Unity of the faith - at what cost?

[Ronald Nolette]

You believe that you have your sin, and that is why you told us you confess it and will again.

That's not real Christianity, that you are practicing or preaching.
That's broken faith.

No its real faith and real christianity! I still have no clue what you mean by "have your sin". I am assuming it means that I am not perfect in thought , word or deed. I must assume for you give muddled answers and evasive constructs.

You seem to forget all the passages urging real Christians practicing real Christianity to keep growing. You do that because you believe a lie and that you have already achieved the full measure of the stature of Christ and no longer sin ever.

I pray you stumble hard. for if not and you are not chastened of the Lord- the alternative is a horrifying thought for you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

He allows for -zero- disagreement.

But he writes things hard to be understood.

I've found that most folks can't seem to acknowledge this paradox to which Peter testifies under inspiration.

Yes Paul did write many things hard to be understood. but now they are not so hard after 2,000 years.

But as for disagreements?

He allowed fo people to keep Sabbath and to not keep Sabbath. He required Jewish believers to be circumcised but not Gentiles

He allowed for keeping feasts and holidays and for not keeping them

He allowed meat to be eaten sacrificed to idols and to not eat it!

He allowed for many differing practices in worship.

But for teh core doctrines of the faith- no he brooked no disagreement.

 

[Wrangler]

We can unite in Christ even though we have doctrinal discord.

Exactly!

Saw a funny meme of Jesus sitting on a rock with a young boy. The caption read, “Everyone else had their doctrine just a little off.”

 

[Behold]

No its real faith and real christianity! I

God didn't save us to sin and repeat.

You are 49 yrs into your "Christianity" and still don't understand this, you keep telling us.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

God didn't save us to sin and repeat.

You are 49 yrs into your "Christianity" and still don't understand this, you keep telling us.

No He saved us to grow and mature in the faith daily. YOu forget that though has reckoned our old man dead, it is not removed from us!

Jesus said to forgive 70X7 if a brother offends. You say if a brother sins once- He is not saved! Once again that is not the gospel.

Paul said the weaker vessels we give more abundant honor to. to help them up.

I have explained faith is not a license to sin, but a license to grow. but to believe you never sin in thought word or deed ever is arrogant and denies the Word of God!

And if someone sins and repeats 1,000,000 and every time acknowledges their sin before God- He forgives in experience and cleanses (for in their position before God they are already perfected forever.

YOu need to study gods word awake and see that He is patient with His children while he is sanctifying us as it says in Hebrews.

You believe you are already fully sanctified in your experience. It would not surprise me in the least to find that like Ritajuice- you do not call sin , sin, but make excuses for it and just call it confusion or whatever.

You are among all believers the most pitied!

 

[Behold]

YOu forget that though has reckoned our old man dead, it is not removed from us!

Paul does not teach that false idea.

Paul said the "old man of sin is Crucified with Christ".

"Crucified" is DEAD..

This is why Paul tells you to "reckon it DEAD".

"we are become DEAD TO SIN"..... """"count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus"""

You and NETChaplin...... are always telling us you are the opposite.
I believe you, Ronald.
I believe Him also.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Paul does not teach that false idea.

Paul said the "old man of sin is Crucified with Christ".

"Crucified" is DEAD..

This is why Paul tells you to "reckon it DEAD".

"we are become DEAD TO SIN"..... """"count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus"""

You and NETChaplin...... are always telling us you are the opposite.
I believe you, Ronald.
I believe Him also.

Yes now go learn wehat Paul meant by reading all his pther epistles. Things like grow in graqce and holiness, cast off vain imaginations.

He is writing to believers, not unbelievers.

You claim he is writing to unbelievers for they must still "have their sin" if they are not sinlessly perfect as you falsely pretend to be.

 

[Behold]

Yes now go learn wehat Paul meant by reading all his pther epistles.

The born again Son-Daughter is not under the law, while the Blood and death of Jesus has also dealt with all sin 2000 yrs ago.

This is why 2 Corinthians 5:19 and Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge sin to the redeemed believer.

There is no basis for it, as they are "not under the law, but under Grace" having been "made Righteous" by the ETERNAL Redemption that is 'in Christ".

 

[Behold]

You claim he is writing to unbelievers for they must still "have their sin" if they are not sinlessly perfect as you falsely pretend to be.

Notice this..

The "CHRISTian" is the born again Spirit.
That's not your body or your mind.

Its the Born again Spirit, that is the "new Creation" in Christ. "

No sin found there, as the born again, exist "in Christ", "one with God"., in the Kingdom of God".

You read..."seated in Heavenly places" in Christ"..

That is the "new creation" that is Born again, who is "made righteous".

 

[BarneyFife]

I guess getting 100 posts up before the thread gets up-ended isn't too bad.

Whaddya gonna do in a small town without a sheriff, anyhow?

 

[St. SteVen]

We can unite in Christ even though we have doctrinal discord.

I agree that this is the best course of action for many. (not all)
Sure beats the alternatives. IMHO

1) At each others throats screaming "heretic!" -- or --
2) Let the church dictate what you believe. (no thanks) LOL

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Notice this..

The "CHRISTian" is the born again Spirit.
That's not your body or your mind.

Its the Born again Spirit, that is the "new Creation" in Christ. "

No sin found there, as the born again, exist "in Christ", "one with God"., in the Kingdom of God".

You read..."seated in Heavenly places" in Christ"..

That is the "new creation" that is Born again, who is "made righteous".

Well it is the human spirit that is made alive again!

YOu write in such an arcane way! and you make it worse when ask to clarify, you continue to just use muddled phrases.

Do you not know how to talk to people in a colloquial way?

When we trust christ to save us we are a new creation and eternally secure. Never to be removed from the family of God!

 

[Behold]

Well it is the human spirit that is made alive again!

Ok ..

Notice.

'your body is dead because of sin"..... and your Mind is just "where you think"...

Neither of these is born again...

So, what is left of you, that IS born again? That is 'In Christ"..."One with God".. ?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The born again Son-Daughter is not under the law, while the Blood and death of Jesus has also dealt with all sin 2000 yrs ago.

This is why 2 Corinthians 5:19 and Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge sin to the redeemed believer.

There is no basis for it, as they are "not under the law, but under Grace" having been "made Righteous" by the ETERNAL Redemption that is 'in Christ".

YOu wrote teh same thing to me in pork.

Now god not charging us with sin anymore is not the same as saying we when we allow the flesh to take short term control and we sin. It does mean god does not charge us with it when we do.

 

[Behold]

YOu wrote teh same thing to me in pork.

Now god not charging us with sin anymore is not the same as saying we when we allow the flesh

Yes, i have this in my head, its a Class teachng.
I have a lot of it in my head because i teach every day, for hours, normally.


Listen.... we are not in the flesh if we are born again.

we are "in Christ'.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ok ..

Notice.

'your body is dead because of sin"..... and your Mind is just "where you think"...

Neither of these is born again...

So, what is left of you, that IS born again? That is 'In Christ"..."One with God".. ?

And that is why Paul exhorted all believers to be renewed in their minds. so they can know what is the good, perfect and acceptable will of God.

We have been given the mind of Christ at the moment of Salvation, but that doesn't make us perfect in thought, word or deed! We have to grow in sanctification which means unlearning the old and learning the new!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes, i have this in my head, its a Class teachng.
I have a lot of it in my head because i teach every day, for hours, normally.


Listen.... we are not in the flesh if we are born again.

we are "in Christ'.

Yes we are in christ!

but sometimes we allow the old man to have control! that is called sin.

 

[Behold]

And that is why Paul exhorted all believers to be renewed in their minds.

If your "body is dead because of sin, and your mind is just your mind"..

Then what is Born again?

 

[Behold]

Yes we are in christ!

but sometimes we allow the old man to have control! that is called sin.

What is "in Christ"?

"your body is dead because of sin"... and your mind is not born again.

What is "in Christ"?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If your "body is dead because of sin, and your mind is just your mind"..

Then what is Born again?

Its being made a new creature! First our dead spirit is resurrected.

that is the immaterial part of a man that can communicate with god. That is what died immediately in the garden when Adam sinned and all are now born dead in spirit.

The mind is now capable of understanding God and being renewed!

the body follows the lead of the spirit and mind! Teh flesh also means the numan nature.