The Two Witnesses Will Appear in the Next New Moon

[ewq1938]

"There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth".
Earburner.

"For every truth there are multiple lies." -ewq1938

 

[Earburner]

2Co_6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The opposite of this is the Apostasy, where the AC dwells in the temple of God ie. people. This is spiritual not literal.

Absolutely the truth. You have spoken that which the Holy Spirit teaches.
1Cor.2
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but [that] which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Now compare that to 2Thes.2
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away [apostasy of many] first, and [which is] the* man of sin [the natural man] be revealed, the son of perdition [many who are like Judas Iscariot, being himself one "son of perdition" of many].
*Note: in the TR Greek: "the" is used, and not the word "that".

"That spirit [mind] of antichrist" is singular, but the manifestation of it, IS IN MANY being in apostasy, which is plural.

 

[ewq1938]

Absolutely the truth. You have spoken that which the Holy Spirit teaches.
1Cor.2
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but [that] which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Now compare that to 2Thes.2
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away [apostasy of many] first, and [which is] the* man of sin [the natural man] be revealed, the [many] son of perdition [like Judas Iscariot- being himself one "son of perdition" of many].
*Note: in the TR Greek: "the" is used, and not "that".

"That spirit/mind of antichrist" is singular, but the manifestation of it, IS IN MANY being in apostasy, which is plural.

Paul is talking about a certain person, known also as the AC, who will come and cause the apostasia. He is called a beast in Rev 13 and is clearly a singular individual as he is in every passage he is spoken about. "antichrist shall come" cannot be erased.

 

[Reddsta]

Ok, so now that we all know who believes what about the antichrist and bible versions among the various other items. Did we figure out who the two witnesses are?

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Never mind the "KJOnlyism", or the "Nearly Inspired Version", what is your understanding about Dan. 9:24-27, according to "the mind of Christ" and not the Bible translators?
A brief outline will do.
Thanks.

That's not the subject of this thread. So I will decline to derail this to be about the 70 Weeks. It remains about acknowledging that no prophecy can be truly understood by solely relying on the bias of English translators in English language versions - especially the King James Only viewpoint.

 

[Earburner]

Paul is talking about a certain person, known also as the AC, who will come and cause the apostasia. He is called a beast in Rev 13 and is clearly a singular individual as he is in every passage he is spoken about. "antichrist shall come" cannot be erased.

No. You and church-ianity are talking about a certain one person.

The issuance of the "MoB" will be global, and shall cause the "falling away" from faith in Christ, of which shall be the literal "separation of the goats from the sheep". It will be "the hour of temptation that shall try the whole world".

Edit: and no, a beast is an empire and/or kingdoms of men, that are influenced and/or controlled by that spirit of antichrist. See Daniel and the angel's interpretations about beasts.

 

[Earburner]

That's not the subject of this thread. So I will decline to derail this to be about the 70 Weeks. It remains about acknowledging that no prophecy can be truly understood by solely relying on the bias of English translators in English language versions - especially the King James Only viewpoint.

And I pointed to Zech. 4:6 and 1 Cor. ch. 2, for Who it is that should be our teacher, and that "our faith should not stand in the wisdom of men".

 

[Earburner]

Ok, so now that we all know who believes what about the antichrist and bible versions among the various other items. Did we figure out who the two witnesses are?

John the Baptist and Jesus are the only two that were ever "anointed" by the Holy Spirit at birth. Zech. 4:14.
Edit:
John is the witness of who Jesus is, by God speaking through him, saying "Behold the Lamb OF God, who taketh away the sin if the world".

Jesus is the witness of who God is, by God dwelling in him upon his baptism, saying: "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." From that day forward, Jesus revealed that God the Father was in him doing the works and saying the words, and that they together are One.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

And I pointed to Zech. 4:6 and 1 Cor. ch. 2, for Who it is that should be our teacher, and that "our faith should not stand in the wisdom of men".

What does that even mean? You quote passages that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Again: That's not the subject of this thread. So I will decline to derail this to be about the 70 Weeks. It remains about acknowledging that no prophecy can be truly understood by solely relying on the bias of English translators in English language versions - especially the King James Only viewpoint.

 

[Earburner]

Paul is talking about a certain person, known also as the AC, who will come and cause the apostasia. He is called a beast in Rev 13 and is clearly a singular individual as he is in every passage he is spoken about. "antichrist shall come" cannot be erased.

By the way, in my post #303, I had touched the "strike out" button accidently. I have corrected that error. The words stand, as I originally did write them.
You must have copied it before I saw the "strike out" marking in it.
Sorry about that.

 

[Earburner]

What does that even mean? You quote passages that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Again: That's not the subject of this thread. So I will decline to derail this to be about the 70 Weeks. It remains about acknowledging that no prophecy can be truly understood by solely relying on the bias of English translators in English language versions - especially the King James Only viewpoint.

You were the one challenging me on the truth in God's word, concerning the Greek manuscripts, whether that be the Textus Receptus, the Wescott & Hort, or whatever.
I was just providing a topic for comparison.
If you were meaning something other than that, then I am sorry if I missed the point you attempted to deliver.

As for the topic of this thread, please see my post #308 of my reply.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

You were the one challenging me on the truth in God's word, concerning the Greek manuscripts, whether that be the Textus Receptus, the Wescott & Hort, or whatever.
I was just providing a topic for comparison.
If you were meaning something other than that, then I am sorry if I missed the point you attempted to deliver.

As for the topic of this thread, please see my post #308 of my reply.

So we will continue to get no answer about why the english translation that is the King James Version is the only text that is the singular source for correct answers to prophetic topics of the Bible?

 

[Timtofly]

So we will continue to get no answer about why the english translation that is the King James Version is the only text that is the singular source for correct answers to prophetic topics of the Bible?

Again: That's not the subject of this thread. So I will decline to derail this to be about the 70 Weeks. It remains about acknowledging that no prophecy can be truly understood by solely relying on the bias of English translators in English language versions - especially the King James Only viewpoint.

 

[Earburner]

So we will continue to get no answer about why the english translation that is the King James Version is the only text that is the singular source for correct answers to prophetic topics of the Bible?

As you know, There are many newer English versions of bibles, translated from numerous NT Greek (or similar) texts, of which have nuances that cause a vast array of definitions and meanings that we can choose from.

As for the Greek texts, down through time, all of that has been graphically scaled, showing how they have been copied as well as manipulated to the newest version of our day.
One English version comes to mind, that has corrupted the Christian thinking of "church-ianity", is the Scofield bible, which is loaded with denominational comments by Scofield.
And what shall I say next, about the others, such as the NIV, the Living Bible, the RSV, the JW-NWT Bible, the Jerusalem Bible, etc., etc.?

Since you asked, I say this of my testimony:
I once had an eight translation, parallel NT Bible, of which almost caused me to lose my mind, and to depart from Christ, and give up following him.

Here is one aspect of how I repented from that evil thought.
I literally tore up it's 4 inch thickness of pages into pieces, so that no one else could find it or read it, and be corrupted and frustrated to the level that happened to me.

So therefore, without any apology whatsoever, in 1990 I went back to the wonderful KJV, vowing to God that ONLY He would teach me by His Holy Spirit ONLY, using the KJV ONLY. And that He has done, without one regret.

Do I reference Bible helps? Of course, but only the Strongs Concordance and Young's
Analytical concordance. I visited "Bible Hub" a few times, but I haven't been back to that confusion. It's alot similar to that eight translation I had, but much more worse.
I have been delivered from "the wisdom of men", and now I learn, as he said: "by my Spirit". Zech. 4:6 and 1 Cor. 2:5.

Yes, I am strictly a KJV only, born again Christian. By God's Holy Spirit leading me, I am and have been extremely blessed by it, these past 33 years.

 

[ewq1938]

By the way, in my post #303, I had touched the "strike out" button accidently. I have corrected that error. The words stand, as I originally did write them.
You must have copied it before I saw the "strike out" marking in it.
Sorry about that.

I saw and knew it was an accident. There was nothing there pertinent to the discussion.

 

[ewq1938]

No. You and church-ianity are talking about a certain one person.

No, the bible speaks of a one person that was to come. You are the church-ianity who prefers to ignore what the bible teaches about the singular AC. Pure church-ianity on your part.

The issuance of the "MoB" will be global, and shall cause the "falling away" from faith in Christ, of which shall be the literal "separation of the goats from the sheep". It will be "the hour of temptation that shall try the whole world".

They fall away to a person who will claim to be God. That is the singular AC you deny.

 

[Earburner]

No, the bible speaks of a one person that was to come. You are the church-ianity who prefers to ignore what the bible teaches about the singular AC. Pure church-ianity on your part.

They fall away to a person who will claim to be God. That is the singular AC you deny.

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[Earburner]

No, the bible speaks of a one person that was to come. You are the church-ianity who prefers to ignore what the bible teaches about the singular AC. Pure church-ianity on your part.

They fall away to a person who will claim to be God. That is the singular AC you deny.

Well, if you need it to be so, according to your faith, then Klaus Schwab, of the WEF, which is of the UN (the image of the beast), is a likely candidate.
But, him being 84 years old this past March, Elon Musk might be the filler of his shoes.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

As for the Greek texts, down through time, all of that has been graphically scaled, showing how they have been copied as well as manipulated to the newest version of our day.

I'm not sure what you are referring to by this statement. The field of textual criticism is such a vast topic you can't simply dismiss it all away by a single statement. It is much too complex for that.
It's actually the Greek New Testament that the KJV is based on that was manipulated. It is a fact that Erasmus, who compiled the available manuscripts of the time, who actually had to fill in some of the missing portions of Revelation because his manuscript sources were missing in those particular places.

One English version comes to mind, that has corrupted the Christian thinking of "church-ianity", is the Scofield bible, which is loaded with denominational comments by Scofield.
And what shall I say next, about the others, such as the NIV, the Living Bible, the RSV, the JW-NWT Bible, the Jerusalem Bible, etc., etc.?
...
So therefore, without any apology whatsoever, in 1990 I went back to the wonderful KJV, vowing to God that ONLY He would teach me by His Holy Spirit ONLY, using the KJV ONLY. And that He has done, without one regret.

"Without apology" and it seems with a completely closed mind to any further investigation. What if your entire view of KJVonlyism is wrong? What if it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? But what if the opposite view is also wrong? What if the entire Western Christianity assumption of Greek primacy could be proven incorrect beyond a shadow of a doubt? And what if a truly accurate understanding of prophetic matters can not be properly interpreted and understood without a modified and corrected view of the manuscript history?

Western Christianity has been under one of the greatest unrealized deceptions for many centuries already.

 

[ewq1938]

Well, if you need it to be so, according to your faith

No, don't change what has already been proven. The bible says a singular antichrist "shall come". No preacher or church invented that. It is scripture. He will be recognized by performing miracles to prove to people he is a god.