Tongues ( 'sign' gifts ) did/did not cease?

[Behold]

Bob, IT WAS SUPERNATURAL HEARING!!!

There is no "gift of Hearing".

You just made that up, but actually you were taught that idea.
Its not scriptural.

Peter spoke in Tongues, because He has the "Signs of an Apostle."

They that heard him, didn't have a gift of spiritual hearing.

Notice the 9 Gifts of the Spirit?

Where is "spiritual Hearing?

Its not there... so, its best not to teach this false stuff, that someone taught you to believe, that is not based on the NT.

 

[Behold]

Our prayers do not need to be interpreted, but a person with the gift may be able to interpret them if the Spirit allows.

Nobody "interpreted" during Pentecost.
They didnt have to, as Peter was speaking in their Language.

"gift of TONGUES"..

"tongues" = Languages.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

is all the concept of the pentecostal movement, and is not scriptural.

I don't teach anything that isn't scriptural

Apostles
1st - John 20: 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
2nd - Acts 1:8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

The second was to minister:
Acts 2:
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, (about the 120 speaking in tongues) since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: (PROPHECY forthtelling)

17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams........

120 disciples with them
1st - Acts 2: 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
2nd - Acts 4:29-31
29 Now, Lord, look on their threats, and grant to Your servants that with all boldness they may speak Your word, 30 by stretching out Your hand to heal, and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.” 31 And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.

Some, many, are born again, and never receive a prayer language.
You can go right now to Acts 8, and read the case of the Eunuch, who was born again, and he never spoke in any tongue.
Did He forget?

I would say there are man claiming to be Christians that cannot abide in Christ because they do not have the Holy Spirit in them. We MUST be abiding in Christ or we do not belong to Him.

Of those ALL CAN speak in tongues as well as the other 3 authorties of Mark 16:16-18. But NO ALL WILL. That is because of John Calvin and his Cessationism.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

There is no "gift of Hearing".

You just made that up, but actually you were taught that idea.
Its not scriptural.

Peter spoke in Tongues, because He has the "Signs of an Apostle."

They that heard him, didn't have a gift of spiritual hearing.

Notice the 9 Gifts of the Spirit?

Where is "spiritual Hearing?

Its not there... so, its best not to teach this false stuff, that someone taught you to believe, that is not based on the NT.

How else do you think the gift of interpretation works? You hear what is being said in tongues in your own language.

God can speak many languages, but when he speaks to me, I hear him in English. If I had the gift of interpretation of tongues He would also speak to me when they were speaking, but so far, nope. I only hear the tongue. However, because I can speak in tongues, I can tell when someone is speaking in fake tongues.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Nobody "interpreted" during Pentecost.
They didnt have to, as Peter was speaking in their Language.

"gift of TONGUES"..

"tongues" = Languages.

No, Peter spoke in their common language. They understood naturally what he was preaching. They were bilingual.

The 3000 devout Jews were doing the interpreting of the tongues and understood all of them speaking their own language.

 

[Behold]

1st - John 20: 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

That is the Holy Spirit being given to them.

2nd - Acts 1:8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you;

This is the power of the Holy Spirit.
That is the empowering for service.
That is the "CALL of God" on the person.



So, one is the receiving and one is the em-power-ing for service.


Here is the other part of Paul's teaching on the Gifts.
He says to seek the best one.
"tongues" is #9.
Its the least. Its on the bottom, yet, there are denominations that ONLY chase this one, and their members only chase this one.

That's also "unscriptural".

 

[Behold]

How else do you think the gift of interpretation works?

By discernement.
Its the only manifestation.

Notice that "tongues are for a sign, and signs are for the Jews".

You are not a Jew.
You are not an apostle in the 1st Century who has the "signs of a JEWISH apostle".. (They were all Jews).

So, as i was trying to help you understand.
THere is a lot of junk theology, that twists verses to suit carnal denominations, and they all chase "tongues" while not understanding what it is,....at all.

See the issue?
So, what you do, is get out of that situation, and never look back.

 

[Behold]

However, because I can speak in tongues, I can tell when someone is speaking in fake tongues.

What happens when you realize that this is the Pastor faking it?

 

[ElieG12]

Modern speaking languages is not any "spiritual gift". I speak English, Spanish, Italian, ... but I had to study them.
Speaking gibberish isn't a "spiritual gift" either ... babies do that too.

No one person today can speak a real human language without studying it first and that's why those speaking in those churches never say a real thing in any human language. Nobody can translate what they say, since nobody have study "gibberish " language ... I guess it is spoken in Giberia or any other place taken from a science fiction and fantasy book ... ;)

 

[Behold]

No, Peter spoke in their common language. They understood naturally what he was preaching

They were amazed that they heard him in their "own" language"
He was speaking it, because that is the "gift"

"tongues'.

1.) Being able to speak in a foreign language that you never learned, because you are dealing with a listener who can't understand your language.

So, God gives the "gift of a foreign language" to you, for their benefit.

"Gift of Tongues".

 

[Behold]

1st - Acts 2: 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues,

"Other tongues".

"other foreign languages" that you have never learned.

This is not a "prayer language" that some have and is for self edifying.

"groanings that can't be uttered".

'''""""In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.""""


Peter was not using "wordless groans" when he was Preaching Christ to those who heard him in "their own language".

And let me state again, that i am not against, nor do i deny the Gifts of the Spirit.
I do not deny that some believers have a "prayer language".

The confusion is the issue.
The confusion, is the fact that their are pentecostal/charismatic denominations that do not make the distinction between the
"gift of tongues" and the "prayer language".

Get that solved, and its all good.
However, it will never be solved in those denoms, so, it will never be right.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

"Other tongues".

"other foreign languages" that you have never learned.

This is not a "prayer language" that some have and is for self edifying.

"groanings that can't be uttered".

'''""""In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.""""


Peter was not using "wordless groans" when he was Preaching Christ to those who heard him in "their own language".

I never said Peter was. In fact no one has. I said he used their common language. They could all speak Hebrew.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

They were amazed that they heard him in their "own" language"
He was speaking it, because that is the "gift"

"tongues'.

1.) Being able to speak in a foreign language that you never learned, because you are dealing with a listener who can't understand your language.

So, God gives the "gift of a foreign language" to you, for their benefit.

"Gift of Tongues".

It wasn't Peter who was speaking in tongues. It was the 120. Peter and the eleven were at their side and received the second filling. Peter received Prophecy and understood that what was happening was the fulfillment of the Joel 2 prophecy and preached in about that to them in Hebrew.

 

[Behold]

I. I said he used their common language.

Listen carefully.

If peter and all the jews spoke the same hebrew dialects, then there would have been no need for him to speak in the gift of tongues so that they could understand it.

If He could speak their Hebrew Dialect, and there were many there, that day, then they would not have said..>>"we hear him in OUR Language".

 

[Behold]

It wasn't Peter who was speaking in tongues. It was the 120. Peter and the eleven were at their side and received the second filling.

No 2nd filling.
Just a empowering for service.

The Holy Spirit does not leak out of you.
You dont go to the Holy Spirit Service Station and get a refill.
He's all there, all the time.

Some are called.....they are chosen, they are enabled for a specific ministry.

And notice that none of the 120 , nor Peter, was water baptized, Yet they were all .... made a partaker of the Gift from Heaven.
= The Comforter come down.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Listen carefully.

If peter and all the jews spoke the same hebrew dialects, then there would have been no need for him to speak in the gift of tongues so that they could understand it.

If He could speak their Hebrew Dialect, and there were many there, that day, then they would not have said..>>"we hear him in OUR Language".

It was a sign. It was sovereign. They didn't need to understand it even, because they overheard praises to God that doesn't need interpretation. But God used it to DRAW THEM to Christ and to listen what Peter preached.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

No 2nd filling.
Just a empowering for service.

The Holy Spirit does not leak out of you.
You dont go to the Holy Spirit Service Station and get a refill.
He's all there, all the time.

And notice that none of the 120 , nor Peter, was water baptized, Yet they were all .... made a partaker of the Gift from Heaven.
The Comforter come down.

All who believe and are baptized receive the authorities/manifestations in Mark 16:16-18 - ALL CHRISTIANS WHO ARE BORN OF THE SPIRIT.

Not all receive the ministry gifts of 1 Corinthians 12, except one. I have all except the gifts of diverse kinds of tongues and interpretation of tongues. I also heard of another one, and asked God that if it was from Him, I would like that one too, and He gave it to me. It is linked with discernment of spirits to test them. The ability to see the spirits. It is only during a sermon that I can see what spirit he is preaching from.

 

[Behold]

God used it to DRAW THEM to Christ and to listen what Peter preached.

Acts 2 says that they heard Peter speak, "in our own language".

What was He telling them?

"repent".

Later, after He met Paul, he stopped preaching that Jewish John the Baptist's message of repent and get wet.
He Learned from Paul "the Gospel of the Grace of God"..
But in Acts 2, he gave them what he knew, at that time.

"repent of unbelief, get wet".


Later, starting about a decade after that Pentecost, God began to show Peter the New Covenant Message.
And by the end of Acts 15, all the Apostles knew the "Gospel of the Grace of God"......that is "Paul's".
But in Acts 2, none of them knew it yet., so they preached, John the Baptist + Jesus.

"Repent and get Wet"

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Acts 2 says that they heard Peter speak, "in our own language".

What was He telling them?

I looked for this verse and couldn't find it. Acts 2 is a long chapter; what verse are you referring to?

 

[Behold]

All who believe and are baptized receive the authorities/manifestations in Mark 16:16-18

Signs follow all the Apostles.
That's true.

See, the Pentecostal - Charismatic movement, is the one that does not understand that its this.

"The Acts of the Apostles".

"Book of Acts'" is the "Acts of the Apostles.""

They dont understand this, so they teach it falsely as "the acts of the born again Christian".

And like i told you earlier, Jesus never spoke in Tongues, and not all who come to Jesus, believing, do what you have been taught to think.

I just showed you that the Eunuch, in Acts 8, was born again, and never spoke in Tongues.

You want to make it "always and everytime", exactly like a person who trusts in water as a part of salvation, cant understand the that Dying Thief, who is in heaven, was not water baptized.