Is the Gift of Salvation nullified by the consequences of refusal?

[Eternally Grateful]

Faith itself is a work according to Jesus, John 6:28-29

it is the WORK OF GOD we believe in the one he sent.

Nice try, but as usual. you fail to grasp the problem

My faith is in the work of God. Not in my works

Your faith is in your works. plus the work of God.

thgat cancels grace. Paul is clear that grace and works do not mix. it is like oil and water

You can deny this, You can tell Jesus He was wrong in judgement.

Jesus was not wrong, YOU ARE!

Jesus taught works of obedience in His gospel.
That is true saving faith.
Biblical faith that saves has belief that acts by doing, obeying the works of God.

You can lie that I'm teaching meritorious works.
But Jesus includes works to be saved like faith,
I believe in Jesus' gospel not your strawman of works of merit salvation that you desperately try to pin on me

Jesus taught that as Moses lifted the serpent, so must the son of man be raised that whoevert BELIEVES IN HIM should never perish, but HAS eternal life. For God so loved the world, he gave his ONLY begotten son that WHOEVER believes.....

He who believes has life. he who does not believe does not have life. but the wrath of God

The only work is the cross. Jesus paid it all..

John 8:44

Every time you deny works are in salvation you deny what Jesus taught, that faith is a work of God that we do, John 6:28-29 ; John 14:12,
- Verily, verily I say unto you, he that believeth(faith is a work) on me, the works that I do shall he do also and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto My Father

Faith is a work of God that we work as Jesus' gospel commands us 1John 3:23-24.

Eternally Grateful, you hold to Baptist theology over the word of God.
Stop believing that faith is not a work, just believe what the Scriptures say!

Every time you add works you deny the cross.

You can have faith in God and his work and his promise

or you can have faith in your works, and your deeds.

You can;t do both.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Gods gift is grace
Gods grace is not unconditional unless you believe in calvinism, TULIP Unconditional election.

Romans 4:4

Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

I will go with Paul on this one

 

[Eternally Grateful]

and yet i notice no one wants to talk about what TRUE FAITH IS .
So allow me the same reminders that i am gonna continue to say .
FAITH .
GOD SAID , ABRAHAM BELIEVED WHAT GOD SAID , ABRAHAM DID WHAT GOD SAID .
THAT IS FAITH .
GOD gave testimony of HIS SON . CHRIST JESUS SPOKE the WORDS OF GOD , AS HE IS THE WORD OF GOD .
THUS FAITH .
Lambs believe WHAT HE SAID , Lambs DO WHAT HE SAID . And lambs dont sit and listen to well educated men
who do as did the serpent and say DID GOD , DID THE CHRIST really say ,
NO NO says the serpent . lambs dont heed that voice . And i be watching many folks
who are heeding the voice of the dark one through overly educated world wise men who do nothing
but try and twist the scrips to fit their own dark understanding . THIS LAMB WILL SIT UNDER NO SUCH ONES EITHER .

Abraham Believed and at that moment he was acounted as righteous, BEFORE he did any work

After that Abraham not only commited many sins, He did some works.. He did nto offer his son until decades after he was saved.

Works and grace do not mix...

we are saved by Grace

Our new creation works.

salvation has NOTHING to do with works

 

[amigo de christo]

Romans 4:4

Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

I will go with Paul on this one

For sure . But dont forget what else paul wrote .
He who wont provide , A DOING ACTION , for his own and specially for those of his own household
he has denied THE FAITH . just like i said paul nor james were ever once at odds with themselves .
THEIR is a difference between dead faith and true faith . THIS IS VERY TRUE .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm uncertain what you mean by a "different perspective." In my view, Paul has finished making his case for Salvation by faith apart from the Law at the end of chapter 8. Chapter 9 begins a new subject.

Chapter 9 is pauls response to another group that God called elect. that group being Israel.
He spends the next three chapters speaking about Israel. and explaining why it is God did not make a mistake in chosing them.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

For sure . But dont forget what else paul wrote .
He who wont provide , A DOING ACTION , for his own and specially for those of his own household
he has denied THE FAITH . just like i said paul nor james were ever once at odds with themselves .
THEIR is a difference between dead faith and true faith . THIS IS VERY TRUE .

Salvation, eternal life. comes through faith in the work of Christ. Nothing else..

if you add works to that truth, like the jews did, Paul says you are to be anathema!!

Works are a byproduct of our new life. our new creation (see Eph 2: 10) and our new nature.

they do not save us, they have no part in our salvation whatsoever

 

[marks]

I understand your point of view. The question on the table is "How far is God's reach?"

Consider, a man might think of himself as basically good, living a moral life punctuated by an occasional moral failure. Upon hearing the Gospel and believing it, he rests his hope for salvation on the finished work of Jesus Christ. But, upon reflection, he wonders whether a failure of faith is inevitable. Suppose in a moment of crisis when his livelihood is on the line, he recants. Will he lose his salvation?

The point is this, the very man who lived the moral life of his own free will, and yet failed; is the same man who heard the gospel and believed it of his own free will. It stands to reason that if it is inevitable that a moral man will fail, isn't it also inevitable that the believing man will also fail? If a man is unable to persevere in his moral life, why would we expect him to persevere in his life of faith?

I don't really understand what you are getting at with this above. Peter, among others, addresses the matter of crises of faith, as we call it, and what is the result for the true Christian.

It seems that your point of view is incomplete. Something must account for the perseverance of the faith, seeing that strength of will isn't enough.

Incomplete how?

The regenerated never return to the fleshy life. The born again are not "unborn", think Nicodemus, Can we become unborn? We believe, and we are born again, and that is a complete change of who and what we are. That change does not undo itself. God did it, and He assures us the result remains.

Peter also tells us that God is guarding us by His power through faith. Our faith is God's power in us. He does not fail us. Our very lives are His life in us. I'm crucified with Christ, yet I'm alive, yet not I, Christ lives in me.

No, I don't put anything to strength of will aside from our inconsistent ability to cooperate with what the Holy Spirit is doing in our lives, in us.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Abraham Believed and at that moment he was acounted as righteous, BEFORE he did any work

After that Abraham not only commited many sins, He did some works.. He did nto offer his son until decades after he was saved.

Works and grace do not mix...

we are saved by Grace

Our new creation works.

salvation has NOTHING to do with works

YES . YES we are counted RIGHTEOUS not by our works , BUT BY CHRIST JESUS . YOU WONT HEAR NO ARGUMENT FROM ME
about that . VERY TRUE . Abrahams BELIEF . our BELIEF IN JESUS IS WHAT SAVES US .
AND Due to the beauty of GOD , i cant really even take credit for having come to CHRIST as though i came on my own .
MEANING , IT SURE WAS NOT THE FLESH that led me to JESUS . RATHER GOD DREW and CONVICTED ME .
Yeah . beautiful is the GRACE OF GOD . GOD did that . HE PUT that desire IN MY HEART .
One day i was the old man loving sin and chasing lusts .
THEN suddenly a conviction , an interest , a stiring within my own conscious began which DREW ME RIGHT TO CHRIST .
OH , yeah , IT WAS OF THE LORD . My flesh was always leading me away FROM GOD and after the lusts of this world .
BUT GOD STOPPED that . HE DID . HE DID .
So , if you would like to hear me boast in me
about all i can say is this . I EARNED HELLS RAGING FIRES .
Now its time to BOAST IN GOD . BUT HE SENT GRACE , HE DREW ME TO CHRIST , HE CHANGED MY HEART .
HE put the love of truth IN THAT BIBLE upon my heart . HE has kept me safe from vile and wicked doctrines
of sold out men who love a lie and twist scriptures . HE DID and HE STILL DOES THAT .
OUR DUTY . OBEY THE SPIRIT . YEP .

 

[amigo de christo]

Salvation, eternal life. comes through faith in the work of Christ. Nothing else..

if you add works to that truth, like the jews did, Paul says you are to be anathema!!

Works are a byproduct of our new life. our new creation (see Eph 2: 10) and our new nature.

they do not save us, they have no part in our salvation whatsoever

AND AGAIN i aint doing that . I am simply REMINDING the CHURCH of TRUE FAITH VERSES DEAD FAITH .
And guess what my friend . By simple observation my best guess is , that well over ninety five percent
IF NOT more within even christanity HAS DEAD FAITH . ITS NOT REAL .
AND I DO HOPE TO GOD this puts the FEAR INTO MANY HEARTS
so that people will GET OFF their rears , STOP HEEDING MEN and GET back into THAT BIBLE and learn FOR THEMSELVES
and SEE EXACTLY WHO They been following . IS IT JESUS or is it men who use HIS NAME and decieve .
BIG DIFFERENCE between the two . HOPE that ENCOURAGED YOU TO DANCE A JIG AROUND THE HOUSE
then open your doors and DANCE A JIG ALL OVER YOUR LAWN , then into the streets .
AND THEN IF one hollers out , JUST SAY I AM PRAISING AND THANKING GOD FOR THE WONDERFUL
GRACE that was given to me .
IF you have time for quick story i will tell one .
I was once talking with a friend
and I got so joyed up i started dancing around and praising and thanking the LORD .
At first he kind of looked at me , cause we were standing OUTSIDE
of my house where neighbors could easily see .
AND I told him OH DONT WORRY they already think i am nuts , I MAY AS WELL HAVE THE JOY OF THE LORD .
Imagine how david must have looked to some when he too danced with all out joy before the ark .
AND YET I TELL US ALL , LOOK AT THE COVENANT WE NOW HAVE IN CHRIST . NOW DANCE THAT JIG
and let the KING be praised .

 

[amigo de christo]

My friend is here . amadeus , ya been spotted . TIME to praise and thank the GLORIOUS LORD .

 

[marks]

No, they are not functionally the same. But I agree, the character of a novel is not independent of the writer.

The character makes no choices as it's own self-determinate being, not even in the least respect. It's not just a matter of "how much independance". There is none.

Two questions:
Is independence necessary?
Can a creature become independent from the creator?

You need to ask the Creator to be sure.

What do you think about love? Is love of value if not freely given? Is love given by one's own choice the same as love that is "written into the story"? Do you want to read a book about lovers, or would you rather be in love with someone who is in love with you? What makes these different? A movie? A pre-programed AI virtual reality? Some are turning to this already!

What makes it "less than" a real love relationship with a real person?

I believe God created us to love Him in the same way He loves, because it's what we want. What we, ourselves, want. What we choose. Love.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

IT was so bad during the times of the prophet Eiisha
HE actually saw nothing but evil ones all around .
HE even got to the point HE believed himself to be the ONLY ONE LEFT that served GOD .
BUT GOD reminded him there is a tiny remnant that still had not bowed the knee to baal .
WELL so too even now there is a very tiny remnant who too have not bowed the knee to the all inclusive
perverted iamge of the delusion of the all inclusion .
BUT beleive me its small . Many have and are selling out to a lie that cannot save them and all under
a guise of what their carnal hearts thinks is love and is of God . IT AINT . IT aint at all of GOD nor is it LOVE .
But hour by hour more and more from all walks of life are entering into its all inclusive path .
LAMBS , BIBLE UP , ITS TIME TO CONTEND FOR THE TRUE FAITH .
Those who hear amen , those who forbear let them forbear . Just speak the truth and point to CHRIST .

 

[amadeus]

My friend is here . amadeus , ya been spotted . TIME to praise and thank the GLORIOUS LORD .

So many arguments here as if by winning [according to man] we win all blessings that God has to offer or by losing [according to man] we lose the blessings and gain the curses [God's curses?]...

As you say, my friend, it is time to praise and thank the glorious LORD!

 

[Titus]

it is the WORK OF GOD we believe in the one he sent

Agreed, but you deny that works are part of salvation.
Faith alone apart from works is your Baptist gospel.
You contradicted yourself when you admit faith is a work then claim no works to be saved.
btw, Danthemailman doesn't believe faith is work period. He teaches it is not even a work of God.
So you two are not agreeing on what faith is. That's confusion.

Nice try, but as usual. you fail to grasp the problem

No, you ignore what I teach. As we will see now...

My faith is in the work of God. Not in my works

Agreed. Proof you dont grasp what I'm teaching or like Dan are using strawman tactics
We both agree that NO WORKS OF MAN ARE INVOLVED IN SALVATION.
Faith is a work of God that we work through obedience to His gospel commandments, 1John 3:23-24.
When I believed in Jesus and His gospel that is a work of God that I'm obeying, not my work, a work of man.
If it was my works then it could not have been authorized by God.
It was not my gospel to include faith
Not my gospel to include repentance
Not my gospel to include confession
Not my gospel to include baptism
These are all Gods works that I obey.
When we obey God we are working the works of God by a obedient faith.
Not a faith of mans willl
A faith doing Gods will.

Your faith is in your works. plus the work of God

I have no works of my own. You dont understand, really don't want to listen!

Faith is not my work. God commands it in His gospel. I believe the gospel so I do Gods commandments
Repentance is not my work, its Gods work in His gospel. I believe His gospel so I do His commandments by working His works, John 6:28-29,
- How may we work the works of God?
Jesus said unto them, this is the work of God that you believe in Him whom He sent

Eternally Grateful when you were water baptized did you do your own work apart from Gods commandment to be baptized, Mark 16:15-16.
Or did you do you learn about baptism from God?
You will teach baptism is a work of man as you have many times.
Who taught one must be water baptized? Man or Jesus? John 3:5; Mark 16:15-16.

Obeying what God says is doing His works.
No works of man in what I teach.
I teach the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Only His will must be worked, Matthew 7:21.

Your faith is in your works. plus the work of God.

thgat cancels grace. Paul is clear that grace and works do not mix. it is like oil and water

That is your ignorance of how Jesus' gospel works.
John taught it is a commandment to believe in Jesus, 1John 3:23-24
Therefore you must obey/do this commandment to be saved.
When we obey Gods commandments like believe and obey the commandment to be baptized
We are working the works of God.
Perfect harmony.

The only work is the cross. Jesus paid it all

Right here you just contradicted your gospel of faith apart from all works to be saved.
You follow a man made gospel that originates from the works of the devil.

Every time you add works you deny the cross

Here you are again contradicting yourself.
His work on the cross is what saves us!
Make up your mind! Works or no works!

You can have faith in God and his work and his promise

or you can have faith in your works, and your deeds.

You can;t do both.

Amen! No works of man save.
That is why believing in God is a work of God that we do, just as Jesus taught, John 6:28-29.

Now if you try and say I'm teaching works of man save again.
Since you know I do not believe or teach this.
You will become a liar like Dan if you say I teach works of man save from this point on.

Let's see if you are an honest man?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Thanks.
I've been trying to launch thought-provoking topics for all to discuss.
I find myself at a place where I am questioning things.
Trying to sort through what we were raised with religiously.

Yes, biblically speaking, the free gift is eternal life. Meaning: we can't earn it.

I think the problem arises when we lead with that for evangelism.
Jesus said to count the cost, pick up the cross daily and follow.
Certainly THAT'S NOT FREE !!!!!

I think that if we say "gift" we can't redefine what that means to fit the gift of God.
If the alternative is to be incinerated, it's not really a gift, it's extortion.

Interesting question.
If there are "implications" (strings attached) it's no longer a gift.
Not a FREE gift anyway. What does "free" mean?

That's a GREAT question.
I saw a poll on another forum that asked the question:
"If there was no afterlife, would you still follow Jesus?"

I was shocked at the poll results and following discussion.
The vast majority of Christian respondents gave a resounding, "No!"

Back to your question...
Most don't see any VALUE in what we have now BEFORE the afterlife.
And it would not be worthwhile to them without the afterlife to follow.

A relationship with God in the here and now is a treasure to hold.
And that will continue into the afterlife as a face-to-face relationship.

I'm not sure if many Christians will even be able to identify God when they
get to heaven, since they don't really recognize him now.

Too many worship a god made of paper and ink with a cow hide cover. Moo.
If they actually met God, they would quote their book against him.

"Your book says all those bad people are supposed to burn forever. why are you
showing mercy to them? I thought 'love your enemies' only applied to us."

Yes, biblically speaking, the free gift is eternal life. Meaning: we can't earn it.
Question: Suppose you could earn it. Would you still want it?

[I'm in a thoughtful questioning mood. ]

If there are "implications" (strings attached) it's no longer a gift.
Let me list a few things I had in mind.

What does the Bible mean by "life?" Of course, we all know what life is. And so, perhaps, we inadvertently take a phrase like "eternal life" for granted. Think about the definition of "life". One such definition is "biological viability." life is a bodily function and so it might be fair to ask whether "eternal life" is the eternal prolonging of biological viability, or is it something more? Jesus seems to think that it is something more than that. He tells us, "For this reason, I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing?" Matthew 6:25 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly." John 10:10

Here Jesus hints at a quality of life beyond subsistence living. Not only does life everlasting never end, but "eternal" life is a much deeper, more fulfilling, more profound, more positive, much richer existence than this one. A pastor friend and I coined the term "aionic life" to represent the more excellent, meaningful, rewarding, fulfilling, happy, and joyous life that will be found in the next age. Eternal life is "aionic" life. Life now is frustrating, limiting, disappointing, and futile, but the next life will be qualitatively much more profound and much richer in texture. And, consequently, aionic life is of inestimable value; priceless.

The bottom line is this. God's gift is not only "free" it is so inestimable that it is beyond price. The value is incalculable. If I could earn it, I wouldn't want it.

Much more could be said, but TTFN

 

[amigo de christo]

So many arguments here as if by winning [according to man] we win all blessings that God has to offer or by losing [according to man] we lose the blessings and gain the curses [God's curses?]...

As you say, my friend, it is time to praise and thank the glorious LORD!

OH indeed its time to praise the glorious LORD my friend .
Amadeus i have something i want to remind us all about my friend .
And that is this .
THERE IS A WAY which seems right unto man but the end thereof is death .
Did you know that many can even use the name of CHRIST JESUS
and yet be following another path , another jesus which in the end will be only the second death .
SO i have a real simple idea . Folks need to get in the bible for themselves
, reading it for THEMSELVES and not through the lens of any denomination .
IN other words , START OVER in just the bible and pray to GOD and see what begins to happen .
As for the two groups . One group follows the teachings of men , sure they have some truths
but they also hold to lies . doctrine has been twisted in order to suit an idea or a teaching of man .
THEN you have the other , by far tinier but BLESSED GROUP . GOD PUT THE LOVE FOR TRUTH upon their hearts
they love that bible and feast on it . IF JESUS SAID they BELIEVE , they do and they will not omit nor contradict
ANY of His teachings . THe other by far larger group , THEY DO JUST THAT , they keep some things
but happily omit other teachings WHICH GET In the way of their own hearts desire .
SO , i just wanted to remind us all , ITS HIGH TIME WE GOT back in the BIBLE and read it for ourselves .
Now , most folks will tell me , BUY HEY AMIGO , i have read it three whole times .
TO which i say GOOD FOR YOU , NOW KEEP ON READING IT and KEEP ON READING IT .
Amadeus my hearts concern IS FOR the people . We truly do have a massive delusion under the guise of
a false love that is leading so many captive to a lie . A lie which does UNIFY , but not under GOD IT DONT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Raise those hands amadeus , the LORD IS OUR HOPE , HE IS OUR SALVATION . Praise be to HIS HOLY NAME .

 

[amadeus]

OH indeed its time to praise the glorious LORD my friend .
Amadeus i have something i want to remind us all about my friend .
And that is this .
THERE IS A WAY which seems right unto man but the end thereof is death .
Did you know that many can even use the name of CHRIST JESUS
and yet be following another path , another jesus which in the end will be only the second death .
SO i have a real simple idea . Folks need to get in the bible for themselves
, reading it for THEMSELVES and not through the lens of any denomination .
IN other words , START OVER in just the bible and pray to GOD and see what begins to happen .
As for the two groups . One group follows the teachings of men , sure they have some truths
but they also hold to lies . doctrine has been twisted in order to suit an idea or a teaching of man .
THEN you have the other , by far tinier but BLESSED GROUP . GOD PUT THE LOVE FOR TRUTH upon their hearts
they love that bible and feast on it . IF JESUS SAID they BELIEVE , they do and they will not omit nor contradict
ANY of His teachings . THe other by far larger group , THEY DO JUST THAT , they keep some things
but happily omit other teachings WHICH GET In the way of their own hearts desire .
SO , i just wanted to remind us all , ITS HIGH TIME WE GOT back in the BIBLE and read it for ourselves .
Now , most folks will tell me , BUY HEY AMIGO , i have read it three whole times .
TO which i say GOOD FOR YOU , NOW KEEP ON READING IT and KEEP ON READING IT .
Amadeus my hearts concern IS FOR the people . We truly do have a massive delusion under the guise of
a false love that is leading so many captive to a lie . A lie which does UNIFY , but not under GOD IT DONT .

Some people call it a slippery slope [or a talus slope?] on which people walk. To stand still in on it is not possible. One must strive in his walk so as even to retain his current place in God. To walk too slow or to stop is to slide backwards or downward. To climb... how can anyone climb upward toward God. Without His help it is impossible.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I don't really understand what you are getting at with this above. Peter, among others, addresses the matter of crises of faith, as we call it, and what is the result for the true Christian.

Yes, Paul, Peter, and James each talk about the testing of our faith. The question is this. Do we have a toughened, unbreakable faith resistant to apostasy? And am I constitutionally capable of such a resilient, hardy faith that it will never fail, or do I need divine aid?

Incomplete how?

Hmm. I get everything you said about free will and the choices we must make. And I don't disagree with what you said. What is lacking in your well-done summary, in my opinion, is the strength of character. Free will choices are not only uncoerced choices; free will choices reflect who I am as a person. In a sense, I am defined by my choices. If you want to know me, follow me around and see how I treat my wife and my children. See how I respond to stressful situations. See what I do when someone cuts me off in traffic. But ultimately, we must account for the fact that some persevere in faith while others don't.

If I don't have enough self-discipline to avoid moral failure, what makes me think that I have enough self-discipline to avoid apostasy? What sustains me and keeps me from giving up?

The regenerated never return to the fleshy life. The born again are not "unborn", think Nicodemus, Can we become unborn? We believe, and we are born again, and that is a complete change of who and what we are. That change does not undo itself. God did it, and He assures us the result remains.

Excellent" Regeneration. Born again. You said it. That's where I was headed. Thank you.

Peter also tells us that God is guarding us by His power through faith. Our faith is God's power in us. He does not fail us. Our very lives are His life in us. I'm crucified with Christ, yet I'm alive, yet not I, Christ lives in me.

Well said. Yes!

No, I don't put anything to the strength of will aside from our inconsistent ability to cooperate with what the Holy Spirit is doing in our lives, in us.

Much love!

Agreed.

 

[amigo de christo]

Some people call it a slippery slope [or a talus slope?] on which people walk. To stand still in on it is not possible. One must strive in his walk so as even to retain his current place in God. To walk too slow or to stop is to slide backwards or downward. To climb... how can anyone climb upward toward God. Without His help it is impossible.

IF it be not FOR THE LORD what man could walk uprightly . All lambs are in dire need daily of the LORD . Yes indeed my friend .
I like what john also once wrote .
John was warning against so many false spirits , so many false prophets and telling them to TEST the spirits .
Later he writes and says But ye have overcome ...............THEM .
THEM .
The false prophets , the false spirits .
BUT WHY OR HOW .
FOR GREATER IS HE , HE , HE that is IN YOU than he that is in the world . YEAH ITS CAUSE OF THE GLORIOUS LORD .
I love what paul once wrote too concering this .
Paul wrote , YET I , I LABORED more abundantely than them all . NOW if he had stopped there folks might have thought
he was boasting in himself . BUT HE CONTINUES . YET NOT I , NOT I , NOT I , But the grace of GOD .
YEAH paul knew his strength came FROM THE LORD . TRUTH is paul even says he had rather glory in His infirmities ,
AKA the things that he suffered for Christ . FOR WHEN I AM WEAK , then AM I STRONG .
THE GRACE OF GOD IS SUFFICIENT FOR US AMADEUS . HE alone is our salvation , HE ALONE our only HOPE
HE ALONE our only strenght . the SPIRIT is willing but the flesh be weak . PRAY YE THEREFORE
that you ENTER NOT INTO temptation . YEAH all OUR FOCUS must be ON THE LORD . ALL OUR HOPE , our TRUST IN HE ALONE
and not in man or ourselves . BUT IN GOD . Now lift those hands amadeus , raise them up
and you just THANK and PRAISE THE LORD .