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Is there such a thing as "soul sleep"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 39.1%
  • No

    Votes: 13 56.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 4.3%

  • Total voters
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Ninth to fifteenth centuries[edit]​

Soul sleep evidently persisted since various Byzantine writers had to defend the doctrine of the veneration of saints against those who said the saints sleep.[92] John the Deacon (eleventh century) attacked those who "dare to say that praying to the saints is like shouting in the ears of the deaf, as if they had drunk from the mythical waters of Oblivion."[93]

Pope John XXII inadvertently caused the beatific vision controversy (1331–1334) by suggesting that the saved do not attain the beatific vision, or "see God" until Judgment Day (in Italian: Visione beatifica differita, "deferred beatific vision"), which was a view possibly consistent with soul sleep. The Sacred College of Cardinals held a consistory on the problem in January 1334, and Pope John conceded to the more orthodox understanding. His successor, in that same year, Pope Benedict XII, declared that the righteous do see Heaven prior to the final judgement. In 1336, Pope Benedict XII issued the papal bull Benedictus Deus. This document defined the Church's belief that the souls of the departed go to their eternal reward immediately after death, as opposed to remaining in a state of unconscious existence until the Last Judgment.[94]

 
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The Reformation[edit]​

Soul sleep re-emerged in Christianity when it was promoted by some Reformation leaders, and it survives today mostly among Restorationist sects, such as Jehovah Witnesses and the Seventh-day Adventist Church.[95][96] Conti has argued that during the Reformation both psychosomnolence (the belief that the soul sleeps until the resurrection) and thnetopsychism (the belief that the body and soul both die and then both rise again) were quite common.[97]

William Tyndale (1494–1536) argued against Thomas More in favor of soul sleep:

And ye, in putting them [the departed souls] in heaven, hell and purgatory, destroy the arguments wherewith Christ and Paul prove the resurrection... And again, if the souls be in heaven, tell me why they be not in as good a case as the angels be? And then what cause is there of the resurrection?[98][99]
— William Tyndale, An Answer to Sir Thomas More's Dialogue (1530), pp. 119–120
Morey suggests that John Wycliffe (1320–1384) and Tyndale taught the doctrine of soul sleep "as the answer to the Catholic teachings of purgatory and masses for the dead."[100]

Many Anabaptists in this period, such as Michael Sattler (1490–1527),[101][102] were Christian mortalists.[103]

However, the best-known advocate of soul sleep was Martin Luther (1483–1546).[104] In writing on Ecclesiastes, Luther says

Salomon judgeth that the dead are a sleepe, and feele nothing at all. For the dead lye there accompting neyther dayes nor yeares, but when they are awoken, they shall seeme to have slept scarce one minute.[105]
— Martin Luther, An Exposition of Salomon's Booke, called Ecclesiastes or the Preacher (1573)
Elsewhere Luther states that

As soon as thy eyes have closed shalt thou be woken, a thousand years shall be as if thou hadst slept but a little half-hour. Just as at night we hear the clock strike and know not how long we have slept, so too, and how much more, are in death a thousand years soon past. Before a man should turn round, he is already a fair angel.[106]
— Martin Luther
Jürgen Moltmann (2000) concludes from this that "Luther conceived the state of the dead as a deep, dreamless sleep, removed from time and space, without consciousness and without feeling."[107] That Luther believed in soul sleep is also the view of Watts 1985.[108] Some writers have claimed that Luther changed his view later in life.[109][110]

Gottfried Fritschel (1867) argued that quotations from Luther's Latin works had occasionally been misread in Latin or in German translation to contradict or qualify specific statements and Luther's overall teaching, namely that the sleep of the dead was unconscious:[111] These readings can still be found in some English sources. [112][113][114]
 
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The two most frequently cited passages are:

  • "It is certain that to this day Abraham is serving God, just as Abel, Noah are serving God. And this we should carefully note; for it is divine truth that Abraham is living, serving God, and ruling with Him. But what sort of life that may be, whether he is asleep or awake, is another question. How the soul is resting we are not to know, but it is certain that it is living."[115]
  • "A man tired with his daily labour... sleeps. But his soul does not sleep (Anima autem non-sic dormit) but is awake (sed vigilat). It experiences visions and the discourses of the angels and of God. Therefore, the sleep in the future life is deeper than it is in this life. Nevertheless, the soul lives to God. This is the likeness to the sleep of life."[116][117]
As such, Lutheran Churches affirm that "The Confessions rule out the contemporary view that death is a pleasant and painless transition into a perfect world" and reject both the ideas that "the soul is by nature and by virtue of an inherent quality immortal" and that "the soul 'sleeps' between death and the resurrection in such a way that it is not conscious of bliss".[118]

On the other hand, others believing in soul sleep included Camillo Renato (1540),[119] Mátyás Dévai Bíró (1500–45),[120] Michael Servetus (1511–1553),[121] Laelio Sozzini (1562),[122] Fausto Sozzini (1563),[123] the Polish Brethren (1565 onwards),[124] Dirk Philips (1504–1568),[125] Gregory Paul of Brzezin (1568),[126] the Socinians (1570–1800),[127] John Frith (1573),[128] George Schomann (1574)[129] and Simon Budny (1576).[123]

 
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Seventeenth to eighteenth centuries[edit]​

Soul sleep was a significant minority view from the eighth to the seventeenth centuries,[130] and it became increasingly common from the Reformation onwards.[131]

Soul sleep has been called a "major current of seventeenth century protestant ideology."[132] John Milton wrote in his unpublished De Doctrina Christiana,

Inasmuch then as the whole man is uniformly said to consist of body, and soul (whatever may be the distinct provinces assigned to these divisions), I will show, that in death, first, the whole man, and secondly, each component part, suffers privation of life.[133]
— Milton, page 280
Gordon Campbell (2008) identifies Milton's views as "thnetopsychism", a belief that the soul dies with the body but is resurrected at the last judgment.[134] however Milton speaks also of the dead as "asleep".[135]

Those holding this view include: 1600s: Sussex Baptists[136] d. 1612: Edward Wightman[137] 1627: Samuel Gardner[138] 1628: Samuel Przypkowski[139] 1636: George Wither[140] 1637: Joachim Stegmann[141] 1624: Richard Overton[142] 1654: John Biddle (Unitarian)[143] 1655: Matthew Caffyn[144] 1658: Samuel Richardson[145] 1608–1674: John Milton[146] [147] 1588–1670: Thomas Hobbes[127] 1605–1682: Thomas Browne[148] 1622–1705: Henry Layton[149] 1702: William Coward[150] 1632–1704: John Locke[151] 1643–1727: Isaac Newton[152] 1676–1748: Pietro Giannone[153] 1751: William Kenrick[154] 1755: Edmund Law[155] 1759: Samuel Bourn[156] 1723–1791: Richard Price[157] 1718–1797: Peter Peckard[158] 1733–1804: Joseph Priestley[159] Francis Blackburne (1765).[160]

 
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Nineteenth to twentieth centuries[edit]
Belief in soul sleep and the annihilation of the unsaved became increasingly common during the nineteenth century,[161][162][163] entering mainstream Christianity in the twentieth century.[164][165] From this point it is possible to speak in terms of entire groups holding the belief, and only the most prominent individual nineteenth-century advocates of the doctrine will be mentioned here.



Others include: Millerites (from 1833),[d] Edward White (1846),[166] Christadelphians (from 1848),[167] Thomas Thayer (1855),[168] François Gaussen (d. 1863),[169] Henry Constable (1873),[170] Louis Burnier (Waldensian, d. 1878),[171] the Baptist Conditionalist Association (1878),[172] Cameron Mann (1888),[173] Emmanuel Pétavel-Olliff (1891), Miles Grant (1895),[174] George Gabriel Stokes (1897).[166]



Modern Christian groups[edit]
Present-day defenders of soul sleep include Nicky Gumbel,[175] Primitive Baptist Universalists,[citation needed] some Lutherans, the Seventh-day Adventist Church, Advent Christian Church, the Afterlife group,[176] Christadelphians, the Church of God (Seventh Day), Church of God (7th day) – Salem Conference, the Church of God Abrahamic Faith, and various other Church of God organizations and related denominations which adhered to the older teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God, and the Bible Student movement.



Jehovah's Witnesses teach a form of thnetopsychism, in that the soul is the body (Genesis 2:7) and that it dies (Ezekiel 18:20; Ecclesiastes 9:5,10).[177] They believe that 144,000 chosen ones will receive immortality in heaven to rule as kings and priests with Christ in Heaven (Rev 7:4; 14:1,3)[178] but all the other saved will be raised from the dead on the last day (John 5:28,29) to receive eternal life on a Paradise Earth (Revelation 7:9,14,17).[179]



Seventh-day Adventists believe that death is a state of unconscious sleep until the resurrection. They base this belief on biblical texts such as Ecclesiastes 9:5 which states "the dead know nothing", and 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18 which contains a description of the dead being raised from the grave at the second coming. These verses, it is argued, indicate that death is only a period or form of slumber.[180]

 
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I believe when we die we are ushered into the presence of God. Here is my reasoning as to why there is no "soul sleep" upon death.

Absent the body, present with the Lord. (Apostle Paul) 2 Corinthians 5:8

It is appointed for men to die, then comes the judgment. Hebrews 9:27


Today you will be with me in paradise. (Jesus to the thief on the cross)

The beheaded saints under the altar of God pleading with Him to avenge them. They are not in soul sleep. (Revelation 6:10)

The story of the rich man and Lazarus. They were conscious after death. Perhaps this parable should not be taken literally, mind, I'm just throwing it out there.

What do you think? Please use scripture to justify your position. God bless!
These are just some thoughts to put in the pot - maybe some of this has already been mentioned as I haven't read all of the thread and all that has been discussed so far. This is another of those things where we seem to see contradictory scriptures. I wonder if some are written from earth's point of view - the finiteness of our lives and the finality of death, so that we would learn some needed lessons from that reality and be humbled by it..........but then also some scrips conveying heaven's point of view.....the idea of eternal life and that those who believe in Christ "will never die" and not taste of death and not a hair of our head will perish. And Jesus corrected the Sadducees saying that they greatly erred and that God is not the God of the dead but of the living.
 

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The Learner said:
yes false teaching

Would you still call him "my brother" if he said soul sleep was biblical?
I think if I could willingly pray for those who curse, persecute, and despitefully use me, I ought to be able to be able to call someone with whom I have so much more in common "Brother." :)
 

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op: soul sleep?
As in:
1) annihilation (cease to exist)?, or:
2) still existing, but Unconscious?, or:

3) resting ( Peacefully ) In ( The Presence of ) The LORD Jesus Christ?

Biblically speaking, what I personally have found In God's Wonderful Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided:

Confusion about death solved for Comfort, by "What Saith ALL The Scriptures?"
on This Important Doctrine:


man/woman/child = a tripartite being?:

"And the very God of Peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your
Whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming​
of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23; Comfort 2 Corinthians 1:3-4)​

A Divider/Discerner of the [ internal ] Two:

"For The Word of God Is Quick, and Powerful, and Sharper Than any two-edged
sword, Piercing Even To The Dividing Asunder Of soul And spirit, and of the joints​
and marrow, And Is A Discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
(Hebrews 4:12)​

Death?:

"...the body without the spirit is dead..." (Jam 2:26)

1) When the body is dead, it becomes ignorant and hence
"knows not anything" (Ecc 9:5), "returning to dust" (Ecc 12:7):

2) "the spirit returns ( from the body ) back to God Who Gave it" (Ecc 12:7)

What about "the soul"? Does it, as some think - disappear into nothingness/annihilation?:
What Saith The Scriptures?:

3) "the soul departs" (Gen 35:16-19) How does an existing entity 'depart' in nothingness?

a) Jesus Clearly Taught UNbelievers' souls go to the existing "place of
torment, having vision, speech, feeling, and remembering everything"​
(Luk 16:19-31) "across the [ existing ] great fixed gulf":​

b) Believers ( previously ) went to "paradise (in the earth) = Abraham's bosom" -
Confirmed:

b1) Jesus, Just Before HIS Death, Clearly Said [ to the repentant thief ] "Today
thou Shalt BE WITH ME In [ existing ] Paradise!" (Luke 23:43) - Confirmed by:​

b2) "I AM The God of Abraham, and The God of Isaac, and The God of Jacob?
God Is not The God of the dead, but of the [ existent ] living." (Matthew 22:32)​
Amen:​

OT living souls departed and "gathered Unto their own people!":

"And thou shalt go [ living soul that departs ] to thy fathers in peace;​
thou shalt be buried [ dead body ] in a good old age." (Genesis 15:15)​

[ How does an existing entity 'depart' in nothingness and also "have Peace"? ]

"Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man,​
and full of years; and was gathered to his people. And his sons Isaac and​
Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son​
of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre;" (Genesis 25:8-9)​
"And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered unto his people,​
being old and full of days: and his sons Esau and Jacob buried him." (Genesis 35:29)​

Jacob (v 1):

"And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered Unto
my people [ living soul ]: bury me with my fathers [ dead body ] in the cave​
that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite," (Genesis 49:29)​

So, the critics, in Light of These, will still argue that the 'dead body' "buried with
fathers" = "gathered with their people," and 'the soul is Non-existent,' Correct?:

What Saith The Scriptures?:

"And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his​
feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people."​
(Genesis 49:33)​

Immediately his "living soul departed to paradise in Abraham's bosom!" Correct?

+ Further Confirmed BY:

b3) The prophet Samuel's [ dead body ] was buried Nowhere Near his father Abraham's in "the cave
of Machpelah," Correct? So that Cannot be the critic's theory "gathered to his fathers/people," right?

"And Samuel died; and all the Israelites were gathered together, and​
lamented him, and buried him in his house at Ramah." (1 Samuel 25:1)​
Further Confirmed by King Saul "disturbing 'Samuel's [ peaceful ] rest,' getting​
the witch at Endor to call up Samuel from the dead" (1 Samuel 28:7-20)​

Again, critics complain that this is a "demon (one of the gods 'ascending out of the earth'" [ theory ]
that "appeared to the witch and Saul." The witch "identified him as Samuel." Did she lie?

Now, it is possible demons might know this, from the past?:

"Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce​
wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day."​
(1 Samuel 28:18)​

But, how in heaven's name, did God Give demons the "gift of prophecy," to predict the future?:

"Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines:​
and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the​
host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines." (1 Samuel 28:19)​

No, dear critics, there were no theoretical demons were in Paradise, So "after Samuel went back
to resting In Paradise,"
the next day, Saul and Jonathon were killed in battle, And "gathered Unto
their people," with Samuel, "As Prophesied," Correct?

b4) In the future, John saw:

"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the [ living ] souls of them​
that were slain [ dead bodies ] for The Word of God, and for the testimony which they held"​
(Revelation 6:9) "...cried out with loud voice...Given white robes..." (vs 10-11)​

How is that 'nothingness/annihilation [ no comfort/peace ],' when these are
"living and conscious," Correct?

God Alone Makes Scriptures Get Even Better! = Very Comforting!!:


c) ...( But now ), for believers, Under God's Grace!:

In Christ's Revelation Of The Mystery To Paul, He Teaches:

"For to me to live is Christ, and to die Is Gain!" (Philippians 1:21)​
+
"For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to Depart { soul },​
And To Be With CHRIST; which Is Far Better!" (Philippians 1:23)​
+
"Now He that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, Who​
also hath given unto us The Earnest of The Spirit. Therefore we are​
always Confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body,​
we are absent from The LORD: ( For we walk by faith, not by sight: )​
We are Confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body,
and to be Present With The LORD!" (2 Corinthians 5:5-8) Where?:​

"...Paradise in The Third Heaven!..." (2Co 12:1-4) = VERY Comforting, Correct?:

Further Confirmed in Resurrection:

1Th 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning​
them [ souls ] which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which​
have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so​
them [ souls ] also which sleep in Jesus Will God Bring With Him."​

God does Not Bring 'nothingness' but, living souls With Him! Amen.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bears repeating! Correct?:

"I AM The God of Abraham, and The God of Isaac, and The God of Jacob?
God Is not The God of the dead, but of the living." (Matthew 22:32) Amen.

the dead body
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)
the living soul

-------------------------------------- =========
LORD Jesus, thanks So Much for ALL Your Comforting Words.

Amen.
 
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op: soul sleep?
As in:
1) annihilation (cease to exist)?, or:
2) still existing, but Unconscious?, or:

3) resting ( Peacefully ) In ( The Presence of ) The LORD Jesus Christ?

Biblically speaking, what I personally have found In God's Wonderful Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided:

Confusion about death solved for Comfort, by "What Saith ALL The Scriptures?"
on This Important Doctrine:


man/woman/child = a tripartite being?:

"And the very God of Peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your
Whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming​
of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23; Comfort 2 Corinthians 1:3-4)​

A Divider/Discerner of the [ internal ] Two:

"For The Word of God Is Quick, and Powerful, and Sharper Than any two-edged
sword, Piercing Even To The Dividing Asunder Of soul And spirit, and of the joints​
and marrow, And Is A Discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
(Hebrews 4:12)​

Death?:

"...the body without the spirit is dead..." (Jam 2:26)

1) When the body is dead, it becomes ignorant and hence
"knows not anything" (Ecc 9:5), "returning to dust" (Ecc 12:7):

2) "the spirit returns ( from the body ) back to God Who Gave it" (Ecc 12:7)

What about "the soul"? Does it, as some think - disappear into nothingness/annihilation?:
What Saith The Scriptures?:

3) "the soul departs" (Gen 35:16-19) How does an existing entity 'depart' in nothingness?

a) Jesus Clearly Taught UNbelievers' souls go to the existing "place of
torment, having vision, speech, feeling, and remembering everything"​
(Luk 16:19-31) "across the [ existing ] great fixed gulf":​

b) Believers ( previously ) went to "paradise (in the earth) = Abraham's bosom" -
Confirmed:

b1) Jesus, Just Before HIS Death, Clearly Said [ to the repentant thief ] "Today
thou Shalt BE WITH ME In [ existing ] Paradise!" (Luke 23:43) - Confirmed by:​

b2) "I AM The God of Abraham, and The God of Isaac, and The God of Jacob?
God Is not The God of the dead, but of the [ existent ] living." (Matthew 22:32)​
Amen:​

OT living souls departed and "gathered Unto their own people!":

"And thou shalt go [ living soul that departs ] to thy fathers in peace;​
thou shalt be buried [ dead body ] in a good old age." (Genesis 15:15)​

[ How does an existing entity 'depart' in nothingness and also "have Peace"? ]

"Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man,​
and full of years; and was gathered to his people. And his sons Isaac and​
Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son​
of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre;" (Genesis 25:8-9)​
"And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered unto his people,​
being old and full of days: and his sons Esau and Jacob buried him." (Genesis 35:29)​

Jacob (v 1):

"And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered Unto
my people [ living soul ]: bury me with my fathers [ dead body ] in the cave​
that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite," (Genesis 49:29)​

So, the critics, in Light of These, will still argue that the 'dead body' "buried with
fathers" = "gathered with their people," and 'the soul is Non-existent,' Correct?:

What Saith The Scriptures?:

"And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his​
feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people."​
(Genesis 49:33)​

Immediately his "living soul departed to paradise in Abraham's bosom!" Correct?

+ Further Confirmed BY:

b3) The prophet Samuel's [ dead body ] was buried Nowhere Near his father Abraham's in "the cave
of Machpelah," Correct? So that Cannot be the critic's theory "gathered to his fathers/people," right?

"And Samuel died; and all the Israelites were gathered together, and​
lamented him, and buried him in his house at Ramah." (1 Samuel 25:1)​
Further Confirmed by King Saul "disturbing 'Samuel's [ peaceful ] rest,' getting​
the witch at Endor to call up Samuel from the dead" (1 Samuel 28:7-20)​

Again, critics complain that this is a "demon (one of the gods 'ascending out of the earth'" [ theory ]
that "appeared to the witch and Saul." The witch "identified him as Samuel." Did she lie?

Now, it is possible demons might know this, from the past?:

"Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce​
wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day."​
(1 Samuel 28:18)​

But, how in heaven's name, did God Give demons the "gift of prophecy," to predict the future?:

"Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines:​
and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the​
host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines." (1 Samuel 28:19)​

No, dear critics, there were no theoretical demons were in Paradise, So "after Samuel went back
to resting In Paradise,"
the next day, Saul and Jonathon were killed in battle, And "gathered Unto
their people," with Samuel, "As Prophesied," Correct?

b4) In the future, John saw:

"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the [ living ] souls of them​
that were slain [ dead bodies ] for The Word of God, and for the testimony which they held"​
(Revelation 6:9) "...cried out with loud voice...Given white robes..." (vs 10-11)​

How is that 'nothingness/annihilation [ no comfort/peace ],' when these are
"living and conscious," Correct?

God Alone Makes Scriptures Get Even Better! = Very Comforting!!:


c) ...( But now ), for believers, Under God's Grace!:

In Christ's Revelation Of The Mystery To Paul, He Teaches:

"For to me to live is Christ, and to die Is Gain!" (Philippians 1:21)​
+
"For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to Depart { soul },​
And To Be With CHRIST; which Is Far Better!" (Philippians 1:23)​
+
"Now He that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, Who​
also hath given unto us The Earnest of The Spirit. Therefore we are​
always Confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body,​
we are absent from The LORD: ( For we walk by faith, not by sight: )​
We are Confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body,
and to be Present With The LORD!" (2 Corinthians 5:5-8) Where?:​

"...Paradise in The Third Heaven!..." (2Co 12:1-4) = VERY Comforting, Correct?:

Further Confirmed in Resurrection:

1Th 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning​
them [ souls ] which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which​
have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so​
them [ souls ] also which sleep in Jesus Will God Bring With Him."​

God does Not Bring 'nothingness' but, living souls With Him! Amen.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bears repeating! Correct?:

"I AM The God of Abraham, and The God of Isaac, and The God of Jacob?
God Is not The God of the dead, but of the living." (Matthew 22:32) Amen.

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