That's a great point, which you have qualified well.
But when a question arises on the forum we hear the request, "Chapter and verse, please."
Unbiblical thinking is taboo.
Unity of the faith - at what cost?
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I believe the congregations of the one church are seven. As the church changes with geography and generation the congregations become very much unique. In chemistry likes blend in with likes and unlikes react with unlikes. These churches do not possess enough in common to blend in well together.
"The seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches." - Revelations 1:20
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 1:20 - Revelation 2:1
Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry
Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life
Angels - The current preacher to the congregation.
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4
"The seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches." - Revelations 1:20
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 1:20 - Revelation 2:1
Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry
Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life
Angels - The current preacher to the congregation.
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4
quietthinker
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It's another trip which has nothing to do with knowing Jesus. It masquerades as sincerity which exposes itself when whatever text is offered is discounted and other scriptures weaponised.
Such a great term, thanks.
Called "friendly fire" in the military.
We seem to have lost sight of who the REAL enemy is.
Ronald Nolette
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Love you back you daisy peddler!Can you think of another way I could have told that joke?
"words that begin with 'colloq' "
Love you, Ron, you cranky old TULIP peddler!
Shabbat Shalom!
Ronald Nolette
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YOur body will be resurrected, glorified, incorruptible and immortal. Just like Jesus was resurrected in the body He died in.
Your spirit is regenerated for in the unbeliever mans spirit is dead. The Holy Spirit comes and inhabits us, we are given the mind of Christ, and our names are written for eternity in the Lambs book of Life.
We are perfected but that doesn't mean we are perfect1 the moment we get saved we are given the mind of Christ but that doesn't wipe out all we have learned and adopted as practices. We must unlearn the old, by renewing our minds with he Word of God. It is only at regeneration that we can finally begin to understand the Word of god as written to make it life. It is at regeenration that we finally begin to understand what sin is and now have the ability to one by one (and sometimes many at once) unlearn the old ways and adopt the new! It is a life long process. We are not instantaneous biblical scholars at the moment of salvation.
That is what is left. Beginning a brand new life as a babe in Christ and growing and maturing in the faith.
Behold
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WE get a new one. "not made with Hands"..
So, the questions for the 4th time.
If your body is dead because of sin, and your mind isn't born again....what is left, that is born again?
Ronald Nolette
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Can you think of another way I could have told that joke?
"words that begin with 'colloq' "
Love you, Ron, you cranky old TULIP peddler!
Shabbat Shalom!
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BarneyFife
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Ronald Nolette
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You. I cannot explain the mechanics of it, for Scripture doesn't explain it.
It just happens and our bodies will be raised from teh dead, even if they are dust and mingled with dirt or in fish beliies, fish poop and scum on the bottom of the ocean. It will be transformed as Scripture says. How will it? I don't know, it just will!
Our minds ( the soul of man seat of intellect and emotions) are now renewed in Gods way and we must take in the Word of god to throw out teh old and bring in the new.
We are born again! And Born Again is actually a misnomer:
Born again is "gennao anothen" and actually means born from above! We are made a new creature. that's it! How-God does it ! He regenerates our spirit, is in process of renewing our minds and will raise our mortal bodies to be immortal.
1 Cor. 15:
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Behold
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I can.
Paul did.
Here it is...
"Born AGAIN" Spiritually.
That is not your body or your mind.
Now, the born again Spirit is the "Son/Daughter" of God...
Where are they, as "Born again"? Born again where?
Ronald Nolette
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Yes we are born from above.
And like the apostle Paul said we hold this treasure in these earthen vessels.
As I said our human spirit is made alive once more.
All people are born dichotomous- just a body and soul;, for all are born dead spiritually.
when we are born from above- our spirits are made alive again! that is why believers can communicate with and begin to understand god.
Behold
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The born again Spirit is the Son-Daughter of God.
This is the '"New Creation" "In Christ"..."one with God". "seated in heavenly places"..
Now, that is the CHRISTian.
See where they are?
There is no sin found there.
" behold....you mean im in this body, but im actually a born again Spirit, .... This is the real me as the Son of God".
Right.
We exist up there, already, "in Christ', yet we are in this body, but not as we were.
Now we are :
Colossians 2:11
We are in the body, but Born again, Spiritually, 'IN Christ".. "One with God".
That is the REAL Christian that is going to get the NEW Body.
There is no sin found "in Christ", "one with God".... where the born again Spirit, that is the Son/Daughter of God, exist, as a :
A.) 'new Creation....in....Christ'..
Where is Christ?
He's up there, Ronald., as so are the born again.... "SEATED, in heavenly places"... 'IN CHRIST"..
Jesus is SEATED at the right hand of the Father..
See all that?
That is who we have become as "born again.", and there is no sin found there.
Ronald Nolette
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Yes we are a new creature- but all of us is born again! Our bodies will be resurrected and raised incorruptible and immortal as Gods Word says! So Body, soul and spirit are born again though the body will die still.
Yes when we walk in the Spirit we do not sin, but we still have our old nature active in us. We must die daily to it! when we walk in the flesh (ouir human nature) we can do no good.
You did well until you once again promoted your living sinlessly perfect 24/7 again.
Behold
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Just the Spirit.
The "New Creation in Christ' is "in Christ"... "One with God"..
A.) Born again.... Spiritually.
"You body is dead because of sin" and your mind has to be "renewed".
The Son-Daughter of God, is the Born Again Spirit, that is separated from the old man. The Flesh
Colossians 2:11
RR144
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In Essentials - Unity
In Non-Essential - Liberty
In all things - Charity
In Non-Essential - Liberty
In all things - Charity
Ronald Nolette
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Yes we are separate form our old human nature, but it is stillo inside the person of God and we must die dail;y to it. when we fail it is 1 John 1:9 which you so blasphemitcally said is not for believers.
Behold
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Ronald Nolette
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I do stay there, but sadly it is you who totally misunderstand this verse.
The new man is incapable of sin. The old man isn't. We as believers are being renewed day by day.
Do you tell a brand new believer who just trusted Christ that they should not sin anymore? they do not even have hardly any of the Word of God in them! they may not even know 1/100,000 of the acts of the flesh that are sin! they need to learn and grow just as we all do!
You make God an ogrish tyrant who will woo and convince and plead with people to receive Christ and then kick them out if they sin. that is not the bible but a pharasaical construct.
I trust this verse far more:
Philippians 1:6
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Sin is no longer the issue-the penalty for all was paid for. Now God is free to love us as the new man and no longer sees the old man.
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