What makes a doctrine false?

[St. SteVen]

Look, I don't mean to be rude, but seriously, do you have anything mature to contribute to the conversation? I sence a kind of antagonistic nature behind your remarks and I feel it's because you want to be apart of the topic yet you have nothing really to contribute. Do you feel left out?

Thanks. That's a great way to handle that.

 

[St. SteVen]

Truth takes no sides, we cannot box it in to any given religion. It is omnipresent. Truth and fact are the same thing, belief is always blind as Truth does not require belief. Christianity is in fact based on astro theology.

Let's discuss astro theology a bit. (astrotheology?)
The Genesis account refers to the stars saying, "... let them serve as signs to mark sacred times..."
Scripture below.

And it was wise men (astrologers?) from the east that followed a star to find Jesus.
Have wondered how a star could point to a single city. Could have been an angelic light. ???

Genesis 1:14 NIV
And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night,
and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

 

[quietthinker]

That's a good one. Examples?
One that comes to my mind is Matthew 24:13 NIV "... the one who stands firm to the end will be saved." claim about salvation.
What does the context tell us? Matthew 24 is about surviving the End Times events.

Just to be clear, if someone used that verse as it is commonly used,
I would not rail against them with an accusation of "False doctrine!!!"
Better to direct them to the passage context, and let them draw their own conclusion.

Example 1 :- The story of the rich man and Lazarus.....The point is missed, denied or ignored and a doctrine of the afterlife is constructed
Example 2 :- The 4th Commandment ....it is 'spiritualised' to negate it.
Example 3:- Death is not taken seriously.......immortality becomes the given either in heaven or hell or some other place the imagination constructs.

nuff for now!

 

[St. SteVen]

Example 1 :- The story of the rich man and Lazarus.....The point is missed, denied or ignored and a doctrine of the afterlife is constructed
Example 2 :- The 4th Commandment ....it is 'spiritualised' to negate it.
Example 3:- Death is not taken seriously.......immortality becomes the given either in heaven or hell or some other place the imagination constructs.

Wow. Those are some very controversial examples.
There would be a whole range of understanding/doctrines based on the context.
Not to mention many other scriptures that would come to bear on the subject of each.

The 4th Commandment is the Sabbath Commandment, correct?
Probably the most controversial of the lot.

 

[Grailhunter]

Truth takes no sides, we cannot box it in to any given religion. It is omnipresent. Truth and fact are the same thing, belief is always blind as Truth does not require belief. Christianity is in fact based on astro theology.

I love that response! LOL

 

[Zachariah]

I think Jesus was using exaggeration to make a point. Do you think he dishonored his own mother and father?
Nothing to do with doctrine, or beliefs. Follow Jesus and leave the rest behind.
When Jesus called the fishermen disciples to follow him, they left their nets and followed.

Lk 12:53: "‘Father will be divided against son and son against father; mother against daughter and daughter against mother; and mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.’ ”"

This is no exaggeration. Remember that Jesus is in most cases a representation of Truth. Truth is at war with a lie. Look at the covid vaccine for example. The Truth will divide you from people trapped in toxic ideology's and belief systems. Alot of people would rather die than admit they where wrong because alot of people have been decieved and their core belief systems are so intertwined with their ego identity. Truth becomes extremely threatening for those people. In a world of deception, upholding Truth becomes a dangerous way of life.

82 Jesus said, "Whoever is near me is near the fire, and whoever is far from me is far from the (Father's) domain."

Gospel of Thomas.

 

[Zachariah]

I am critical of negative and inappropriate responses to disagreement.
Posters are quick to label others as liars and claim they disagree with God. (sound familiar?)
And the obvious charge of false doctrine, over a difference of opinion.

You are open minded and have alot of respect. You take the time to read everyones posts and write back. I find this very admirable.

Beliefs are ment to be challenged. It is healthy. When they are not challenged the world ends up like it is today. Anyone who has a negative reaction to their belief being challenged has found themselves trapped.

 

[brightfame52]

Those who perished in the wilderness in their unbelief did not enter the promised land. They perished in the wilderness because of their unbelief. That's harsh.

They weren't given Faith. If God doesnt give a person faith to believe, then that means, Christ didnt die for them, and so they consequently are condemned, and must suffer the consequences for their sins.

Faith to be believe in Christ must be granted in behalf of Christ Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Now if He was given for our sins, we will be given Faith with Him Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

 

[Zachariah]

Let's discuss astro theology a bit. (astrotheology?)
The Genesis account refers to the stars saying, "... let them serve as signs to mark sacred times..."
Scripture below.

And it was wise men (astrologers?) from the east that followed a star to find Jesus.
Have wondered how a star could point to a single city. Could have been an angelic light. ???

Genesis 1:14 NIV
And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night,
and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

Its much deeper than that. These are not my words and I have only done a little bit of research in this area. But I do know it to be true.

"The creation narrative, the genealogy, the flood narrative, the lives of the patriarchs and even the birth of Jesus, they can all be explained as transitions in the sky. Consequently it is possible to accurately determine their dates and time of day."

I'm not an expert on this but I do know that Jesus is in fact a sun diety. And I do know that it seems like Islam, Judaism and Christianity where all made by the same people and are certainly based in astrotheology.

Judaism worship the planet Saturn. They depict it in their symbol of the star, as saturn can be seen by the naked eye and looks like a bright star. There day of worship is "Saturday" for Saturn. The star of Shabbat



Islam worship the moon that is also depicted in their symbol. Their day of worship is Friday. It is said that the name Friday comes from the Pagan Goddess "Freya" and is considered a Goddess of the moon.




Christianity worship the Sun and their day of worship is on Sunday. If the "Son" of God isn't obvious enough for you, images of jesus in alot of cases have the Sun behind his head, like so.



All Abrahamic traditions are rooted in astrology.

 

[Zachariah]

They weren't given Faith. If God doesnt give a person faith to believe, then that means, Christ didnt die for them, and so they consequently are condemned, and must suffer the consequences for their sins.

Faith to be believe in Christ must be granted in behalf of Christ Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Now if He was given for our sins, we will be given Faith with Him Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Sorry but faith has absolutely nothing to do with belief. They are two completely seperate things and using the term "faith to believe" is a contridiction and a dangerouse way to think. Belief is hard like stone, un moving and creates many problems between people. Belief is based in pride and ego. Faith is kinda like an unconditional trust. It is based in God. Faith is like dancing without being self conscious. This is what we call walking on water.

 

[brightfame52]

Zachariah​

Sorry but faith has absolutely nothing to do with belief

Hello, What boat did you just get off ?

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Also in 2 Thess 2:13 the word belief is actually the noun Faith

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

The word belief is pistis which is translated Faith 239 times,

So you havent ca clue. Study before you come making comments like that friend.

 

[quietthinker]

The 4th Commandment is the Sabbath Commandment, correct?
Probably the most controversial of the lot.

yup!

 

[MatthewG]

Isaiah 65:5 Which say, stand by thyself come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burns all day.

 

[quietthinker]

The 4th Commandment is the Sabbath Commandment, correct?
Probably the most controversial of the lot.

yup!

 

[St. SteVen]

... If God doesnt give a person faith to believe, then that means, Christ didnt die for them...

Christ didn't die for them? Yikes!
What do you make of this?

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[St. SteVen]

All Abrahamic traditions are rooted in astrology.

Most that are involved with these religions (although I'm not a sure about Islam)
would object to the idea that their religion is rooted in astrology.
In fact, I'm pretty sure they would deny it outright.

Can these followers unwittingly participate in what is claimed if they are unaware?
As a Christian, I certainly would deny sun worship. Pretty sure Jews would feel the same way about Saturn.

 

[St. SteVen]

Isaiah 65:5 Which say, stand by thyself come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burns all day.

In reference to the Israelites wandering in the wilderness, or what?

 

[brightfame52]

Christ didn't die for them? Yikes!
What do you make of this?

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Right, If a person doesnt believe in Christ, its because they were not of His Sheep that He died for. Jesus said this Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

1 Jn 2:2 is Christs Sheep around the world

 

[MatthewG]

In reference to the Israelites wandering in the wilderness, or what?

False religion.

Go to the context and find out.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
The 4th Commandment is the Sabbath Commandment, correct?
Probably the most controversial of the lot.

yup!

That one can't help but be divisive. Unless you keep it to yourself.

As soon as you claim that the seventh day Sabbath is God's holy day, what does that say about any other day?
And by extension, what does that say about anyone who "observes" another day?

I understand that there is biblical support on both sides of the issue. I spent years in debate on the subject.
Fine folks on both sides of the issue get pretty worked up over it.

I don't consider Sabbatarianism to be a false doctrine.
I respect those who have chosen to observe. They have the freedom to do that.

They do not however have the freedom to say terrible things about
my free-will choice in the matter. But, what else can they do if they really believe it?
Other than keep it to themselves, or share in a non-condemning way about their personal choice.
Unfortunately, if you really believe it, there is no other choice. There's the rub.

Does that make sense?