I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

[GRACE ambassador]

There is no explicit rapture timing statement given in the Bible period. None. Not One.

Correct! Confirmed by explicit Scripture *:

"...then we [ including Paul ] which are alive and remain..." (1Th 4:17a *)

Now, If Paul 'expected' departure ( at Any [ Imminent ] Moment ),
in 'his' day, what am I 'to do' in my day? Expect any Different?

Amen.

*
Romans – Philemon = God's GRACE/PEACE Love Letters Directly TO us Today, For:

Consolation, Comfort, Edification, Enjoyment, Encouragement, And spiritual Building Up
Of All The BLOOD-Washed "members ( saints!" ) In The Body Of CHRIST!, HIS Church,
Seated In Heaven! {Start here, but remember:

"All Scripture Is Profitable For learning!"} Amen?

 

[David in NJ]

marks, this is another assumption that is false and not in agreement on the OT Prophecies and the Gospel.

 

[marks]

As you know, i fully recognize the flesh nation Israel and all that pertains to her from the Holy Scriptures.

Well, I'm not so sure about that, really, as it seems you have some different ideas about the end of the age prophecies, what they are about, and who is included.

These prophecies about returning the captivity of Judah, for instance, and of the house of Israel, these are talking about a group of people who were removed from their homeland, and have been promised to be restored to it.

Do you believe that will happen, and if so, when, and how?

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Well, I'm not so sure about that, really, as it seems you have some different ideas about the end of the age prophecies, what they are about, and who is included.

These prophecies about returning the captivity of Judah, for instance, and of the house of Israel, these are talking about a group of people who were removed from their homeland, and have been promised to be restored to it.

Do you believe that will happen, and if so, when, and how?

Much love!

REPEAT = i fully recognize the flesh nation Israel and all that pertains to her from the Holy Scriptures.

 

[David in NJ]

Well, I'm not so sure about that, really, as it seems you have some different ideas about the end of the age prophecies, what they are about, and who is included.

These prophecies about returning the captivity of Judah, for instance, and of the house of Israel, these are talking about a group of people who were removed from their homeland, and have been promised to be restored to it.

Do you believe that will happen, and if so, when, and how?

Much love!

Now this is a Very Good Point you bring up and directly relates to Matthew ch24

 

[David in NJ]

Absolutely, that's who He was talking about.

Do this. Take a time machine to that day. Find any Jew and ask them . . . "who are the Chosen? And who are the Nations? What does that mean?" I have a prediction. I predict they will tell you, The Jews, and The Gentiles.

And that's who Jesus was talking about. The Jews will be regathered to their promised land, and the gentiles will be gathered for judgment. Just as prophesied.

Joel 3:1-2 KJV
1) For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2) I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Much love!

OK, can you answer(in Truth) the other questions.

Can you give your answer per question = a,b,c,d

 

[marks]

Directed at the lie of pre-trib = always = "no lie is of the truth"

No, you've directed any number of insinuations to me, and to other people. I'm hoping that in calling this to your attention you will be more aware in the future.

Much love!

 

[marks]

REPEAT = i fully recognize the flesh nation Israel and all that pertains to her from the Holy Scriptures.

Ezekiel 39:25-29 KJV
25) Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26) After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27) When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28) Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29) Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

This part, will it happen? When? How? Do you find any NT passages which prophesy the same thing?

Much love!

 

[marks]

marks, this is another assumption that is false and not in agreement on the OT Prophecies and the Gospel.

What is? You were not replying to a post, so I need clarification.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Ezekiel 39:25-29 KJV
25) Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26) After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27) When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28) Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29) Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

This part, will it happen? When? How? Do you find any NT passages which prophesy the same thing?

Much love!

YES, YES, YES and YES

 

[marks]

REPEAT = i fully recognize the flesh nation Israel and all that pertains to her from the Holy Scriptures.

This part:

Joel 3:2 KJV
I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Do you find this also prophesied in the NT? Will it be fulfilled as written?

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

What is? You were not replying to a post, so I need clarification.

Much love!

Sorry, it was Post #247
You said: the Church as we call it, specifically the body of Christ . . . was a mystery - musterion - until it was revealed through Paul, so we know that Jesus did not reveal it.

 

[marks]

YES, YES, YES and YES

I'd asked when, and how, and NT passages, any comment on that?

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

This part:

Joel 3:2 KJV
I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Do you find this also prophesied in the NT? Will it be fulfilled as written?

Much love!

YES

 

[marks]

Sorry, it was Post #247
You said: the Church as we call it, specifically the body of Christ . . . was a mystery - musterion - until it was revealed through Paul, so we know that Jesus did not reveal it.

Right, so then you haven't researched that word yet, is that what this means?

Much love!

 

[marks]

YES

Where do you find this prophesied in the NT?

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

I'd asked when, and how, and NT passages, any comment on that?

Much love!

We are on the subject of the POST-TRIB Declaration by the LORD in Matthew ch24

i have already confirmed, numerous times, that the flesh nation Israel will not be cast off forever and will be Restored.

Please answer the a,b,c,d questions from Post #239 - thank you marks

 

[David in NJ]

Right, so then you haven't researched that word yet, is that what this means?

Much love!

Humor is great

 

[marks]

Right, so then you haven't researched that word yet, is that what this means?

Much love!

@David in NJ , all debate aside, I'm saddened by your choice to just laugh this off.

Much love!

 

[marks]

We are on the subject of the POST-TRIB Declaration by the LORD in Matthew ch24

I'm showing you that Jesus' prophecy in Matthew 24:31 is to regather Israel to her land, exactly as these others are. We can see the parallel passages if we look, but if you won't look I cannot force you to.

Jesus was prophesying the same thing as the other prophets, and when you read the passages together, well, to me, it's plain as the day. Jesus was not making a "post trib rapture" declaration. It would have created huge conflicts if He had.

Much love!