The Key to all the Parables of Jesus

[VictoryinJesus]

Problem to me is some call all fruit ..fake fruit…fearful any little fruit might go unnoticed and not get called out as fake fruit …so they rather there be no fruit, at all, to prevent any they deem fake fruit. See. Judges of the fruit.

What is the saying? Throwing the baby out with the water?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

But what exactly is the word? What is the actual seed that became flesh?

Thinking about your question. Do you already have an answer to the question? It is a good question. Also I’m considering what had been for their benefit. The word. The Spirit. Hearing His Voice. Became flesh? Where it was no longer seen as for their benefit “the word” but used as a weapon or devise of man against man? Just thinking. What do you say is the word?

 

[Mr E]

Thinking about your question. Do you already have an answer to the question? It is a good question. Also I’m considering what had been for their benefit. The word. The Spirit. Hearing His Voice. Became flesh? Where it was no longer seen as for their benefit “the word” but used as a weapon or devise of man against man? Just thinking. What do you say is the word?

I'm glad you are thinking about it.



It's called the parable of the seed, and I don't have to bother explaining it, because Jesus already did. It could hardly be made more clearly unless we were to ask-- where do babies come from? They come from seed.

Jesus said-- in explaining the parable that the seed is associated with 'the word.' How does the word come, except by messenger?

But where did the seed come from? Well if you look at this watermelon, it's full of seeds and if you take one of these seeds and plant it in some soil, and water it... and give it a little sun, it will grow another plant, and with any luck and if nature takes it's course, in time it will produce another watermelon.

Yes, that explains all future watermelon, but where did this watermelon right here, right now come from? -It came from a watermelon from last season. Every new generation of watermelon comes from a previous generation.... right back to the dawn of time, right back to the creation of watermelon when an original seed was planted in the soil. And that first seed? It came directly from the Creator.

To understand, you'll need this key>>>

1. The Sower is the Son of Man-- the anointed one, the Christ. It's a spiritual concept.
2. The Field is the world, but more specifically, all the inhabitants on the earth-- the soil, is people.
3. The Good Seed are those spiritual descendants from the kingdom of heaven. This is perhaps the most often missed concept, but critical.
4. The Bad Seed are those spiritual offspring of the fallen one.
5. Both kinds of seed are sown in the same soil.
6. The Harvest is at the end of the age.
7. The Harvesters are angels.
8. The Kingdom of Heaven is within.

The seed, Jesus says are 'the people of the kingdom.' The kingdom is the kingdom of heaven, so the people are the people of heaven. These are spiritual "things" (concepts) not earthly (physical things).

In the parable, earthly people (physical people) are not 'the people' in the story at all. Earthly people are the soil. Heavenly/spirit people are the seed. The heavenly/spirit people are the seed that is sown into the soil- the (adam/earth) people. Likewise, unfortunately this is also true of the enemy of the Sower, who sows his spiritual seed (darnel/weed) into the very same soil (earthly people).

Think on this also. See if what I'm saying aligns with what Jesus said in this regard. Check me. Double check me. Don't believe a thing I said because I said. Think it through yourself and see if the spirit in you agrees with the spirit in me. --in this way some have welcomed angels, unaware.

Opportunity knocks. Truth rings.

 

[ChristisGod]

You are thrown off by the fact that you are judging from yourself...a platform of a religious indoctrination.


I follow the apostolic tradition of being centered both on the word AND the Spirit.

The humanistic traditions are seen in the over-simplification of doctrines that cater to the flesh. Making it an "us-and-them" when no such distinction is required. This human tradition champions a religious bigotry that gives God a bad name.

Once people are indoctrinated into believing that they are righteous and everyone else isn't...a Pharisaical practice takes over...that is very hard to undo.

To remedy this apostate behaviour, I suggest going to the cross.

Oh the irony

 

[Mr E]

Sharing here be like........

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Sharing here be like........

 

[Mr E]

I'm exiting this thread. 'Nuff said.

I'll pick up the concept elsewhere for any who might be interested in this key understanding.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I'm exiting this thread. 'Nuff said.

I'll pick up the concept elsewhere for any who might be interested in this key understanding.

Your video reminds me of the verse of the day (yesterday). I love the verse of the day. A random verse that leads to something new to read. Sometimes something familiar, sometimes something I’ve never read.

A song of Ascents
In my trouble I cried to the LORD, and He answered me.
Deliver my Soul, O LORD, from the lying lips, from a deceitful tongue.
What shall be given to you and what more shall be done to you, you deceitful tongue?
Sharp arrows of the warrior, with the [burning] coals of the broom tree.
Woe is me, for I sojourn in Meshech, for i dwell among the tents of kedar!
To long has my soul had its dwelling with those who hate peace.
I am [for] peace,
But when I speak, They are for war.

Reminds me of the man crying “wait, wait, wait…” and unheard being pushed over …they would probably say to wait would be coddling him. Instead, let’s just get it over with.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The Devil knows that verse.

This is why His "ministers" "fake Fruit", like this..

2 Corinthians 11:15

""""""It is not surprising, then, if Satan's servants (ministers) also masquerade as = servants of righteousness"”


Notice the KEY.

They pretend to be "all about RIGHTEOUSNESS".....to "SERVE IT"..... they talk about it, they quote verses....but all they teach is how to do it, vs, how to BECOME IT..

See, the Born again are "Made Righteous" ...""without the deeds of the LAW or WORKS."""

So, the Devil's "righteousness" theology is..>YOU do it....You earn it....you you you, perform, perform, perform.... as its all about YOU trying to be righteous, based on YOUR SELF EFFORT.

That's the Gospel of Works., and that is not The Gospel of the GRACE of God.

Listen,
a real Minister will teach you that its GOD's Righteousness that is Imputed, is charged, is GIVEN to the BELIEVER< ..which is how GOD makes you righteous.

= "The GIFT of Righteousness".

Having BECOME, as born again...> "THE.... Righteousness .... OF GOD....In Christ". "made righteous". by God, through the Blood and Death of Jesus.

My concern is how we perceive parables where there is to us only one right application. For example those poor pathetic foolish virgins who brought no oil for their lamps. The wise snappy ones admired for what they have that the others lack(do not have). Reading it over and over about those who lack and those who have …it becomes “can you give me some oil, my lamp had gone out?” The answer from what is admired “nope, there is not enough for us and you.”

Ignoring if you do it unto one of the least of these, you do it as unto Me. Seems the wise missed His voice (Imo). The bridegroom comes. Knock, knock…no, go to those who sell. There is Jesus Christ in the temple running those who sell out saying His House has been turned into a den of thieves. “Let us wise virgins send those who lack and do not have, to a den of thieves!”

He takes the foolish to confound the wise. What is “ he takes” in the bridegroom comes? Or Christ standing up to say “wake up you who sleep…” he doesn’t say “nope, there is not enough for me and you.” Instead “wake up you who sleep (ten virgins) I will give you Light.” See, a parable to condemn. We say to condemn the foolish. (Who lack) Is that so, or to condemn the wise (who have but won’t give, even when giving to the poor is as ‘to give’ to the bridegroom: I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was naked and you wouldn’t clothe me.)…see how there are not many wise, not many noble among you?

 

[Behold]

My concern is how we perceive parables where there is to us only one right application. For example those poor pathetic foolish virgins who brought no oil for their lamps. The wise snappy ones admired for what the have that the others lack. Reading it over and over about those who lack and those who have …it becomes “can you give me some oil, my lamp had gone out?” The answer from what is admired “nope, there is not enough for us and you.”

Ignoring if you do it unto one of the least of these, you do it as unto Me. Seems the wise missed His voice (Imo). Knock, knock…no, go to those who sell. There is Jesus Christ in the temple running those who sell out saying it’s been turned into a den of thieves. “Let us wise virgins send those who lack to a den of thieves!”

He takes the foolish to confound the wise. What is “take” in the bridegroom comes? Or Christ standing up to say “wake up you who sleep…” he doesn’t say “nope, there is not enough for me and you.” Instead “wake up you who sleep (ten virgins) I will give you Light.” See, a parable to condemn. We say to condemn the foolish. (Who lack) Is that so, or to condemn the wise (who have but won’t share)?

Consider that a born again Christian is not a "foolish virgin".

They are already become the BRIDE, of Christ. "the BODY of Christ".

A BRIDE is already married.
A Bride is already JOINED TO HER HUSBAND.....as "one Flesh".

Jesus is coming back for the BRIDE He has already Married through the Cross. Through His Salvation.. Through their FAITH.


Being BORN AGAIN......."in Christ", "one with God" is a BRIDE of Christ......."JOINED Spiritually"...>"Spiritually UINION". "ONE".

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Consider that a born again Christian is not a "foolish virgin".

Then they wouldn’t admire “nah, there is not enough for me and you.”

 

[Behold]

Then they wouldn’t admire “nah, there is not enough for me and you.”

The born again are the "BODY of Christ".

That is the believer "In Christ" and Jesus "in the Born again". = Spiritual Union.

See that?

That is to become "ONE", in the Spirit, (Spiritual Union with God) that is the Believer, born again as the : BRIDE of Christ.

See, the Bible defines marriage as "2 becoming ONE FLESH". Joined.

This is understood "spiritually" as "one with God'..."In Christ"...."The body of Christ'......Jesus joined to His "BRIDE". The Bride of Christ, who is ONE with Jesus. as Born again "in Christ".

 

[Johann]

Then they wouldn’t admire “nah, there is not enough for me and you.”

You have it backward-

Five of them were wise - Or, provident, φρονιμοι - they took care to make a proper provision beforehand, and left nothing to be done in the last moment.
Five were foolish - Μωροι, which might be translated careless, is generally rendered foolish; but this does not agree so well with φρονιμοι, provident, or prudent, in the first clause, which is the proper meaning of the word. Μωρος in the Etymologicon, is thus defined, μη ὁρᾶ το δεον, he who sees not what is proper or necessary. These did not see that it was necessary to have oil in their vessels, (the salvation of God in their souls), as well as a burning lamp of religious profession, Mat_25:3, Mat_25:4.

And five of them were wise - . The words “wise and foolish,” here, refer only to their conduct; in regard to the oil. The one part was “wise” in taking oil, the other “foolish” in neglecting it. The conduct of those who were “wise” refers to those who are “prepared” for the coming of Christ - prepared by possessing real piety, and not being merely his professed followers. The conduct of those “without” oil expresses the conduct of those who profess to love him, but are destitute of true grace, and are therefore unprepared to meet him. Nothing can be argued from the number here in regard to the proportion of sincere Christians among professors. circumstances in parables are not to be pressed literally. They are necessary to keep up the story, and we must look chiefly or entirely to the scope or design of the parable to understand its meaning. In this parable the scope is to teach us to “watch” or be ready, Mat_25:13. It is not to teach us the relative “number” of those who shall be saved and who shall not. In teaching us to “watch and to be ready,” our Lord gives great additional interest by the circumstances of this narrative; but there is no authority for saying that he meant to teach that just half of professing Christians would be deceived. The moral certainty is that “nothing like” that number will be found to have been hypocrites.
Albert.

μωραὶ
Transliteration: mōrai
Morphology: Adj-NFP
Adjective - Nominative Feminine Plural
Strong's no.: G3474 (μωρός)
Meaning: (a) adj: stupid, foolish, (b) noun: a fool.
φρόνιμοι


Transliteration: phronimoi
Morphology: Adj-NFP
Adjective - Nominative Feminine Plural
Strong's no.: G5429 (φρόνιμος)
Meaning: Intelligent, prudent, sensible, wise.

See if you can figure it out--

Mat 25:3 αἱG3588|T-NPF|The γὰρG1063|CONJ|for μωραὶG3474|A-NPF|foolish, λαβοῦσαιG2983|G5631|V-2AAP-NPF|having taken τὰςG3588|T-APF|the λαμπάδαςG2985|N-APF|lamps αὐτῶνG846|P-GPF|of them, οὐκG3756|PRT-N|not ἔλαβονG2983|G5627|V-2AAI-3P|did take μεθ᾽G3326|PREP|with ἑαυτῶνG1438|F-3GPF|them ἔλαιονG1637|N-ASN|oil;
foolish: Mat_23:25-26; Isa_48:1-2, Isa_58:2; Eze_33:3; 2Ti_3:5; Heb_12:15; Rev_3:1, Rev_3:15-16

 

[VictoryinJesus]

These did not see that it was necessary to have oil in their vessels, (the salvation of God in their souls), as well as a burning lamp of religious profession, Mat_25:3, Mat_25:4.

And five of them were wise - . The words “wise and foolish,” here, refer only to their conduct; in regard to the oil. The one part was “wise” in taking oil, the other “foolish” in neglecting it. The conduct of those who were “wise” refers to those who are “prepared” for the coming of Christ - prepared by possessing real piety, and not being merely his professed followers. The conduct of those “without” oil expresses the conduct of those who profess to love h

2 Corinthians 8:12-15 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man has, and not according to that he has not. [13] For I mean not that other men be eased, and you burdened: [14] But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality: [15] As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.

No?
Backwards?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The born again are the "BODY of Christ".

2 Corinthians 8:12-15 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man has, and not according to that he has not. [13] For I mean not that other men be eased, and you burdened: [14] But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality: [15] As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.

Body of Christ
No?
Backwards?

 

[Behold]

2 Corinthians 8:12-15 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man has, and not according to that he has not. [

6 : The point is this: whoever sows (gives)(tithes)(offerings ) sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Every deed is a spiritual seed that produces a destiny (harvest).

"sowing, and reaping".

"seed time, and harvest"

 

[Lizbeth]

My concern is how we perceive parables where there is to us only one right application. For example those poor pathetic foolish virgins who brought no oil for their lamps. The wise snappy ones admired for what they have that the others lack(do not have). Reading it over and over about those who lack and those who have …it becomes “can you give me some oil, my lamp had gone out?” The answer from what is admired “nope, there is not enough for us and you.”

Ignoring if you do it unto one of the least of these, you do it as unto Me. Seems the wise missed His voice (Imo). The bridegroom comes. Knock, knock…no, go to those who sell. There is Jesus Christ in the temple running those who sell out saying His House has been turned into a den of thieves. “Let us wise virgins send those who lack and do not have, to a den of thieves!”

He takes the foolish to confound the wise. What is “ he takes” in the bridegroom comes? Or Christ standing up to say “wake up you who sleep…” he doesn’t say “nope, there is not enough for me and you.” Instead “wake up you who sleep (ten virgins) I will give you Light.” See, a parable to condemn. We say to condemn the foolish. (Who lack) Is that so, or to condemn the wise (who have but won’t give, even when giving to the poor is as ‘to give’ to the bridegroom: I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was naked and you wouldn’t clothe me.)…see how there are not many wise, not many noble among you?

It's not a parable to condemn any of the virgins, it's a parable to warn so that they do not have to be condemned in the end....if we take it to heart. Oil for our lamps is not something that CAN be shared....that is the point of what is being said there. It's up to the individual to pay the price for it....nobody can count the cost to follow Jesus for somebody else. You are conflating things...."I was hungry and you gave me no food" etc, just doesn't apply to oil for our lamps in the sense that is being spoken of in the parable.

I'm sorry, but you were conflating things with the parable of the sower as well...ascribing a message to the parable that Jesus just didn't intend. It isn't anybody else's fault but the individual if the seed gets eaten by birds (demons - the wicked one, the devil) or trampled or choked by cares etc....the whole point of the parable is the quality of the soil.....how somebody receives the seed in their heart....whether the soil of THEIR heart proves to be good or not good soil.

I don't believe any of that necessarily has to be anyone's permanent condition though.....as long as there is breath I think we can assume there is the potential for repentance and improving the soil of their heart....eg, where scripture says to "Break up your fallow ground." (and the subject of breaking and brokenness is another topic all on its own.) I don't think the Lord gives up on souls easily and neither should we.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

6 : The point is this: whoever sows (gives)(tithes)(offerings ) sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Every deed is a seed that produces a destiny (harvest).

Ephesians 4:9-13 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? [10] He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) [11] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; [12] For the perfecting (equipping) of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

If you want to say it is wrong then that is up to you. Regardless of whether seed or oil the principle is still there that can’t be shunned of those who have in abundance and those who lack. (Imo) it can’t be avoided in the parable of the ten virgins. Unless it is wanted to be avoided. All of Jesus Christs teachings…He became poor that we be made rich.
2 Corinthians 2:1-7 But I determined this with myself, that I would not come again to you in heaviness. [2] For if I make you sorry, who is he then that makes me glad, but the same which is made sorry by me? [3] And I wrote this same unto you, lest, when I came, I should have sorrow from them of whom I ought to rejoice; having confidence in you all, that my joy is the joy of you all. [4] For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that you should be grieved, but that you might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you. [5] But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all. [6] Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. [7] So that contrariwise you ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It's not a parable to condemn any of the virgins, it's a parable to warn so that they do not have to be condemned in the end....if we take it to heart. Oil for our lamps is not something that CAN be shared....that is the point of what is being said there. It's up to the individual to pay the price for it....nobody can count the cost to follow Jesus for somebody else. You are conflating things...."I was hungry and you gave me no food" etc, just doesn't apply to oil for our lamps in the sense that is being spoken of in the parable.

I'm sorry, but you were conflating things with the parable of the sower as well...ascribing a message to the parable that Jesus just didn't intend. It isn't anybody else's fault but the individual if the seed gets eaten by birds (demons - the wicked one, the devil) or trampled or choked by cares etc....the whole point of the parable is the quality of the soil.....how somebody receives the seed in their heart....whether the soil of THEIR heart proves to be good or not good soil.

I don't believe any of that necessarily has to be anyone's permanent condition though.....as long as there is breath I think we can assume there is the potential for repentance and improving the soil of their heart....eg, where scripture says to "Break up your fallow ground." (and the subject of breaking and brokenness is another topic all on its own.) I don't think the Lord gives up on souls easily and neither should we.

I only shared what it means to me. Not forcing anyone to not see it how ever they choose it to speak. Take a look at what is being taught and what is coming from what is taught…asserted as the only perspective that is true. Those who have and those who have not…high mindedness if you would truly take a close look around at what is being taught (the haves and the haves nots). When it is right in front of our face (Imo) but we refuse to acknowledge it because that removes us from a height we don’t want to come down from. (Or that is my opinion not that it matters. Mostly here on the board I have questionable salvation status at best. Which maybe causes me to relate with those told repeatedly that they lack. Which makes me relate then to “will you share some of your extra oil with me then?” I can’t tell you how many times when going to church there I’ve received the snub of the nose from those who claim to have it but don’t want to share it. For the life of me, I can not understand how that is Christ in them …snubbing his nose at me. I’m like…brother are You in there? Why are You rejecting me? I thought You said You love me?”)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It's not a parable to condemn

Can you tell me why if I go into a church and the study is on the ten virgins. If I were to share any of the above about sharing or giving…I would be looked upon as backwards? Told that is not what it means, looked upon as an absurdity for even suggesting such a thing, but how the parable speaks of salvation. (Saving Grace how sweet the sound?)