Four Times People Physically Tried To Kill JESUS, But He Would Not Let Them Until He Decided When = Luke 4;24-31

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ChristisGod

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You are still avoiding my queries once again.

Still, let me answer your question again and with a different take, one that aligns with scripture, a very important difference thus is shown in my answer.

Yes, Christ is easily compared to his Father God because he was created for this purpose, number one. He was given many of the attributes and characteristics humanly possible that he can/could understand and function with that were necessary for the completion of his mission on earth and now in heaven. Many of the prophets also possessed the same attributes and characteristics of God the Father, although on a temporary basis. As it depended on the function and what God's purpose was with these anointed ones.

Now as you know scripture says that the Son of God is the perfect image or mosaic of his Father in many ways and given many of his attributes although not his actual core attributes such as his own spirit and word or mind/expression. God is not in the business of creating a species of himself if you get my drift....like spawning new gods of his DNA....

So at this point let me make it clear to you that the Son can easily be compared to his Father, his God, as he was given selective attributes important to his Father. So they are NOT all the same, the son does NOT have all the attributes of his Father and this is logical and scriptural. Now do not get confused with the phrases such as the fullness of God etc. This means something else completely...for another topic of discussion.

The Father is omnipotent and all knowing and almighty the Son does not have these core attributes of his Father God.
As I just said the Father's own personality and spirit is not up for spiritual medical transplant into a human being as another species of himself.

The Father's word or mind and expression is also not up for calving up or seeding into any of his creations. It is a primal makeup of his personality. Christ had a human mind whilst on earth and still has a human mind driven and possessed by his Father today. The Son is still the word of his Father God today as he was when he was on earth. Yes, the word of his Father dwells in his Son . The Son thus shared(s) his Father's word although it is NOT the Son's word or mind. He is just sharing his Father God's word or expression to perform miraculous deed for example. I hope this critical point is very clear.

So the Father shares his word with him although the human son being the exact same mind or expression or word is not possible. They are not of the same substance for sure. One is the Creator the other the created being. They are two distinct beings and personalities.

Even a genuine believer possesses some of the same traits and attributes of God as the Son has, in a less powerful capacity and more sedated fashion whilst in this form of human flesh....and we are not of the same substance as the Father God, although we are of the same substance as the Son - human, not a deity. We are human beings with human personalities, we are sons of man. The Father God is alone, one unique, the sole creator, and his Son is the closest human person to him in thought and action. And now he is the saviour of mankind indeed. Made possible only by his Father, his God and ours.

I should generate up a thread on 'the Creed that matters' about the original untampered Shema of the OT. It need to be added into this discussion for sure. All other Creeds are worthless in comparison and should not be entertained or believed in. These Creeds were the work of religious philosophers who thought they could reinvent Christianity, even reinvent a new YHWH for themselves.
Adam was created in the image of God made perfect and failed miserably. Christ is no mere man and no man could ever say and do the things Christ says and did unless He was God. That’s the plain and simple truth conveyed in scripture.
 

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Adam was created in the image of God made perfect and failed miserably. Christ is no mere man and no man could ever say and do the things Christ says and did unless He was God. That’s the plain and simple truth conveyed in scripture.
Keep on knocking on the false door and you will never get to see or experience the door of truth open up for and to you.

Have a great great week for peace, rest and rethinking your spirituality; and in particular the nature of your Father God and your lord your human immortal savior who God resurrected from the dead for us mere human mortals.
 

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Everyone says "I am." Doesn't mean they are God.

Invoking such an argument shows how weak the overall claim is.
Jesus is Great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, the Lord God Almighty , the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

These passages in Revelation make it clear that Jesus is God. Remember it is Jesus in the NT who is Coming back to earth that every eye will see. It was Jesus who was pierced on the cross for our sins. John is clearly once again calling Jesus God!!!!!!! The Coming and the coming in the clouds never refers to the Father in the NT but always to Jesus.

Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

We know from Revelation 1:8 that Alpha and Omega is the Almighty. So we can see that Christ is the Almighty

Revelation 1:17

17And when I saw Him, I fell at his feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I Am the first and the last:

We know from Revelation 1:17-18 that the first and the last is He that lives, was dead but is alive forevermore is Christ.

Revelation 2:8

"To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.

Revelation 22:12-13
12 "Behold, I Am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

We know from Revelation 22:13 that the first and the last is the Alpha and Omega.

Revelation 22:16,20

16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I Am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

The immediate text clearly tells us that it was Jesus who was pierced and who is Coming in the clouds. This person coming in the clouds is God(Jesus-the Son of Man),

Daniel 7:13-14

And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14 "And to Him was given dominion,
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations and men of every language
Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.

Matthew 24:30-31
30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64
Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

1 Thessalonians 4:17-18
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."


Conclusion: So we can see that the One who comes/is coming in the NT always refers to Jesus the Son of Man and NEVER refers to the Father. Therefore we can conclude it is Jesus who is coming whom John calls God the Alpha and Omega. This is sound biblical exegesis based on the context of the passage as well as the principle established in both Testaments on the One who is Coming in/with the Clouds- The Son of Man not the Father !!!!!!

Isaiah 44:6

Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.

Isaiah 48:12
"Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.

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You need to be honest with the text . The same construction in the Greek for both passages. Christ is called Lord/ Savior and God/Savior in both of them . You cannot have your theological biased cake and eat it too . You cannot have it both ways as the text will not allow your biased view.

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I already showed you about our lord.... Lets's review the word.... Savior... Shall we...

I imagine by now you may be arguing with me and saying something like this: Well, if Jesus is not God in human flesh what you say to the Scriptures that say only God can save? After all, God says, "I, even I, am the LORD; and there is no Savior besides me" (Isaiah 40 3:11). If Jesus is not God and there are two saviors! And this is something the Bible here clearly excludes.

We have already seen a strong argument against the idea that God became man in order to redeem us is that there is not one single Old Testament prophecy that supports it. Not one verse foretells that God himself was going to become a man in order to save us. The opposite is the case. The prophets predicted a human being who would under God's anointing Spirit rescue us.

Wherein lies the solution? Ah, let's now read this through our Hebrew eyes and see what a difference it makes. Remember that dictum the Jews had about the law of agency where "the agent is as the principal himself"? It applies right here.

Let's go back to Exodus 23. You remember that we used this chapter earlier to illustrate the Hebrew law of agency. We saw that the angel of the Lord acted in God's stead. What the angel did in said was really what God himself did and said, for "My name is in him" (v. 21). In verse 23 Jehovah explained, "For My angel will go before you and bring you into the land of the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Canaanites, the Hivities and the Jebusites; and I will completely destroy them." The angel was the instrument through whom God destroyed the enemies.

Now let's proceed on in the chapter. God says to the Israelites, "I will send my terror ahead of you… I will make all your enemies turn their backs to you. And I will send hornets ahead of you, that they may drive out the Hivities, the Canaanites, and the Hittites before you" (v. 27-28).

To our understanding this sounds as if the LORD himself is going to do the work. But when we come to verse 31: "I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand, and you will drive them out before you." So God expects the Israelites to drive their enemies out. Is there a contradiction here? Will God Himself drive out their enemies or will the Israelites do it? We note the principle again and again. God says He will act when in fact He is going to empower his angels and his people to do the work.

This kind of talk has a thorough Hebrew feel about it. Actions that are directly ascribed to God are in fact carried out by his commissioned agents. Take another instance: "in the LORD… he saved them by the hand of Jeroboam" (2 Kings 14:27).

Once again we observe the clear distinction between God who is the ultimate Author of deliverance and his appointed agent who in this case was King Jeroboam. Or take this verse: "therefore you did deliver them into the hands of the oppressors who oppressed them. But when they cry to You in the time of their distress, You did hear from heaven, and according to Your great compassion You did give them deliverers who delivered them from the hand of their it oppressors" (Nehemiah 9:27).

Is often been argued that the very name Jesus, which means "Yahweh saves," prove Jesus is Jehovah because "he will save his people from their sins" (Matt 1:21). But the logic is not consistently applied because the O.T. name Joshua means "Yahweh saves." I have never yet heard someone who believes in the deity of Christ argue that Joshua was God in the flesh. We know that the O.T. Joshua was God appointed man to deliver Israel. As Joshua and Israel went forth in obedience to his word God save them. Just so, in the matter of our salvation, God sent forth his son into battle. Through Jesus God has saved us. This is why both God and Jesus are called Savior. But the Bible never loses sight of the fact that God the Father is the ultimate Author of our salvation through (dia) his son.

This same line of reasoning applies to the healing of the paralytic in Mark 2. This is one of the most commonly appealed to Scriptures that allegedly proves that Jesus must be God, because "only God can forgive sins" (v.7). When Jesus pronounced the man forgiven/healed, the Pharisees say that Jesus is "blaspheming" because he is claiming to be God. But a little careful attention to detail will show that Jesus is not claiming deity. He is rather claiming "authority." He says, "But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins…" (v.10). The parallel account in Matthew's report is that once the people saw Jesus healed a paralytic, "they were filled with awe, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men" ( Matt 9:8). We note that Jesus is claiming to be "the Son of Man," that is, the human Messiah, with a God given right to pronounce forgiveness. Not too much later Jesus invested other men-his apostles-with the same authority to forgive sins: "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; he to retain the sins of any, they have been retained" (John 20:23). If only God can forgive sins, then God and Jesus and the apostles are all God! Besides, there is no teaching anywhere in the Bible that says only God can forgive. Even Christians are commanded to forgive each other sin (Eph. 4:32; Col. 3:13). The fact that the Pharisees say that only God can forgive sins does not make this an established Biblical doctrine. The Pharisees often had wrong doctrine and were often corrected by our Lord Jesus. This was one such occasion. (How did you miss this?)

Those who believe that Jesus can only be our Savior if he is God sometimes appeal to the prophecy from Jeremiah 23: (In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely; and this is his name by which he will be called, ‘The LORD our righteousness’" (Jer. 23:6).

Does this not say that the coming Savior will be "The LORD our righteousness," that is, God himself? This is easily answered when we note that a few chapters later we have this prophecy in Jeremiah 33: "in those days Judah shall be saved in Jerusalem shall dwell in safety; and this is the name by which she shall be called: the LORD is our righteousness’ (v.16).

Here the city of Jerusalem is given the very same title as the coming redeemer earlier. I have never yet heard anyone argue that the city of Jerusalem must also be God himself because it bears the same title as Jehovah. Hebrew understanding is needed to avoid the confusion.

This is why it is fallacious to reason that because Jesus is called the "King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" (Rev. 19:16) he must necessarily be Almighty God Himself. The fact that Artaxerxes is called "king of kings" and that God himself calls Nebuchadnezzar "king of kings" does not put these men in the same league as Messiah Jesus, nor mean they have the same nature as him. The designation "king of kings" is obviously a very Hebrew way of speaking that has nothing to do with the equivalency of nature. The Hebrews could also speak of a "servant of servants," which simply means to the lowest of the low (Gen 9:25). In the book of Daniel God addresses Nebuchadnezzar: "You, O king, are the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, the strength, and the glory" (Dan. 2:37).

In the same Hebrew fashion, when Scriptures designate Jesus Christ as "the King of Kings, and the Lord of Lords" the message conveyed is that God has also given him the Kingdom, the power, the strength, and the glory of the Age to Come. Equality of being with the God who gives the Kingdom does not come into the equation, for either Nebuchadnezzar or Jesus. If, as already noted, to share the same nomenclature as God does not prove literal identity with God himself, the same holds true for the sharing of the same titles. Whilst Jesus may share the title "king of kings and Lord of Lords" with God his Father, there is one title reserved uniquely for the Father God. No other individual, including the lord Jesus, is ever called by the title "God of gods" (Deut. 10:17). This title, as well as "the Lord God" (Rev. 1:8), is always reserved for the one true God, who is the Father.

Hope this helps...
Paul
 
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Adam was created in the image of God made perfect and failed miserably. Christ is no mere man and no man could ever say and do the things Christ says and did unless He was God. That’s the plain and simple truth conveyed in scripture.
Moses did.... What's your point?

Do you really think Adam failed miserably? Scripture teaches different.... Adam did exactly what he was created to do....

Mat 25:34 "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. (Before Adam)

Why do you think there was a Kingdom prepared before Adam ever sinned???

Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, (Before Adam) that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love

Why do you think you were chosen before Adam ever sinned???

Silly child....

Rom 8:20 For the creation (and Adam) was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope
 

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This is getting way to easy refuting the unitarians.

To Confess
NT:3670 ‎o(mologe/w ‎homologeo (hom-ol-og-eh'-o);

Strong's Concordance

homologeó: to speak the same, to agree
This is one of my all-time favorite posts. Not only is it a claim of victory but an easy victory only to immediately launch into an obscure and esoteric reliance.

It truly is shocking how people cannot differentiate between a strong argument and a weak argument BECAUSE of how emotionally invested they are in the conclusion.

I recently confessed that one of my arguments to an Atheist was weak but it STILL is an argument in favor of a proposition. To an intellectually honest person, they ought to admit that even weak argument is superior to no argument (merely a denial of the validity of the weak argument).

I would say this is the precise opposite of easy refuting.
 

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This is one of my all-time favorite posts. Not only is it a claim of victory but an easy victory only to immediately launch into an obscure and esoteric reliance.

It truly is shocking how people cannot differentiate between a strong argument and a weak argument BECAUSE of how emotionally invested they are in the conclusion.

I recently confessed that one of my arguments to an Atheist was weak but it STILL is an argument in favor of a proposition. To an intellectually honest person, they ought to admit that even weak argument is superior to no argument (merely a denial of the validity of the weak argument).

I would say this is the precise opposite of easy refuting.
I see you cannot refute the meaning of the words in the text I provided and Paul calling Christ YHWH , the same Lord( YHWH) in Joel 2:32. Scripture interprets scripture and the NT the OT. Hermeneutics 101.

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I see you cannot refute the meaning of the words in the text I provided and Paul calling Christ YHWH
LOL. Invention. I suppose the weaker your argument, the stronger you claim it to be. IF what you say were true, you would not have to rely on gnostic private interpretation that only you read into what is there.

Hope this helps.
 

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Scripture trumps you once again.
Claiming victory does not actually answer my 3 specific questions. Let's try having an actual conversation and reason together. Shall we?

Does it make sense to you that God has a God?

Does it make sense to you to use language such that one was sent by themselves?


Does it make sense to you to use language such that one is a servant of themselves?
 

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More fallacies- god has a god is a non sequitur.

Since Christ is both God and man, human and Divine as God He has no God, as man He has the Father as His God.

The 2 natures in Christ solves all the objections for the unitarians.

Had He not been man He could not of died for the sins of the world, had He not been God He could not have been the Savior of the world.

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Here is my personal study and findings from Scripture and history on the 2 natures in Christ.

The Hypostatic Union

1.
Jesus is a person. (1 Tim 2:5)

2. Jesus, the Person, has two natures- Divine and human (John 1:1, 14, 1 Timothy 3:16): Divine and human. This is the Hypostatic Union.( Col 2:9, Heb 1:3,2:16)

3. The Communicatio Idiomatum (Communication of the Properties) states that the attributes of His Divine nature and human nature are both ascribed to the one Person of Jesus. So Jesus can exhibit attributes of Divinity (Omnipresence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, . John 2:23, 3:13, 8:58, He was prayed to in Acts 7:59, John 14:13, He was is worshiped Matt 2:2:11, Rev 5:13-14) and at the same time exhibit attributes of His humanity( He was tempted, ate, prayed,wept, grew in wisdom and stature,was anointed,was baptized, the Father was greater, didn’t know the day or the hour of His Return, He cried My God my God why has Thou forsaken Me, He died etc.). The communicatio idiomatum does not mean that any part of the Divine nature was communicated to the human nature.

4. The Man(anthropos) Jesus is what we perceive (if we were there 2000 years ago in Israel) and through the Man we encounter the Divine nature (Jesus knowing all things, is on earth while in heaven, answers prayer, forgiving sins, etc.).

5. The Person of Jesus will always be both Divine and human. (John 1:1,14,20:28, 1 John 5:20, 1 Timothy 2:5) Those who deny this fact are the spirit of antichrist. (1 John 4:1-4,2 John 7)

6. The Divine Nature is within the Trinity.(Father, Son and Holy Spirit)

7. Since the Person of Jesus claims the attributes of Divinity(John 3:13,8:58,Matthew 9:2,12:8), then the Person of Jesus is a member of the Trinity.( John 14-16, Math 28:19)

Anything said of either of Christ's two natures applies to the one Person of Christ, so that is how it is said that Christ died on the cross. The term "hypostatic union" refers to the two natures united in the one Person, so anything said of those two natures in the one Person applies to the whole Person. So we see that the Person of Christ is both God and man. The phrase hypostatic union was adopted by the general council at Chalcedon 451 AD. That council declared that the union of two natures is real (against Arius), not a mere indwelling of God in a man (against Nestorius), with a rational soul (against Apollinaris), and that in Christ’s Divine nature remains unchanged (against Eutyches).

We need to look to the Monothelite Controversy which had to deal with whether there was one or two wills/minds in the person of Christ. The outcome was that there were two; one human and one divine with the human subjected to the divine. The eternal Son of God did not assume a part of a human nature without a mind, without a will, without human activity, but He assumed all the things that were planted in our nature by God.

Now then, to act (or in this case, speak) is the work of a person, but the form or nature is the cause of this action; for each person acts in accord with the form or nature which it has. A difference in causes (natures) produces a difference in effects (actions). Therefore, where there are different natures, there are also different activities. So in the one Person of Christ there are two natural actions, the divine and the human, each of which has its own essential attributes, functions, and actions. Jesus was thirty years old according to His human nature (Luke 3:23); according to His divine nature He could say: "Before Abraham was born, I am" (John 8:58). The question is did both natures know this and communicate it to the Person. The answer is yes because the divine nature with its corresponding divine will willed the human nature to respond in such a fashion in keeping with Christ's office and ministry. In the text regarding Mark 13:32, we have a slightly different situation here. Christ is acting (speaking) from His human nature, but, this time, the divine will does not allow the human will access to this knowledge. For this information is not to be published on earth. Therefore, as man, Christ cannot answer the question.

In the works pertaining to the office of Christ as Prophet, Priest, and King both natures act in conjunction with each other, each nature doing what is peculiar to the same.

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Since Christ is both God and man, human and Divine as God He has no God
Jesus repeatedly says he has a God. I believe Jesus over you.

However, questions are not a nonsequitor. The implied answer to this 1st question is no, it does not make sense that God has a God.

Now, please answer the other 2 questions.
 

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Jesus repeatedly says he has a God. I believe Jesus over you.

However, questions are not a nonsequitor. The implied answer to this 1st question is no, it does not make sense that God has a God.

Now, please answer the other 2 questions.
read what I said- as a man He has a God. He has 2 natures- human and divine.
 

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read what I said- as a man He has a God. He has 2 natures- human and divine.
So the God of all creation... is now both The Creator and then dropped down from creator to being his creation?

You do know the risen Jesus is still a Man... so your saying God the Father is still a Man and God???

YOU SPEAK AS A CHILD!!!


1Co 11:3 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

1Co 11:12 For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God.

Read this verse.... Christophany.... Then bend over and grab your ankles.... Your about to get a theological SPANKING!!!

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Words mean things... Webster 1828 Dictionary

And
AND, conj.


And is a conjunction, connective or conjoining word. It signifies that a word or part of a sentence is to be added to what precedes. Thus, give me an apple and an orange; that is, give me an apple, add or give in addition to that, an orange. John and Peter and James rode to New York, that is, John rode to New York; add or further, Peter rode to New York; add James rode to New York.

Jesus according to Paul.... Is the Man!!! Your mediator between you and his God..... Thus why Jesus told you and you chose to ignore him....

Joh 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.


Go back to the word AND.... silly child....

Jesus said This is eternal life.... not me!!!
I'm trying to help you... not to burn.... Pay attention

as if...
Paul
 
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It’s easier if you ignore the ubiquitous and plain words of Scripture and impose a mystical meaning to vague verses. The more ambiguous, the more mystical meaning and significance can be read into it.
Yes like you do when Scriptures calls Christ God and then deny He is God.

All of a sudden God has some other meaning lol.
 

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It’s easier if you ignore the ubiquitous and plain words of Scripture and impose a mystical meaning to vague verses. The more ambiguous, the more mystical meaning and significance can be read into it.
So true and so sad at the same time... Why do we see so clearly... and others are forced to apply a mystical meaning... to understand what scripture clearly teaches.... Let's thank God for His Gift to us... and try our best to be humble...
Jesus told us about them...
 
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