problem related to praying in tongues

[Ezra]

Those who don't believe in tongues may be part of the problem.

i not sure i can agree with that. even though i do believe in them. because they are listed as a gift. so many focus very heavily on tongues. we have a local apostolic church baptize in Jesus name get to the gift of the Holy Ghost--- tongues. i fear man has created something

 

[1stCenturyLady]

One person at a time. Not choas

Obviously you don't know there are two types of tongues. Mark 16:16-18 and 1 Corinthians 12:4-9.

The first is for everyone individually WITHOUT interpretation. as it isn't even in the list in Mark.

The second is for ministry of receiving messages from God for the profit of all, thus requires interpretation.

1 Corinthians 14 is Paul teaching on the difference between the two.

 

[Ezra]

So the disciples were all sinners on the Day of Pentecost? Get real!

lands No but the lounges then was other languages

The second is for ministry of receiving messages from God for the profit of all, thus requires interpretation.

if i might ask can you receive messages from God with out tongues ? i am a pastor never spoke in tongues i get messages all the time through the holy spirit. i am asking hard straight questions for my understanding of what your saying. so dont get alarmed i upset a person in another forum on the attar call he didnt see it as necessary--i do he got mad accused me of arguing then blocked me

 

[Cassandra]

Unbelief can limit miracles.
Even Jesus was limited in his miracles in his own hometown due to unbelief.

Where did I say anything about unbelief. I said that if tongues is a gift, it does not need to be taught.
The "how to speak in tongues " stuff should not be necessary.


"Those who don't believe in tongues may be part of the problem." Really?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

lands No but the lounges then was other languages

if i might ask can you receive messages from God with out tongues ? i am a pastor never spoke in tongues i get messages all the time through the holy spirit. i am asking hard straight questions for my understanding of what your saying. so dont get alarmed i upset a person in another forum on the attar call he didnt see it as necessary--i do he got mad accused me of arguing then blocked me

God also speaks to me without tongues and interpretation. Those hearing gifts are Word of Wisdom, Word of Knowledge, Prophecy, and Interpretation of tongues. Sometimes we are not to know what must happen in the future, so we are to pray in tongues individually, without interpretation Mark 16:16-18.

 

[Ezra]

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God also speaks to me without tongues and interpretation. Those hearing gifts are Word of Wisdom, Word of Knowledge, Prophecy, and Interpretation of tongues. Sometimes we are not to know what must happen in the future, so we are to pray in tongues individually, without interpretation Mark 16:16-18.

ok so here is another hard line question.. understand this . all i know about tongues is what the word tells me. so no disrespect but i pray every day many times i pray Lord help me. i depend on the Holy spirit to intercede what that help is. i have many battles i fight me-- world flesh and satan. a job i am not happy with looking for a different one etc.. so explain how my prayer life would be better if i prayed in tongues ? at this point i am not convinced it would benefit me. . i pray for the sick the lost the Church i pastor my family some times the prayer comes through like i request all prayer and supplication the fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.. i have no righteousness other than what Christ done for me and gave me justification .. none of that mentions praying in lounges if memory serves right. that subject is mentioned only once

 

[1stCenturyLady]

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ok so here is another hard line question.. understand this . all i know about tongues is what the word tells me. so no disrespect but i pray every day many times i pray Lord help me. i depend on the Holy spirit to intercede what that help is. i have many battles i fight me-- world flesh and satan. a job i am not happy with looking for a different one etc.. so explain how my prayer life would be better if i prayed in tongues ? at this point i am not convinced it would benefit me. . i pray for the sick the lost the Church i pastor my family some times the prayer comes through like i request all prayer and supplication the fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.. i have no righteousness other than what Christ done for me and gave me justification .. none of that mentions praying in lounges if memory serves right. that subject is mentioned only once

Don't worry about praying in tongues yet. No one can pray in tongues anyway until they have repented and been born again of the Spirit. Yes, the Holy Spirit is drawing you, but if you are still struggling with sin and Satan then you've never been circumcised without hands. That circumcision cuts off sin and Satan's influence on your nature and nails it to the cross and is performed by our High Priest, Jesus. Then once cleansed He will fill you with His Spirit and you will no longer be in the flesh, but in the Spirit. Romans 8:9. In other words, you will have a clean nature that has the Holy Spirit inside empowering you to not sin willfully again. Those are lawlessness that are sins unto death like murder, lying, stealing, adultery, etc.. You are possibly in a denomination that teaches Defeatism, not the Victory we actually find in Jesus. They say instead that we will always sin while in these bodies. That is extreme error, and the cause of your struggles. They prevent you from the power of God in the gospel. Romans 1:16-17.

There is another type of sin that we can grow spiritually out of called sins NOT unto death. 1 John 5:18. When we receive the Holy Spirit He plants the fruit of the Spirit, but they need time to grow. Sins not unto death are from immature fruit. Read 2 Peter 1:2-11, especially 5-7 on growing these fruit to maturity.

 

[Ezra]

Don't worry about praying in tongues yet. No one can pray in tongues anyway until they have repented and been born again of the Spirit. Yes, the Holy Spirit is drawing you,

seriously ? you make it sound as if i am lost i am not worried about praying in tongues . you have veered of course .you have explained nothing about tongues

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Unbelief can limit miracles.
Even Jesus was limited in his miracles in his own hometown due to unbelief.

Where did I say anything about unbelief.

You didn't.
I introduced that as a reason for inhibiting the miracle of tongues.

I said that if tongues is a gift, it does not need to be taught.
The "how to speak in tongues " stuff should not be necessary.

Interesting that those who don't speak in tongues want to instruct those who do.

"Those who don't believe in tongues may be part of the problem." Really?

Yes.
Cessationism is the anti-gifts doctrine taught in most churches.
Those coming out of those churches may have to struggle against that ingrained unbelief.

 

[Ezra]

Interesting that those who don't speak in tongues want to instruct those who do.

i see those who speak in tongues wanting to instruct those who dont. the only reason i am in this post is i am looking for concrete evidence backed by the Bible . that lounges are for the church of today.

 

[Davy]

I have never... met anyone who speaks the gibberish tongue that believes in a Post-tribulational coming by Christ and gathering of His Church that is written in God's Word.

Everyone I've met that speaks the gibberish tongue wrongly believes in a false Pre-tribulational rapture theory.

 

[St. SteVen]

I have never... met anyone who speaks the gibberish tongue that believes in a Post-tribulational coming by Christ and gathering of His Church that is written in God's Word.

Everyone I've met that speaks the gibberish tongue wrongly believes in a false Pre-tribulational rapture theory.

Not sure what you mean by "gibberish". You don't understand it? (duh)
Unless you have the gift of interpretation, you wouldn't. - LOL

I'm not Pre-Trib...
Currently Post-Toasties. - LOL
(I've been to the Eschatology section of this forum)

And frankly, like many things, there are differing views about such things.
No reason to condemn everyone that disagrees with your personal opinion.

 

[dev553344]

problem related to praying in tongues

Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Matt 26:36
Then Jesus came with them to a garden called Gethsemane, and he said to his disciples: "Sit down here while I go and pray yonder."

Source: Search: "pray garden"

Praying like in Pentecostal / Charismatic Churches violates the teaching of Jesus above.

I've never prayed in tongues, but I have received revelation from God that words cannot describe. One time he gave me a whole paragraph of information in a split second. I would suspect that if you don't understand what your saying or hearing then it is probably useless and not from God.

There is some information about the devil and his angels using a foreign language. But I suppose God could do that also so I dunno.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

seriously ? you make it sound as if i am lost i am not worried about praying in tongues . you have veered of course .you have explained nothing about tongues

All believers can speak in unknown tongues, and don't need interpretation. We are praying God's perfect will by the Spirit.

We can also heal the sick and raise the dead.

We can cast out demons.

We can also enjoy divine protection, the meaning of the Hebrew idiom about picking up serpents and drinking poison. To do those things willfully is presumption, testing God and a sin.

Mark 16:16-18

 

[dev553344]

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

I think that pretty much says it.

 

[Ezra]

We can also heal the sick and raise the dead.

We can cast out demons.

no Christ through us still looking for concrete evidence all i have seen is motor mix

 

[St. SteVen]

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

I think that pretty much says it.

Context?

1 Corinthians 14:39 NIV
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

 

[dev553344]

Context?

1 Corinthians 14:39 NIV
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

Sure if someone of a different language was there to understand it then it's OK.

The apostles spoke the gospel to the crowds in Jerusalem, and what they said could be understood by people speaking many different languages: “… we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” Acts 2:11. What does the Bible say about speaking in tongues?

You also need to read the context, which I already posted that God is not the author of confusion.

 

[Davy]

Not sure what you mean by "gibberish". You don't understand it? (duh)
Unless you have the gift of interpretation, you wouldn't. - LOL

I'm not Pre-Trib...
Currently Post-Toasties. - LOL
(I've been to the Eschatology section of this forum)

And frankly, like many things, there are differing views about such things.
No reason to condemn everyone that disagrees with your personal opinion.

You're being funny, right?

My posts have been very clear, and especially the YouTube video I put up by a concerned Charismatic that revealed the 'gibberish' tongue associated with eastern religion's Kundalini cults. If one who claims to speak an "unknown tongue" that cannot be understood by all present, then that... is the false gibberish tongue from the devil. That's what demon possession is like, uncontrollably rolling around the floor, barking like an animal, etc.

 

[St. SteVen]

Sure if someone of a different language was there to understand it then it's OK.

Nope.

Five Different Uses of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language (worship/edification)
2) Intercessory prayer language (prayer ministry)
3) A prophetic message for a congregation
4) Singing in the Spirit
5) Evangelistic language (like at Pentecost)

There are more uses...

The apostles spoke the gospel to the crowds in Jerusalem, and what they said could be understood by people speaking many different languages: “… we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” Acts 2:11. What does the Bible say about speaking in tongues?

That was the outpouring at Pentecost.
Which is #5 in my list above.

You also need to read the context, which I already posted that God is not the author of confusion.

Speaking in tongues is not confusion. God understands perfectly.

Interesting that those who don't speak in tongues want to instruct those who do for some reason. Why?