inheriting it.

In this life, they are born into inheritance, and can receive it no matter how they live. It is a gift of birth.

But the heavenly Father's kingdom is inherited only by reward of doing His will unto the end.

That's why it's the reward of His inheritance.

Being born and again and saved is by grace, not by reward. We then do good for life for reward to inherit the everlasting kingdom of God.

No one is resurrected from the dead to inherit everlasting life, by their own faith alone.

 

[Robert Gwin]

True. Only the new earth will have New Jerusalem come down from heaven upon it, for God to dwell with man.

On the same token Gilligan, God resides in the heavens. God, and the entire spirit creation along with those who have been redeemed from the earth will reside in heaven. God made the earth for His fleshly creation. Won't that be a glorious day when Rev 21:2 is fulfilled. A vast majority of humans have prayed for that sir. It is almost hard to believe isn't it.

 

[ScottA]

This is a vague doctrinal answer only.

There is either a death of the body, or changing to immortality while alive, in between now having eternal life of the Spirit on earth, and inheriting everlasting life with immortal body.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

I'll try once more, have you already inherited the kingdom of God, while still in flesh and blood on earth?

I have not.

I have.

 

[marks]

Into the kingdom of God, yes. We are only resurrected into inheriting it.

In this life, they are born into inheritance, and can receive it no matter how they live. It is a gift of birth.

But the heavenly Father's kingdom is inherited only by reward of doing His will unto the end.

Look at the passage again,

1 Peter 1:3-5
(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
(4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
(5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

It's plainly stated.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Christians say we don't do works to be saved. Fine. We do them to be rewarded with the inheritance after the grave.

You've just given the same doctrine with different words is all. I'm not fooled by that. And the Scriptures so plainly say differently, so I'm going with that.

Much love!

 

[Gilligan]

On the same token Gilligan, God resides in the heavens. God, and the entire spirit creation along with those who have been redeemed from the earth will reside in heaven. God made the earth for His fleshly creation. Won't that be a glorious day when Rev 21:2 is fulfilled. A vast majority of humans have prayed for that sir. It is almost hard to believe isn't it.

No doubt, it would be wonderful to live on earth during the Lord's reign, where the King's justice is praise for them that do well, and swift execution to the wicked.

However, to hope to be left alive on earth at His coming and not be resurrected to meet Him in the air, means having to live through His plagues, not be found with the armies waring against Him, nor be judged as an unneighborly goat.

Only then will the sheep left on earth enter into His Millennium reign. But that still includes believing in Him as Lord and God.

I just wonder if your JW created christ heresy, would still reject Him as Lord and God, even after seeing Him in the air, and wailing because of it.