Split within the Southern Baptist Church

[amigo de christo]

As a whole I agree but there are a lot of issues and topics that occur in the modern world that could not be addressed in the scriptures and God counts on us to address them based on the Spirit of Christ....

You might be suprised by what i say next , but did you know that every singel issue in life
can be ADDRESSED by BIBLICAL DOCTRINE .
Just a friendly reminder .

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[Grailhunter]

But, there is only one way to be that type of Eunuch.

Well we can get into the types of Eunuchs, it is not just about being celibate and we can see with the Catholic Church's desire to do something so unnatural and the problems it causes. Sex drives are deep inside the brain under survival instincts, it going to happen...as Christians we should control when it is going to happen.

Now addressing what you said about sex drives…You have to have the gift from God, of total self control over your sex drive. Few have that gift.

Does God say that it is a gift?

The thing to remember, sex drives were not created by Satan. There is a reason that God put it in our heads (men) to want to love on the beauty and the twin firm roundnesses of a woman. I wrote an essay on this in college…. humor. If God would not have created sex drives men would just hang with men and have fun hunting and fishing and drinking wine and sleeping in a lean to.

No matter how you cut it male / female relationships are a lot of work. And I am not just talking about the relationship difficulties, I mean support and housing and parenting….when you could just be out having fun….no reason to even grow up or build anything.

The church does not talk enough about this. Christian conduct regarding sex in not only a matter of morality. Morality is not the only key to success in marriage. For a Christian family to succeed it has to be a matter of love and respect….LOL…it is what makes us different than animals. Love and respect from one end of the relationship to the other.

Sex is a serious matter not only because of the morality but also the ramifications…..the relationship…the children…the diseases. Don’t have sex with someone unless you are in love with them because the fact is, if you have sex, biblically you are married, it is an official marriage. No requirement for a wedding ceremony in the Bible. So if you have sex with someone after that you are committing adultery. Sex is serious and as Christians we are required to take it seriously. We should only have one sexual partner in our life. This is why this should be a topic in church, so much of our Christian lives revolve around proper sexual conduct.

Just saying no is not enough….trying to portray sex as dirty, nasty, and sinful and of the devil…has caused a lot of horror and does not work.

Having one sexual partner, does that always happen? Well we know it does not. But it is like other sins….we can get forgiveness but Christ does not expect us to make the same mistake over and over. Our journey in Christianity is about learning from our mistakes not taking Christ for a fool and expecting him to forgive us for the same thing over and over.

The morality of the Bible is there to help us to not make the mistakes that have been made since the dawn of time.

 

[amigo de christo]

NOW LIFT THOSE HANDS , ITS LORD PRAISING and LORD THANKING TIME in the building and round the world .

 

[Grailhunter]

You might be suprised by what i say next , but did you know that every singel issue in life
can be ADDRESSED by BIBLICAL DOCTRINE .
Just a friendly reminder .

I don't agree with that....entirely.
You have to do a lot of adding to the scriptures to get that done.
Reading things into the scriptures that are not there.

 

[Grailhunter]

You want me to conclude that the Son of Man talking to an unsaved OT Pharisee who was trying to trap Him into a game of words, is the same as the NT talking to a born again Believer, regarding marriage, divorce, and remarriage?

C'mon.

You need to rethink your position, regarding quite a few of your opinions, Grailhunter.

No I am spot on every time.
Christ turned it around on them and took the opportunity to make a point.

 

[Grailhunter]

You might be suprised by what i say next , but did you know that every singel issue in life
can be ADDRESSED by BIBLICAL DOCTRINE .
Just a friendly reminder .

Sorry buddy for the short response

As you know the Jewish leaders put heavy burdens on Jews by reinterpreting the Law.

Christianity has done the same thing to Christians by making man-made sins. Making something a sin is more or less making a law. The way they do that is by reading things in to the scriptures that are not there.

But then most modern moral issues are covered in the Bible.

And then again there are certain technical things that the Bible could not cover.

Is it a sin to have surgery?
Is it a sin to resuscitate someone?
How about life support?
How about incubation of babies?
Blood transfusions?

Then you have the whole topic of genetic engineering? In people and food.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Christianity is Christ on the Cross offering this.

A.) 2 Corinthians 5:19

That is not a religion.
And will never be a religion.

What else?

Religion can't lead you to God.
Only Christ can lead you to God . John 14:6

To Join Him spiritually, by being born again, is how you become a CHRISTian, and that is not a religion.

No !
Salvation IS only possible by Christ dying on the cross and being raised to live by God !
Romans 10:9 KJV
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised HIM FROM THE DEAD, thou shalt be saved.

A Buddhist could say the same as you've said, I follow Buddha, therefore I'm a Buddhist.

You have no basis for saying Christianity isn't a religion !
This word, " christian" was first used as a slur against the disciples of Jesus, the Christ, by the Romans to put them down as something less than.
I do not use this term.

Many, many tout the name "christian" yet this will be what Jesus, my Lord, will say unto them;

Matthew 7:21 KJV
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

What leads a person to desire a relationship with God ?
Let us just see.

The Holy Spirit comes to convict us of righteousness, not just of sin. His role is to convict the world of sin so that they may believe in God to bring them to Christ. He does convict us of sin , but He also wants to convince us of the righteousness that we have through Jesus Christ. His gift is not just conviction but is also communion.

JOHN 16:8
"And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:"

This then is what will happen.
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation ,not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2 Corinthians 7:10 KJV

The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delievereth them out of all their troubles. The LORD is nigh into them that are of a broken heart; AND SAVETH SUCH AS BE OF A CONTRITE SPIRIT.
Psalm 34:17-18 KJV

No!
JESUS isnt a religion., but He is CHRISTianity, you said, Behold.
No!
JESUS IS THE SALVATION OF GOD;
NOT AN OR ANY ANITY !!!!!!!! I say this instead.

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[Behold]

A Buddhist could say the same as you've said,

If the Buddhist is born again, then you are right.

If he's water baptized and religious, then you're not.

 

[Lambano]

This word, " christian" was first used as a slur against the disciples of Jesus, the Christ, by the Romans to put them down as something less than.
I do not use this term.

I got into it once with another user about this one.

Yes, Χριστιανούς ("Christians") was first used as a slur. We embraced it, and the world doesn't understand why we would embrace a slur. But this is why: Χριστιανούς means "little Christs", and could there be any greater compliment than if others could see little Christs in us?

 

[ButterflyJones]

It started as a slur and IMO denotes worse than this today.
Too many use this guise to commit adultery, pedophilia, murder ect ect and call themselves " christian".

A disciple is a follower of a Master. I therefore am a disciple of Jesus Christ.

However, I'll not debate the all encompassing term.

2Corinthians 11 KJV
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

I disagree with the claim that evil people use the term Christian as a guise to commit evil acts.

Those people are not Christians. And it can't be a term employed to disguise their evil acts.

Semantics is a personal issue. If someone opposed the term Christian because evil has been perpetrated in its name that affords evil power able to corrupt the identity of those in Christ. Which implies the power of God and his armor that surrounds Christians is able to be overcome.


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[ButterflyJones]

You have your opinion as expressed, I have mine.

The term has absolutely nothing to do with God nor his power, characteristics and attributes.

Rather the term is a shield that evil does hide behind.
It has been said in this age, not to discount the crusades either or events of times past, but rather of family annihilators, child predators, even serial killers, ect. " They were christian, faithful in service to their church and family ect."

I'm disagreeing with the term of, not the actual, true believers and followers of Christ.

Look again at all the present day evil of homosexuality that presents itself as " christian, God loving" but we both agree this is abominable, correct?

Abominable, correct.

However, we also both know that the evils you described are not examples of those in Christ. They are examples of evil that examples oin that label attached to themselves that they are nominal christians. Name only.
Which is not genuinely Christian.

Personally, I don't believe evil should be credited with some choosing to disregard the genuine Holy Spirit filled identity of Christian because nominal evil has through its actions led to a bad impression of the identity due to their vile behaviors.

They've cast evil acts into the history of the world. Making the identity of Christian yet another victim due to that gives them an authority they cannot have.

No one who is Christian believes Ted Bundy was one of us. Nor do Catholics accept the Nazis were actually Catholics.

Christian and evil do not share the same space.

 

[Grailhunter]

Abominable, correct.

However, we also both know that the evils you described are not examples of those in Christ. They are examples of evil that examples oin that label attached to themselves that they are nominal christians. Name only.
Which is not genuinely Christian.

Personally, I don't believe evil should be credited with some choosing to disregard the genuine Holy Spirit filled identity of Christian because nominal evil has through its actions led to a bad impression of the identity due to their vile behaviors.

They've cast evil acts into the history of the world. Making the identity of Christian yet another victim due to that gives them an authority they cannot have.

No one who is Christian believes Ted Bundy was one of us. Nor do Catholics accept the Nazis were actually Catholics.

Christian and evil do not share the same space.

I am here.....having fun?!
Need some help?

 

[ButterflyJones]

I am here.....having fun?!
Need some help?

You don't need my permission.

I just realized I entered into a ridiculous argument with no real foundation to it. Just another person entering here to assail our faith using a unique tactic. Sad.
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[Grailhunter]

You don't need my permission.

I just realized I entered into a ridiculous argument with no real foundation to it. Just another person entering here to assail our faith using a unique tactic. Sad.
.

Correct.
May God have mercy on their soul.

 

[amigo de christo]

Sorry buddy for the short response

As you know the Jewish leaders put heavy burdens on Jews by reinterpreting the Law.

Christianity has done the same thing to Christians by making man-made sins. Making something a sin is more or less making a law. The way they do that is by reading things in to the scriptures that are not there.

But then most modern moral issues are covered in the Bible.

And then again there are certain technical things that the Bible could not cover.

Is it a sin to have surgery?
Is it a sin to resuscitate someone?
How about life support?
How about incubation of babies?
Blood transfusions?

Then you have the whole topic of genetic engineering? In people and food.

Genetically engineering babies is not right .
As far as the other stuff , its all care . So no its not a sin .
Simple enough . SIN is sin . now drinking blood is a sin . Drinking it is sin . But
we dont drink blood for transfusions now do we . Exactly .
How on earth could incubating babies be a sin . Again that is care .
Nor is resusictation .
nor is surgeory . WELL , lest it be altering our privy parts . YEAH that BE SIN . HOW GOD MADE US IS WHAT WE ARE .
Pretty simple . Thanks for asking .

 

[Grailhunter]

Genetically engineering babies is not right .
As far as the other stuff , its all care . So no its not a sin .
Simple enough . SIN is sin . now drinking blood is a sin . Drinking it is sin . But
we dont drink blood for transfusions now do we . Exactly .
How on earth could incubating babies be a sin . Again that is care .
Nor is resusictation .
nor is surgeory . WELL , lest it be altering our privy parts . YEAH that BE SIN . HOW GOD MADE US IS WHAT WE ARE .
Pretty simple . Thanks for asking .

You are probably right on the engineered babies.
But that is not my point, you are not going to find a scripture about genetically engineered babies.
Or going to the Moon.

How we come to conclusions on modern issues is to understand the Spirit of Christ.
We can conclude that aborting babies is an abomination because we understand the Spirit of Christ.
But then again T-cell medical use is something that is not going to show up in the scriptures. If they come from aborted babies, that is a different story.
So when it comes to technical issues you have to look at it overall.

 

[amigo de christo]

You are probably right on the engineered babies.
But that is not my point, you are not going to find a scripture about genetically engineered babies.
Or going to the Moon.

How we come to conclusions on modern issues is to understand the Spirit of Christ.
We can conclude that aborting babies is an abomination because we understand the Spirit of Christ.
But then again T-cell medical use is something that is not going to show up in the scriptures. If they come from aborted babies, that is a different story.
So when it comes to technical issues you have to look at it overall.

Yeah but those are not SIN ISSUES .
though i would say going to the moon is a waste of time . I mean who are we gonna evanglize too on the moon .
SO it do seem a bit like a total waste of time .
And as far as ENGINEERED babies . OH yeah it be a sin . HOW GOD MAKES and creates is HOW it ought to be done .
But thanks for the questions .

 

[ButterflyJones]

Correct.
May God have mercy on their soul.

Amen.

 

[amigo de christo]

If this is in my direction, you could not be more wrong about my faith or belief in Christ, Jesus .
I am a person who will stand united with the followers of Jesus in the belief that he is God, Lord and Saviour !
He is the Word of all whom will believe, accept and follow him. I stand against heretical doctrines and beliefs of many so called " christian" denominations, when in fact God is far from them.
Furthermore, I came to fellowship in the reasoning of believers together in faith, not to argue.
If this is directed at the OP, well he will have to speak for himself, as he is, I think, a Jehovah's Witness.
@Grailhunter , may God have mercy on all of our souls !

To the trenches my dear sister . This war is for the souls of men and thus the lambs shall point to CHRIST JESUS
and all HE did teach , to all sound biblical doctrine .
And i might add this too , TIME is far later than most folks would dare to realize .
THE LORD is with HIS lambs and unto HE and HE ALONE shall we look too and follow and HEED .
Stay well glued in that bible sister . And let us arise and praise and thank the LORD
with many praises and lots of thanksgivings . FOR IN HE IS OUR HOPE , IN HE OUR SALVATION .
THERE IS NO OTHER NAME GIVEN whereby one may be saved . You just point to the glorious LORD till our last
day on earth . And then FOREVER SHALL WE BE WITH THE ONE WHO SET US FREE . Paradise with GOD ,with CHRIST
awaits all lambs . But woe unto the souls who rejected HIM . yeah i do say WOE unto those .
The LORD is glorious , wonderous and full of mercy and compassion . Slow to anger .
But woe wail the souls who denied THE CHRIST on the DAY OF THE LORD .
I leave us with this reminder .
HOW OFTEN I WOULD HAVE GATHERED YOU , ONLY YE WOULD NOT .
There is still time for folks to be saved , but in a day and at a hour known not to man
THAT DOOR GONNA SHUT and wailing begins for all who denied HIM .
Just a reminder . And this is why WE STAY GLUED to pointing to the ONLY HOPE ONE HAS .
Cause false hope saves none . BUT JESUS CAN .