When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

[Spiritual Israelite]

I have ZERO issue when someone disagrees with me.

You don't give that impression with the way you respond to those who disagree with you.

This is you who going beyond disagreeing, as your attempt to insult, as if that is somehow supposed to make your disagreeing have merit.

You can't possibly think you can be taken seriously when you resort to nonsense like saying being "in Christ" and being "in Jesus" are different things. It is IMPOSSIBLE to take that seriously. So, if you're insulted by that, so be it, but I'm just telling you how it is.

Aside from your attempts to insult….can you give some honest answers to a few questions?
Are you a protestant?
Did you ever go to an alter call and confess to the Lord God, that Jesus is the Christ?
Do you remember that date?
Did you receive a Certificate of that date?
Did you schedule a water Baptism there after?
Were you water Baptized?
Did you receive a Certificate of that Baptism?
Do you recall that date?
Did that Baptism make you a member of that Church?
Do you consider yourself Baptized with the Holy Spirit?

Define what a protestant is in your understanding and then I'll answer that question.

What is your reason for all these questions? I am a Christian who repented of my sins and put my faith and trust in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and everyone who does this is baptized with the Holy Spirit. I have been water baptized. I don't need certificates and I don't need to prove anything to you, that's for sure.

 

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Define what a protestant is in your understanding and then I'll answer that question.

Primarily a Christian Church that offers Altar calls for people to testify of their confession before witnesses of their Belief Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God, thereafter a scheduled fully body immersion water baptism, and that Churches membership.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Primarily a Christian Church that offers Altar calls for people to testify of their confession before witnesses of their Belief Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God, thereafter a scheduled fully body immersion water baptism, and that Churches membership.

I guess I am then. So, what was your reason for asking all those questions?

 

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I guess I am then.

Your guessing response about nothing …

So, what was your reason for asking all those questions?

To see if you could give an honest forthright response….you avoided answering….but added you would answer….then Didn’t.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your guessing response about nothing …

So, your question was nothing? You asked if I was a protestant and I asked how you defined that. After you defined it I said I guess I am then (according to you definition). Is this too hard for you to follow?

To see if you could give an honest forthright response….you avoided answering….but added you would answer….then Didn’t.

I did answer your questions. Why are you lying? Something is very, very wrong with you.

 

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So, your question was nothing? You asked if I was a protestant and I asked how you defined that. After you defined it I said I guess I am then (according to you definition). Is this too hard for you to follow?


I did answer your questions. Why are you lying? Something is very, very wrong with you.

I asked you several questions. You can’t or won’t answer as you said you would….so be it.

 

[Timtofly]

Human men raised other humans up from death before (and after) Jesus did.

When Jesus SAID those words He was revealing KNOWLEDGE;
It is His Power that raises the DEAD….not the power of men.

That is why the Resurrection of Lazarus was out of sheol (Abraham's bosom) and Lazarus would never physically die again. The other coming back to physical life after a near death experience is not a resurrection into eternal life.

 

[Timtofly]

Disagree. I could care less what terms Greeks used to describe things…Nor do I care WHO coined the phrase “Greek mythology”.

Scripture itself teaches immortality for mortals.

1 Cor 15:
[53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put onimmortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


Never said Lazarus was glorified.
Nothing says Lazarus was Baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Scripture reveals Lazarus was bodily dead and his body resumed living. That his soul was saved. That his body died. And his body SHALL BE raised MADE immortal.

Then there is a physical resurrection, a spiritual resurrection, and now an immortality resurrection?

You keep coming up with all these different resurrections, no?

 

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That is why the Resurrection of Lazarus was out of sheol (Abraham's bosom) and Lazarus would never physically die again. The other coming back to physical life after a near death experience is not a resurrection into eternal life.

Disagree in part.
Lazarus’ natural body died.
Lazarus’ natural body was buried.
Lazarus’ soul was in Sheol.
Lazarus’ soul returned to his dead body.
Lazarus’ natural deal body resumed living it’s natural life.

All natural bodies LIFE (which is its BLOOD), must permanently DIE, Before a body is Raised up in a GLORIFIED Body.

If Lazarus’ dead body was raised IN A GLORIFIED BODY, not one natural living person observing the event (WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE WITH THEIR NATURAL EYESIGHT TO SEE) LAZARUS’ body raise up.

John 11:
[44] And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
[45] Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.

What “them” “they” watching SAW, was the “glory” of God.
NOT THE GLORY OF LAZARUS, in A GLORIOUS BODY.

John 11:
[40] Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

The Glory of God “IS” Gods POWER.
Men standing by watching Jesus SPEAK and the Glory of Gods POWER raise Lazarus from the dead, to resume his natural life, was EXPRESSLY for men TO SEE, the EFFECTS of Gods POWER IN Jesus.

The “TITLE” of Gods POWER, IS “CHRIST”.

1 Cor 1:
[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Jesus Himself RAISING Lazarus” from the dead, before witnesses….
WAS for the BENEFIT of the natural living men WITNESSING the raising of Lazarus’, BY JESUS, to BELIEVE and UNDERSTAND…
JESUS IS the CHRIST…the POWER OF GOD…the GLORY OF GOD.

You making Lazarus’ being raised from the dead, ABOUT Lazarus’….ABOUT him being raised in an everlasting GLORIFIED body, is in ERROR.

The event was ABOUT JESUS’ IS THE CHRIST, the POWER OF GOD….WHAT the POWER of God CAN DO and men witnessing the POWER OF GOD, and them BELIEVING the POWER OF God IS Jesus, IS IN Jesus; Was them witnessing the Glory (Power) of Gods WORKS.

A natural bodily life that DIES, and then is brought back to LIVING, “RESUMES”, or otherwise RETURNS to living it’s natural life, and once AGAIN IS “SEEN” alive BY other Natural living men.

A natural bodily life that DIES, and then is RAISED in an everlasting GLORIFIED BODY, “that Glorified body IS NOT SEEN by the eyes of natural living men”.

 

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Then there is a physical resurrection, a spiritual resurrection, and now an immortality resurrection?

You keep coming up with all these different resurrections, no?

God “comes up with” His ORDER, His WAY, His WILL.

I simply read the Knowledge IN Scripture, Trust it is True, and Get Gods UNDERSTANDING of His True KNOWLEDGE, by ASKING God Himself.

God has THE POWER, to raise up any naturally DEAD man to resume that mans natural (BLOOD) life.
AND Scripture has Revealed Examples of the ORDER and WAY, God HAS raised up natural men FROM their natural death, to RESUME living their natural life.
The ORDER…
Is a FAITHFUL men ASKING GOD to restore a natural man’s LIFE from Death to resume living it’s natural life.
The WAY…
Is God Hearing a FAITHFUL mans REQUEST.
The WAY …
Is God RETURNING that dead man’s LIVING SOUL to that man’s DEAD BODY.

You DO KNOW…all living souls belong to God? Yes?
You DO KNOW…Life of a natural man IS his BLOOD? Yes?
You DO KNOW….Life of a soul IS Gods BREATH? Yes?
You DO KNOW…Living souls DEPART Dead Body’s? Yes?
You DO KNOW…Living souls RETURNED to DEAD natural body’s RESUMES that natural body BACK TO LIVING it’s NATURAL LIFE? Yes?
You DO KNOW…a BODY that has “put on INCORRUPTION”, is a Glorified Body, that can never AGAIN DIE? Yes?
You DO KNOW…A GLORIFIED BODY, can NOT be SEEN by NATURAL LIVING MENS EYES? Yes?

Interested in an example of a FAITHFUL man ASKING God to RETURN a soul to a DEAD body, so that body would resume its natural bodily Life? It was a young boy who had died. And once the boy’s soul was returned to him, THE boy’s body was AGAIN alive. AND the mother SAW the boys dead body and then SAW the boys LIVING Body.
IF the boys body had been Raised “INCORRUPTIBLE”….The mother would NOT with her natural EYES have been ABLE TO SEE the boys natural body AGAIN alive.

Read 1 Kings Chapter 17, for context and the raising up of a Dead boy, according to Gods ORDER and WAY.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I asked you several questions. You can’t or won’t answer as you said you would….so be it.

I did answer them. Stop lying.

 

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I did answer them. Stop lying.

Here is my questions to you…POST # 277.
Aside from your attempts to insult….can you give some honest answers to a few questions?
Are you a protestant?
Did you ever go to an alter call and confess to the Lord God, that Jesus is the Christ?
Do you remember that date?
Did you receive a Certificate of that date?
Did you schedule a water Baptism there after?
Were you water Baptized?
Did you receive a Certificate of that Baptism?
Do you recall that date?
Did that Baptism make you a member of that Church?
Do you consider yourself Baptized with the Holy Spirit?

What POST # is you answering those questions? Which are all sufficient to have answered yes or no….

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here is my questions to you…POST # 277.
Aside from your attempts to insult….can you give some honest answers to a few questions?
Are you a protestant?
Did you ever go to an alter call and confess to the Lord God, that Jesus is the Christ?
Do you remember that date?
Did you receive a Certificate of that date?
Did you schedule a water Baptism there after?
Were you water Baptized?
Did you receive a Certificate of that Baptism?
Do you recall that date?
Did that Baptism make you a member of that Church?
Do you consider yourself Baptized with the Holy Spirit?

What POST # is you answering those questions? Which are all sufficient to have answered yes or no….

I answered the first question in post #283 after you gave your definition of a protestant and I had answered the rest in post #281. I answered the questions the way I wanted to. If you don't like the way I answered them, then too bad. But, I did. And I'm not going to spend any more time on that because I don't need to prove anything to you.

 

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I answered the first question in post #283 after you gave your definition of a protestant and I had answered the rest in post #281. I answered the questions the way I wanted to. If you don't like the way I answered them, then too bad. But, I did. And I'm not going to spend any more time on that because I don't need to prove anything to you.

TY for expressing your convoluted standing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

TY for expressing your convoluted standing.

That's rich coming from you. You have possibly the most convoluted beliefs I've ever seen.

 

[WPM]

TY for expressing your convoluted standing.

LOL. You are describing yourself to a T.

 

[WPM]

Here is my questions to you…POST # 277.
Aside from your attempts to insult….can you give some honest answers to a few questions?
Are you a protestant?
Did you ever go to an alter call and confess to the Lord God, that Jesus is the Christ?
Do you remember that date?
Did you receive a Certificate of that date?
Did you schedule a water Baptism there after?
Were you water Baptized?
Did you receive a Certificate of that Baptism?
Do you recall that date?
Did that Baptism make you a member of that Church?
Do you consider yourself Baptized with the Holy Spirit?

What POST # is you answering those questions? Which are all sufficient to have answered yes or no….

What are you talking about? What has this to do with the topic at hand?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What are you talking about? What has this to do with the topic at hand?

Nothing, of course. I didn't need to bother answering his questions at all since they have nothing to do with this thread, but I did, anyway. And he's still not satisfied. This is the kind of thing we've seen people on here do when they can't support their beliefs or refute our beliefs with scripture. They change the subject and try to divert attention away from the fact that their doctrine can't be supported with scripture.

 

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What are you talking about? What has this to do with the topic at hand?

The topic is about escape from the trib…and was being discussed.

Nothing, of course. I didn't need to bother answering his questions at all since they have nothing to do with this thread, but I did, anyway. And he's still not satisfied.

No you did not answer the questions and you know it.

I wanted you to honestly reveal your standing and how you arrived at your standing….
You answered gobbledegook.

Scripture Teaches, IN God, IN Jesus, IN Christ….whether or not you, know it or choose to deny what Scripture expressly says.

You didn’t naturally pop out of your mother’s womb and hear God, hear Jesus, hear Christ, and instantly KNOW them or instantly SPIRITUALLY believe in God, In Jesus, or in Christ.
* IFY neither did the Ancient Prophets or Jesus’ own chosen Disciples who were appointed to be Jesus’ Apostles, which you MIGHT comprehend IF you read and studied instead of calling people liars, because they are Spiritually Understanding instead of yielding to your Carnal Mindedness and you expecting Spiritual Understanding to magically satisfy your Carnal Mindedness.

This is the kind of thing we've seen people on here do when they can't support their beliefs or refute our beliefs with scripture. They change the subject and try to divert attention away from the fact that their doctrine can't be supported with scripture.

IN God, IN Jesus, IN Christ is expressly taught in Scripture….but it is obvious you deny Scripture BECAUSE you do not KNOW what IN God, IN Jesus, IN Christ means….

And for @WPM Whining about being off topic….
IN God, IN Jesus, IN Christ expressly determines WHO and WHY earthly men are not or are appointed to suffer in part Tribulations God sends Down from Heaven.

So while Jesus was hopeful you would not be ignorant….carry on.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No you did not answer the questions and you know it.

Stop lying, liar. I answered them the way I chose to answer them. So, I did answer them. I could not care less if you are satisfied with my answers or not. I was not obligated to answer them at all. You are asking questions like that to divert attention away from the fact that your doctrine that we're discussing in this thread is complete nonsense.

I wanted you to honestly reveal your standing and how you arrived at your standing….
You answered gobbledegook.

You said it yourself. I answered. Whether you consider my answers to be "gobbldegook" or not is not my concern. Those questions have nothing to do with what we're talking about in this thread, so I'm not going to waste any more time giving in to your attempt to divert attention away form the fact that your doctrine is pure nonsensical gibberish.