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Naomanos

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Mink, kindly refrain from victim blaming, whether me or anyone else

The simple fact is that there is no point in anyone becoming a Christian if all that will happen is they get attacked by Satan (actually this started happening before I self baptised) and other Christians are perfectly fine with it. Well I am not. Nobody should be attacked by Satan whether Christian or not. Screw him and let us out.

I don't see that post as victim blaming. It was a good post.
 
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Nah it wasn't. It was condemning and judging and quite frankly I have had enough of that.

I think your reading into that post. It neither condemned tou or judge you. The post was to help you.
 

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Is God more concerned with the condition of my heart or with my smoking? I already have resolved the answer to this, but what do you think? Not to justify it because I’m not stupid and know I would be way more healthy if I quit. I also would be more healthy if I avoided processed foods like fast food. And ate fresh. And I would be more healthy if I walked more, and exercised more. Coming from the message of it is all about Christ and saved by Grace don’t assume there has been no victory in Jesus based off the smoking. Isn’t that based of works of the flesh?

I have a question for you. I went to a Christian convention. Thinking how in the world am I going to make it four days at the beach with buses full of church members while craving a cigarette. I did smoke. Did I feel ashamed or judged..absolutely. This is the question for you though …every one at the convention held up their coffees (Starbucks) on stage, talking about getting their fuel to be ready to worship …selling it in lines at the convention. Coffee is a stimulant also. don’t think I’m judging coffee because I drink it too. But I’m asking if you see any contradiction in holding up coffee as A-ok while smoking means there has been no victory in Jesus. To me…the Victory in Jesus is there is no more condemnation in Him. Who decides to overlook coffee but condemn the smoker? Just curious…
There is a huge difference between smoking that causes cancer and drinking coffee.

In fact many doctors recommend coffee in moderation with healthy benefits.


 

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For instance I once met a woman who started talking about how she had been raped at one point in her life. Did I say she was somehow to blame by dressing inappropriately or inviting advances or that she should just get over it and do x, y and z (as if I have any right to tell her what to do).

Nope I just stood there and listened. Actually it shocked me that a woman would just approach a man she had never met and talk about being raped.
 
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There is a huge difference between smoking that causes cancer and drinking coffee.

In fact many doctors recommend coffee in moderation with healthy benefits.


Ok. I love coffee but it doesn’t love me. The caffeine making my heart race and skip beats.
 
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Mink, kindly refrain from victim blaming, whether me or anyone else

The simple fact is that there is no point in anyone becoming a Christian if all that will happen is they get attacked by Satan (actually this started happening before I self baptised) and other Christians are perfectly fine with it. Well I am not. Nobody should be attacked by Satan whether Christian or not. Screw him and let us out.
Oh, stop. No one is "victim blaming". Sheesh.

In all honesty Apache, you came here because you were looking for an answer. WHY oh WHY did God choose to unleash satan upon you once you self-baptized, after ALL YOU'VE DONE, like caring for a barking dog for 10 years, and let other Christians 'slide'?

You said yourself that not ALL Christians experienced what *you* experienced. What I tried to propose to you is that they may have experienced worse than you got. But you're so wrapped up in the "poor ME" stance, that you can't see that.

I don't WHY Apache, but I get a 'feeling' about you. Your 'journey' is JUST beginning. And I 'feel' that after some time has passed, you're going to be a strong asset in the Christian community.

While you claim that "nobody should be attacked by satan...", where is THAT written? Why not?

This whole Christian life is a test. Not a test because God doesn't know the outcome, but because WE don't know. I can decide to be a Christian, but what does that even mean? Does that mean I'll never suffer from another hardship again? Did you self-baptize because you figured if you did, that God would 'smile' upon you?

Jesus told us that if we persevere through the end (of our lives) we will be saved. He NEVER said that there wouldn't be any hardships during that time.

Sorry Apache, but I don't see you as a 'victim'. You're 41/42 years old, and because you don't have what you think you 'deserve'...after being through the non-stop barking dog for 10+ years, you seem to think that you're "owed" the 'good life' by God.

Maybe change your attitude, and things will fall into place...

Then again, you won't. As long as you believe that God "owes" you...
 
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Mink you are a terrible Christian and need to go away and learn what the word compassion means

Don't bother posting anymore of your self righteous drivel as you are on ignore

I really don't understand what makes people think they should just go in to a thread and lecture the OP
 

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God was so good to Adam and Eve. He gave them perfection. They were so innocent that their nakedness was of no issue. There was no lust. No sin. No worries. No troubles. No burdens. No death of loved ones. God said that they could eat of all the lovely trees, except the one tree of death that was forbidden. Why did Adam and Eve have to eat of that tree of death when there were so many wonderful trees that our loving God gave them? What a different world it would be today if Adam & Eve would have loved God with all of their hearts and not eaten of that one particular tree.
 
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God was so good to Adam and Eve. He gave them perfection. They were so innocent that their nakedness was of no issue. There was no lust. No sin. No worries. No troubles. No burdens. No death of loved ones. God said that they could eat of all the lovely trees, except the one tree of death that was forbidden. Why did Adam and Eve have to eat of that tree of death when there were so many wonderful trees that our loving God gave them? What a different world it would be today if Adam & Eve would have loved God with all of their hearts and not eaten of that one particular tree.

Entrapment. Left to their own devices without anyone else interfering they never ate from the tree

Says it all when Eve points this out and she is the one exiled to this planet while the serpent gets to remain in the spirit realm
 

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Entrapment. Left to their own devices without anyone else interfering they never ate from the tree

Says it all when Eve points this out and she is the one exiled to this planet while the serpent gets to remain in the spirit realm
PROVERBS CHAPTER 26 KJV

3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

****4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

****5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

6 He that sendeth a message by the hand of a fool cutteth off the feet, and drinketh damage.
 
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Yes enough already of your immaturity Keturah. No one is forcing you to read or post in this thread
 

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Mink you are a terrible Christian and need to go away and learn what the word compassion means

Don't bother posting anymore of your self righteous drivel as you are on ignore

I really don't understand what makes people think they should just go in to a thread and lecture the OP
You seem to want people to coddle to you...to explain WHY *YOU*...this "wonderful awesome Christian" has had to suffer so much, since you decided to join the Christian community.

Seriously?

You want "compassion" for YOUR plight. Do you have compassion for MINE? Ever occur to you that MINE may have been worse than yours?
What do you REALLY want from God, or this community? Almost EVERYONE here has given you good advice...SOUND advice, and yet you challenge them. Seriously, WHAT do you WANT?
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Sympathy? Oh, "poor you"? "I'll PRAY for you."?

You first came here asking if you 'grieved' the Holy Spirit. You didn't get answers, and was vocal about that.

O.k. Here's your answer: YEAH! You grieved the Holy Spirit by not getting baptized, and thinking it was o.k. to baptize yourself, even though that's not a biblical doctrine. Like I said before, JESUS was baptized! He didn't baptize himself.

You just might wanna start THERE...
 
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Yes enough already of your immaturity Keturah. No one is forcing you to read or post in this thread
 YOU have been given the word of God, good advice & encouragement!
Be it on your own head now!
 
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So called Christians should really refrain from posting here and go join a forum they are best suited to where they can hang out with fellow hostile people.

Right, troll Keturah
 

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So called Christians should really refrain from posting here and go join a forum they are best suited to where they can hang out with fellow hostile people.

Right, troll Keturah
What do you expect "so-called" Christians to do, once they've heard a story like yours?

Coddle you? Some Christians here HAVE coddled you, and you've completely IGNORED them, not giving any thanks.

Seriously dude, what do you WANT? A bunch of Christians have given you sympathy...empathy...yet, it doesn't seem to be enough.

*scratching my head* WHAT do you WANT?
 
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Oh go away Mink and do something constructive with your life

Really, if I don't like what an OP is posting I do something else with my time not make troll posts