One Creed to live by and die for...

[Behold]

As I said, read and study those two verses.

Ive studied them.

That is why im posting 30 more that teach "Deity of Christ".

Maybe you should study the 30, and let go of the 2, for a few days.

Sometimes common sense is the way out of a Cult's Theology that has you in the DARK.

Listen...

"How to study the NT"..

1.) Every verse that is written before the CROSS was RAISED, has to be SEEN, discerned in the LIGHT of the CROSS, because the Cross brought in a New Covenant that changed everything that came before, regarding the OLD Covenant.

2.) When 50 verses all say YES>.........and 2 verses say NO.......then you understand that the 50 are the DOCTRINE<, even if your cult says....."the 2 are the doctrine".

Remember i told you that... as that can change your entire Faith from broken to REAL

 

[ChristisGod]

Not so...the Apostle John focused on his flesh nature as does the Apostle Paul.


Okay so you then contradict yourself hmmm.


Scripture only states Christ as fully man.


So nothing above is found in the Word of God which is why you dont have any supporting text.


Let's leave your theological musings for now.


Notice the focus?

For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people's sins against them. 2 Cor. 5:19

You exegesis assumes God is Christ which takes it well beyond what is taught by the Apostles.

The question you need to ask is "Why was God manifesting Himself "through" Christ in the flesh!"

Try speaking to that in your reply.


Again, I can only suggest you honor the work of the Apostles and speak to Christ's nature, as they did. I see the type of men you draw on your understanding and faith from which is why I suggest you turn your attention to them.

God manifestation is the theme of Scripture as per Christs own word:

'My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me' John 7:16-18

John testified that "For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit" as Moses predicted in Deut 18:18, concerning the Christ:

'I will put my (Gods) words in his (Jesus) mouth, and he (Jesus) shall speak unto them all that I (God) shall command him. And it shall be, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.'

The fulfillment of this is the Word made Flesh. The Word-Flesh recalled attention to what Moses had written and said:

[48] He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. [49] For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. John 12:47

'the words of eternal life.'

F2F

Try sticking with the text which comes from 1 John 4- everthing you just posted is eisegesis whereas I gave exegesis of the text.

 

[amigo de christo]

Ive studied them.

That is why im posting 30 more that teach "Deity of Christ".

Maybe you should study the 30, and let go of the 2, for a few days.

GOD SPOKE and it was . And that is the beauty of it .
JESUS IS THE WORD of GOD and GOD IS HIS WORD As HE is His SPIRIT .
And john wrote it best . The attack upon the diety of Christ has grown massive now .
The reason we see it growing more and more within christendom is because this was planned out .
THE RELIGOINS MUST UNITE AND BELIEVE WE ALL SERVE the SAME GOD .
SO all religoins must be seen as equals . JESUS being WHO HE IS , well that gets in the way of their goals .
CAUSE if JESUS IS TRULY THE WORD OF GOD AND GOD HIS WORD
THEN how can all religions be equal paths to GOD . They cant . JESUS had to be stripped of HIS GODHOOD
This has specially grown large as of the last twenty five years .

 

[Behold]

GOD SPOKE and it was . And that is the beauty of it .
JESUS IS THE WORD of GOD and GOD IS HIS WORD As HE is His SPIRIT .
And john wrote it best . The attack upon the diety of Christ has grown massive now .
The reason we see it growing more and more within christendom is because this was planned out .
THE RELIGOINS MUST UNITE AND BELIEVE WE ALL SERVE the SAME GOD .
SO all religoins must be seen as equals . JESUS being WHO HE IS , well that gets in the way of their goals .
CAUSE if JESUS IS TRULY THE WORD OF GOD AND GOD HIS WORD
THEN how can all religions be equal paths to GOD . They cant . JESUS had to be stripped of HIS GODHOOD
This has specially grown large as of the last twenty five years .

IN Genesis 2:6 ,, God gave the Holy Spirit to Adam. "God BREATHED the Holy Spirit ".

In John 20:22, .. Jesus said to the 11. "He BREATHED the Holy Spirit and told them, receive".......


That is GOD, doing the same thing, .... 2x, in those verses.

Only God can give the Holy Spirit.

"Christ is THAT Spirit" and.... "God is A Spirit".

= The Holy Spirit

3 are ONE.


Jesus said..>"I and my Father, are ONE"

Jesus said..>"if you've seen me, you've seen the Father"

Jesus said..>"You believe in GOD.......believe also in ME"

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[Michiah-Imla]

There is one thing the spirit of antichrist will deny and that is they will deny He is God in the flesh- that He is fully God and fully man.

Problem is there’s no scripture to support this assertion.

This is what the Bible says (let’s stick to that):

GOD DIDN’T COME IN THE FLESH, CHRIST DID​

“…every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist…” (1 John 4:3)

IF YOU SAY JESUS IS GOD, YOU DENY HE IS THE CHRIST, AND:​

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)

To deny that Jesus is the Christ is to deny the Father and the Son.​

 

[face2face]

Ive studied them.

Okay

 

[Michiah-Imla]

IN Genesis 2:6 ,, God gave the Holy Spirit to Adam. "God BREATHED the Holy Spirit ".

In John 20:22, .. Jesus said to the 11. "He BREATHED the Holy Spirit and told them, receive".......


That is GOD, doing the same thing, .... 2x, in those verses.

Only God can give the Holy Spirit.

"Christ is THAT Spirit" and.... "God is A Spirit".

= The Holy Spirit

3 are ONE.


Jesus said..>"I and my Father, are ONE"

Jesus said..>"if you've seen me, you've seen the Father"

Jesus said..>"You believe in GOD.......believe also in ME"

It’s foolish to hijack and assign scriptures to your assumptions…

But it sows discord amongst the brethren:

“These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies…

and he that soweth discord among brethren.” (Proverbs 6:16-19)​

 

[Behold]

Problem is there’s no scripture to support this assertion.

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"God manifested in the Flesh"

"And the Word was God"

"Jesus is the Word made flesh".

"And the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us"

"Jesus,, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be Equal with God"""

Jesus said 'I and my Father are One"

Jesus said.."if you've see me, you've SEEN the Father".

Jesus said..>"you believe in God....Believe also in ME"

Jesus said....>"I am from above, and you are from below".

Heaven = Above
Earth = below

So, pre-incarnate Jesus was ... John 1. "the WORD was GOD".

See, God is the FATHER, and Jesus is the WORD, pre-incarnate.

Jesus is the "WORD made flesh"., and the "WORD was God"..... John 1

Jesus is "God manifested (born) in the Flesh". 1 Timothy 3:16

This is why when you read John 1:10 that explains that Jesus MADE THE WORLD.........its easy to understand the : DIETY of CHRIST.


"Jesus was in the world and the world was MADE by Him"

"God Spoke", and "Jesus is the Word, made flesh"

"Jesus said, I am from above, and you are from below".

Jesus is the "God Man".

 

[face2face]

Try sticking with the text which comes from 1 John 4- everthing you just posted is eisegesis whereas I gave exegesis of the text.

What you teach is the philosophical ramblings of men. As I said, speak to the Apostles - they understood the true nature of Christ.

 

[Behold]

GOD DIDN’T COME IN THE FLESH, CHRIST DID​

Genesis 1

God spoke creation into existence and Pre-incarnate Jesus is the WORD.

God Spoke = Jesus is the WORD made FLESH". "God manifested in the Flesh".

See it?

John 1:10 says that Jesus made the World. = Colossians 1:16 explains clearly that this is Jesus, as the pre-incarnate WORD.

Jesus said "all power is given to me in Heaven and on Earth".... = Thats God.

Thomas said...>"my Lord and my God", and God didn't correct Him when Thomas said this to God.

Jesus said....>"if you've seen me, you've SEEN the Father"

Jesus said.>"I and my Father are ONE"

In Genesis 1..... God BREATHED into Adam the Holy Spirit
and..
In John 20:22, "Jesus BREATHED on the Apostles and said, receive you the Holy Spirit.""""
(Only God can give the Holy Spirit)......and you just read it.

"If you have not the Spirit of God in you, then you are none of God's" = "Christ in you, the Hope of Glory"... "Christ is THAT Spirit".

A. ) "GOD is a SPIRIT"

Moses asked God...."what is your name........." God said.....I am that I am"""

Jesus said, "Before Abraham was....= .I AM"

"Let us make man in OUR Image"... = God the Father, and God the Word

 

[Behold]

As I said, speak to the Apostles - they understood the true nature of Christ.

True :

Thomas an apostle said......To Jesus....."My Lord and my God".

 

[Behold]

It’s foolish to hijack and assign scriptures to your assumptions…

Verses <

Look again.

IN Genesis 2:6 ,, God gave the Holy Spirit to Adam. "God BREATHED the Holy Spirit ".

In John 20:22, .. Jesus said to the 11. "He BREATHED the Holy Spirit and told them, receive".......


That is GOD, doing the same thing, .... 2x, in those verses.

Only God can give the Holy Spirit.

"Christ is THAT Spirit" and.... "God is A Spirit".

= The Holy Spirit

3 are ONE.


Jesus said..>"I and my Father, are ONE"

Jesus said..>"if you've seen me, you've seen the Father"

Jesus said..>"You believe in GOD.......believe also in ME"

 

[face2face]

True :

Thomas an apostle said......To Jesus....."My Lord and my God".

Correct! Now explain it with the Apostles understanding of God manifestation?
It's clear for you to see - empty your mind and learn.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Genesis 1

God spoke creation into existence and Pre-incarnate Jesus is the WORD.

God Spoke = Jesus is the WORD made FLESH". "God manifested in the Flesh".

See it?

John 1:10 says that Jesus made the World. = Colossians 1:16 explains clearly that this is Jesus, as the pre-incarnate WORD.

Jesus said "all power is given to me in Heaven and on Earth".... = Thats God.

Thomas said...>"my Lord and my God", and God didn't correct Him when Thomas said this to God.

Jesus said....>"if you've seen me, you've SEEN the Father"

Jesus said.>"I and my Father are ONE"

In Genesis 1..... God BREATHED into Adam the Holy Spirit
and..
In John 20:22, "Jesus BREATHED on the Apostles and said, receive you the Holy Spirit.""""
(Only God can give the Holy Spirit)......and you just read it.

"If you have not the Spirit of God in you, then you are none of God's" = "Christ in you, the Hope of Glory"... "Christ is THAT Spirit".

A. ) "GOD is a SPIRIT"

Moses asked God...."what is your name........." God said.....I am that I am"""

Jesus said, "Before Abraham was....= .I AM"

"Let us make man in OUR Image"... = God the Father, and God the Word

Why is it that the most serious warning in scripture regarding the Antichrist is destitute of the words: “deny Jesus is God”?

You cannot superimpose your assumptions into the text.

That’s a grave error.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@Behold

All of those scripture citations aren’t evidence.

You’ve just been taught that they are…

None of the scriptures elevate what you believe nor warn the saints that heretics would deny the “god-man”.

 

[Behold]

Why is the most serious warning in scripture regarding the Antichrist destitute of the words: “deny Jesus is God”?

God became a man.

Jesus said....."I am from ABOVE" = John 1. "the WORD was God"

"Jesus is the Word made flesh".

Before "God the WORD" became a MAN, named JESUS, He was this..

"Let US make man in OUR image"

Our = 2

US = 2

1.) God the Father, and 2.) pre-incarnate Jesus the "WORD made Flesh, who dwelt among us"

Add the HOLY SPIRIT and you get 3 in 1.

"Trinity"


This is "baby believer" stuff, reader.
Its not advanced revelation.
Its the 1st principles, theology.

It's Theology 101-A.

Amazing that so called "christians" want to FIGHT the Deity of Christ.

Pick a better fight, as you lost that one when GOD became a virgin born man and died on the Cross.....2000 yrs ago.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

This is "baby believer" stuff, reader.

If it were “baby believer” stuff, it would have been spelled out in “baby” terms.

Something like:

“Jesus is God.”

It wouldn’t be hidden in ambiguous language.

Even the Apostle Paul called what you boldly proclaim as “clear” like this:

“…the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ…” (Colossians 2:2)​

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Pick a better fight, as you lost that one

“Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.” (Psalms 40:4)​

 

[Wrangler]

It don't work because you belief in another YHWH of an actual plurality I afraid, and only 3,

It’s an invention that a plural word means 3 and only 3. It has no application outside a theologically driven motive.

• Molecules
• Cars
• Cats
• Dogs

None of them refer only 3. Then there are words that are plural in syntax but could be singular in context. ‘I caught a fish’ refers to one. ‘The fish don’t bite when it is hot’ refers to plural.

Enoch is fixated on supporting his doctrine with any rational. Fish is plural AND means 3 and only 3. Oh my. What creative invention.