Christianity requires fear, guilt, and conformity

[Naomanos]

Disagree. Exceptions don't make rules. Well over 95% of abortions are for convenience sake. https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/article_files/3711005.pdf

So you are all for the life of the mother ending when it can be saved by having an abortion?

As I said, the percentage doesn't matter. If the mother's life can be saved because the fetus or pregnancy is killing her, than it should be.

She is a life too, and if the fetus has no chance of survival outside the womb, why should both die when the mother can live?

Even if the percentage is 0.0000000000001 that abortions are done for medical reasons, those reasons are enough to protect abortion for those specific reasons.

My mind will never change on that, but as someone told me in a PM, as someone who has been in the medical field as long as I have, I am closer to life and death situations than the majority of people ever come close to being.

 

[Wrangler]

If you say so, but be that it was founded on freedom of religion to me means that any religion can be practiced here and the government cannot establish on religion over another.

Oh, I forgot to mention WHY Freedom of Religion was put as the list Amendment. In the colonial days, various colonies DID establish one religion over another. In EVERY single case, the established religion in the American colonies was Christian, 100%.

The fear the Founding Father's had was that one Christian denomination would seek to become the State supported religion of the super-State compact. There was no concern that non-Christian religions posed such a threat.

If there was one exception to colonies establishing one religion over another that was NOT Christian, it would be used by anti-Christian propagandists would use it to support their false claim denying that America is a Christian nation.

Just because our Christian nation decided to form a non-theocratic government, does not mean it is not a Christian culture, a Christian people and a Christian nation.

 

[Naomanos]

Oh, I forgot to mention WHY Freedom of Religion was put as the list Amendment. In the colonial days, various colonies DID establish one religion over another. In EVERY single case, the established religion in the American colonies was Christian, 100%.

The fear the Founding Father's had was that one Christian denomination would seek to become the State supported religion of the super-State compact. There was no concern that non-Christian religions posed such a threat.

If there was one exception to colonies establishing one religion over another that was NOT Christian, it would be used by anti-Christian propagandists would use it to support their false claim denying that America is a Christian nation.

Just because our Christian nation decided to form a non-theocratic government, does not mean it is not a Christian culture, a Christian people and a Christian nation.

I disagree, but hey, that is my right.

This has never been and should never be a Christian nation.

 

[Wrangler]

She is a life too, and if the fetus has no chance of survival outside the womb, why should both die when the mother can live?

Well, speaking of science, who created test tube babies, it means there is a chance of survival outside the womb. And this is why the "Pro-Choice" movement is losing.

They've revealed themselves to be ardent baby killers. Even the argument to save the mother's life is increasingly a non-argument. Still, they just want the freedom to murder babies with impunity.

 

[Wrangler]

Even if the percentage is 0.0000000000001 that abortions are done for medical reasons, those reasons are enough to protect abortion for those specific reasons.

Irrational. Even if the percentage is 0.0000000000001 that guns are used to save lives, those reasons are enough to not indict people who kill with guns.

 

[Wrangler]

Even if the percentage is 0.0000000000001 that abortions are done for medical reasons, those reasons are enough to protect abortion for those specific reasons.

My mind will never change on that

But not for all the other reasons!

I've observed that women don't want to justify themselves and be accountable for their actions. If the 0.0000000000001% of women whose lives are TRULY in danger, they can prove that in a court of law. That's EQUALITY. We do that before killing other people.

And in such a court proceeding the baby killing mom, can also prove that there is 0% chance the baby cannot survive outside the womb.

 

[Naomanos]

Well, speaking of science, who created test tube babies, it means there is a chance of survival outside the womb. And this is why the "Pro-Choice" movement is losing.

They've revealed themselves to be ardent baby killers. Even the argument to save the mother's life is increasingly a non-argument. Still, they just want the freedom to murder babies with impunity.

Not every fetus can be raised in a test tube. So your argument is moot!

I have stated numerous times that I am against abortion for birth control. I am all for abortion for medical reasons.

I am really starting to see that those who claim to be pro-life really aren't because the life of the mother is hardly on their radar.

 

[Naomanos]

If the 0.0000000000001% of women whose lives are TRULY in danger, they can prove that in a court of law. That's EQUALITY. We do that before killing other people.

If that is what you want, you have just effectively murdered those women because they will die in the process.

So much for your pro-life argument.

You and I are done discussing this. I will not discuss this with someone so ignorant of what he speaks!

 

[Wrangler]

Not every fetus can be raised in a test tube. So your argument is moot!

Exceptions don't make rules. Not every fetus will die in a test tube. So your argument is moot! How does that shoe fit?w

 

[Wrangler]

If that is what you want, you have just effectively murdered those women because they will die in the process.

Prove it. EVEN IF 100% of the women who claim to have their life in danger to being pregnant will die will result in fewer deaths than the vast majority of babies killed for convenience sake.

 

[Naomanos]

Prove it

I said I was done discussing this with you. You are so ignorant of this and don't even realize that you are murdering these women.

I feel so very sorry for you!

 

[Wrangler]

You are so ignorant of this and don't even realize that you are murdering these women.

Half the babies aborted are female. Murdering them is okey-dokey?

 

[Romanov2488]

Disagree. Exceptions don't make rules. Well over 95% of abortions are for convenience sake. https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/article_files/3711005.pdf

“Exceptions don’t make rules” is a classist and elitist thing to say. It’s that form of bigotry used to marginalize those who account for a small number of the population. By the way going by your logic, less people use guns to defend themselves compared to guns being used to murder others in the U.S.

Also,

 

[Romanov2488]

No. Proof that God exists is the billions of living witnesses.

Science here tells us not to rely on eyewitness accounts.

Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts

Eyewitness testimony is fickle and, all too often, shockingly inaccurate

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Romanov2488]

America is a Christian nation. Always was.

Comparing Christians to the Taliban is like comparing Hindu's to the Democrat Party. Your hatred blinds you, as always.

False. The founding fathers here would laugh at your folly:

 

[Wrangler]

“Exceptions don’t make rules” is a classist and elitist thing to say. It’s that form of bigotry used to marginalize those who account for a small number of the population.

Cultural Marxism BS really having nothing to do with the abortion issue. Why do you think the minority ought to rule? To avoid the shame of ‘marginalizing’ the minority?

 

[Wrangler]

Science here tells us not to rely on eyewitness accounts.

Witness testimony is accepted in courts everyday

 

[Jim B]

Half the babies aborted are female. Murdering them is okey-dokey?

Abortion is not and never has been "murder". That is a lie.

 

[Romanov2488]

Witness testimony is accepted in courts everyday

Ok and? That’s why attorneys exist to question the mental health or eyesight of said “witnesses”. As if witnesses can’t lie or be biased…

 

[Wrangler]

Ok and? That’s why attorneys exist to question the mental health or eyesight of said “witnesses”.

Slander does not alter the validity of witness testimony.