So what will be the Mark of the Beast at the end time

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Technology has not only made it possible, but it has also made it probable. And the people will ease right into it. Except that the people must also worship the beast and his image. Some will refuse that. See the evil best worship occurs first before the mark is made into the people. If you refuse to worship the beast or the seemingly living beast image, you are killed v15.


11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.
12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives [f]those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.

15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one ma buy or sell except one who has [g]the mark or the "name of the beast, or the number of his name.
In Daniel, God reveals that beasts are
symbolic of kingdoms/empires
To give a symbolic beast (empire) "life" would be political life, not literal life. No one, including Satan has the ability to create life.
To "worship" the beast (empire) is to comply with the beast's dictatorial will.

The image of the beast is the legislator of force, "causing" governments, businesses and all individuals to comply with it.
The image of the beast is the UN.

The final phase of the 10H Beast (originally as the Roman Empire) is a Global Economic Empire. 10 kingdoms will be appointed for the beast's own defense, against both man and God. It has no military army or weapons of it's own.
 
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In Daniel, God reveals that beasts are
symbolic of kingdoms/empires
To give a symbolic beast (empire) "life" would be political life, not literal life. No one, including Satan has the ability to create life.
To "worship" the beast (empire) is to comply with the beast's dictatorial will.
Would you accept a chip implant in your right hand?

Revelation 14
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark in his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
 

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Would you accept a chip implant in your right hand?

Revelation 14
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark in his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
An implant in the right hand is a dead giveaway for Christians to warn the world, unless Christians are removed. But even the unsaved know 666, and a much smaller number heard of the mark of the beast from friends and movies, and billboards. Its much craftier than that. Keep a watchful eye.
 
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Would you accept a chip implant in your right hand?

Revelation 14
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark in his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
N0, but will you gaze into "The Orb" for an Iris scan?
"Look into the Orb and join the controlled."
(For about 48 secs. in the beginning, is just background. Right after that the video gets into it.)
John couldn't possibly relate to the scientific miracles and wonders of today, but he did know how the Roman Empire "marked" their slaves.
 
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Would you accept a chip implant in your right hand?

Revelation 14
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark in his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Well no, wont. Not a good idea even if it is not the Mark. Revelation 13 teaches us that worship of the beast precedes the marking of individuals. People are given a choice, worship the beast or be killed. Then the beast worshippers are marked with his name, signifying they belong to Satan and the beast. And nothing can undue that, they are then doomed to destruction.

You cannot be forcibly marked, that is clear from scripture.
Being marked is a willful choice reserved only for beast worshippers, they chose to worship the beast, they have none to blame but themselves, no one is going to be unknowingly marked secretly. First requirement you must worship the beast, then you will be marked.
Don't worship the beast, the beast kills you. So all die who refuse this worship of the beast, before any marking is involved. There will be no marked people who refuse to worship the beast. Their worship is a conscious chosen act they do. The way v15 is written, plenty of people refuse to worship the beast, they will all be killed. I do think some people will hide or be hidden and the beast wont find them. Such people will not be able to buy or sell in the economy as v16 says. The beast cant kill you if he cant find you.

First beast action is v15
15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Second beast action is v16, and is a follow on repercussion to their beast worship.
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [g]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
 
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An implant in the right hand is a dead giveaway for Christians to warn the world, unless Christians are removed. But even the unsaved know 666, and a much smaller number heard of the mark of the beast from friends and movies, and billboards. Its much craftier than that. Keep a watchful eye.
Yes, it's about gold, and a man who had incrementally received and accounted a specific number of pieces of it, that was gifted/given to him freely, over a period of one year.
1 Kings 10:14

Gold today, is now in the form of fiat money (cash), of which we earn through our labor, etc. The next stage (in process now), that the banking elite plan for cash, is to replace it with invisible and programmable Digital Money., with a Digital ID.
So then, what is UBI (Universal Basic Income-free allotments of money).
We all need to find out!!
 
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We find it hiding in plain sight..

"Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her;she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
---A Doctrinal Catechism by Stephen Keenan, Imprimatur by John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York

"Distinctive of the Roman Catholic Church, Sunday Mass observance became a mark of a practicing Catholic."
--- Dictionary of the Liturgy, Rev. Jovian P. Lang, OFM., Catholic Book Publishing Co., 1989,

"The attendance at [Sunday] Mass is the mark of a practical Catholic. One who fails to attend is not worthy of the name. While all mortal sins involve great malice, there is attached to this sin a peculiar and unique malice." ---The Faith of Millions, by the Reverend John A. O'Brien, PH.D., Copyright 1938,

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. It could not have been otherwise as none in those days would have dreamed of doing anything in matters spiritual and ecclesiastical and religious without her. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things". ---Letter to Cardinal Gibbons, November 11, 1895, from C.F. Thomas.

"The Church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance to Sunday is proof positive of that fact. Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God." ---The Catholic Record, London, Ontario Canada, September 1, 1923

"The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate (change) laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." --- Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop.

If we look we can see what the sign of God or the mark of beast are. The claims have already been made by their respective parties.
We find it hiding in plain sight..

"Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her;she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
---A Doctrinal Catechism by Stephen Keenan, Imprimatur by John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York

"Distinctive of the Roman Catholic Church, Sunday Mass observance became a mark of a practicing Catholic."
--- Dictionary of the Liturgy, Rev. Jovian P. Lang, OFM., Catholic Book Publishing Co., 1989,

"The attendance at [Sunday] Mass is the mark of a practical Catholic. One who fails to attend is not worthy of the name. While all mortal sins involve great malice, there is attached to this sin a peculiar and unique malice." ---The Faith of Millions, by the Reverend John A. O'Brien, PH.D., Copyright 1938,

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. It could not have been otherwise as none in those days would have dreamed of doing anything in matters spiritual and ecclesiastical and religious without her. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things". ---Letter to Cardinal Gibbons, November 11, 1895, from C.F. Thomas.

"The Church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance to Sunday is proof positive of that fact. Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God." ---The Catholic Record, London, Ontario Canada, September 1, 1923

"The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate (change) laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." --- Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop.

If we look we can see what the sign of God or the mark of beast are. The claims have already been made by their respective parties.
According to the bible, scriptures you posted, it is the Holy Spirit that seals/marks us to God (a seal is defined as a mark). That is the Spirit we received when we believed.......as opposed to receiving the spirit of the world. It seems reasonable to understand that the mark of the beast is also likewise a spirit, only not of God, the HOLY Spirit, but of the devil.

I have wondered if the mark of the beast is the strong delusion....it is a spirit that blinds and deceives and is of the spirit of the world. If we read 2 Thess. 2 carefully and realize that the strong delusion is connected to the things written about the son of perdition. And let us remember that God allows/sends it in judgment to those who received not a love of the truth via the Holy Spirit. That spirit seeks to unite the world to war against the people of God and the truth/gospel we have....but in the sovereignty of God it is He who gathers them for the battle. The world actually already really IS united via the spirit of the world much as the church IS united (one) via the Holy Spirit.

I don't think the mark of the beast is about sabbath days specifically, because the NT says regarding treating some days as holy or all alike to be a matter of individual conscience and not to let anyone rule over us in that matter. Although, just the fact that the Roman church made Sunday sabbath a rule/law seems to point to where the bible speaks about changing the laws and set times, and could be important, even if that in itself isn't the mark of the beast.
 

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According to the bible, scriptures you posted, it is the Holy Spirit that seals/marks us to God (a seal is defined as a mark). That is the Spirit we received when we believed.......as opposed to receiving the spirit of the world. It seems reasonable to understand that the mark of the beast is also likewise a spirit, only not of God, the HOLY Spirit, but of the devil.

I have wondered if the mark of the beast is the strong delusion....it is a spirit that blinds and deceives and is of the spirit of the world. If we read 2 Thess. 2 carefully and realize that the strong delusion is connected to the things written about the son of perdition. And let us remember that God allows/sends it in judgment to those who received not a love of the truth via the Holy Spirit. That spirit seeks to unite the world to war against the people of God and the truth/gospel we have....but in the sovereignty of God it is He who gathers them for the battle. The world actually already really IS united via the spirit of the world much as the church IS united (one) via the Holy Spirit.

I don't think the mark of the beast is about sabbath days specifically, because the NT says regarding treating some days as holy or all alike to be a matter of individual conscience and not to let anyone rule over us in that matter. Although, just the fact that the Roman church made Sunday sabbath a rule/law seems to point to where the bible speaks about changing the laws and set times, and could be important, even if that in itself isn't the mark of the beast.
It must also be some tangible mark though as people cannot buy or sell anything without being marked. Merchants of goods must be able to tell one from the other. And the mark cannot be casually transferable so it must be in your flesh.
 
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No dont shoot at the posts, as I am just the messenger, everyone must see and hear, and decide for themselves. The Bible has many places were it shows that people are marked to signify sin or show who they follow, so it has precedence:

Job10:14 -If I sin, then You mark me, And will not acquit me of my iniquity.

So here Job is saying we are marked by Yahweh if we sin.

We read in Ps 37:37 -Mark the blameless man, and observe the upright; For the future of that man is peace.

Here we see the blameless and upright man is also marked.

Next in Eze 9:4 -and the Lord said to him, 'Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.'

Again a mark on the forehead by Yahweh who morn over the evil being done.

The following are verses that refer to a seal of God.

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.


Note that the previous verses seem to indicate a spiritual seal, not a physical seal. The following verses seem to be more of a physical seal

Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.


The seal of a king gives his name, shows or declares his claim to authority, and thirdly, the region of his rule. Henry VIII, King of Britain, Wales and Scotland for example. How is the seal used or what is the purpose of a King's seal:

Dan 6:15 Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.
Dan 6:16 Then the king commanded, and they brought Daniel, and cast him into the den of lions. Now the king spake and said unto Daniel, Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee.
Dan 6:17 And a stone was brought, and laid upon the mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that the purpose might not be changed concerning Daniel.
So the seal of the King is a statement that his decree is not to be changed, not to be changed by anyone.

Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:


Note that the sign of circumcision is also a seal of righteousness. A sign and a seal are synonymous.

Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Neh 9:38 And because of all this we make a sure covenant, and write it; and our princes, Levites, and priests, seal unto it.
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Neh 10:29 They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;

2 Tim 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.


To depart from iniquity is to keep God's law. The disciples of God, those who call on the name of Christ, are sealed with His law.

Ezek 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them
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Ezek 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

So the law seals you and the sabbath is a sign of God, or His seal, representing His authority as Creator. So you can see where this is going, God shows his seal of his authority in his commandments especially with the declaration of his name, his claim to authority, and the region of his rule in the following.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


Notice that we can find the seal of God in verse 11.
The name given: the Lord
His title: Creator
His domain: heaven and earth to include all inhabitants

It is right out where a person can see if they want to..
The use of the word mark in those first two instances you posted just means to take note of. Not the same Greek word as mark in other instances such as mark of the beast, or seal.

Regarding sabbaths.........could it be that it's what the sabbath means symbolically that is the mark/seal of God. If the sabbath represents entering the rest of God via receiving and being marked with the Holy Spirit when we believe, that would explain why you are seeing a connection there. That it represents the gospel essentially also explains why the Lord makes much of it in OT scripture......because it prophetically foreshadows and points Israel directly to the coming gospel and messiah - entering His rest through faith.
 

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The use of the word mark in those first two instances you posted just means to take note of. Not the same Greek word as mark in other instances such as mark of the beast, or seal.

Regarding sabbaths.........could it be that it's what the sabbath means symbolically that is the mark/seal of God. If the sabbath represents entering the rest of God via receiving and being marked with the Holy Spirit when we believe, that would explain why you are seeing a connection there. That it represents the gospel essentially also explains why the Lord makes much of it in OT scripture......because it prophetically foreshadows and points Israel directly to the coming gospel and messiah - entering His rest through faith.
Jesus fulfilled the Law, therefore He is our sabbath rest. Jesus is who the Law was pointing to for peace and rest with God. You know the scripture Jesus has said, that describes it.
Why do you want to be LED backwards to literal law keeping???

If so, then why have faith in Jesus?
The 10C Law to us, is now fulfilled by Jesus, and IS IN Jesus. HE is the Righteousness of God, which is NOT the Righteousness of the Law. To have Jesus, is to have the Righteousness of God, and NOT the righteousness of the Law, of which produces "self righteousness".

God's Righteousness EXCEEDS the Righteousness of the Law. To think otherwise, is to say that God the Father is a Law keeper of the 10C Law, which would reveal that God's Righteousness is not even enough for Him. That's not going to happen
Where do you want to stop?

Apparently you believe that you need Jesus and something else,...the Law.
Now, to you in the reverse: "a double minded person is unstable in all his ways".
"Jesus is either your all, or He is nothing to you at all".
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N0, but will you gaze into "The Orb" for an Iris scan?
"Look into the Orb and join the controlled."
(For about 48 secs. in the beginning, is just background. Right after that the video gets into it.)
John couldn't possibly relate to the scientific miracles and wonders of today, but he did know how the Roman Empire "marked" their slaves.
No, but God knows all! And John wrote what God told him to write.
 

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No, but God knows all! And John wrote what God told him to write.
John saw symbolic visions, and heard symbolic language.

Since you want to just fly by and not land with some spiritual and scriptural food for thought, then you might like to know this:
"the abomination that maketh desolate" happened already, and Jesus was an eyewitness of it.
 

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Jesus fulfilled the Law, therefore He is our sabbath rest. Jesus is who the Law was pointing to for peace and rest with God. You know the scripture Jesus has said, that describes it.
Why do you want to be LED backwards to literal law keeping???

If so, then why have faith in Jesus?
The 10C Law to us, is now fulfilled by Jesus, and IS IN Jesus. HE is the Righteousness of God, which is NOT the Righteousness of the Law. To have Jesus, is to have the Righteousness of God, and NOT the righteousness of the Law, of which produces "self righteousness".

God's Righteousness EXCEEDS the Righteousness of the Law. To think otherwise, is to say that God the Father is a Law keeper of the 10C Law, which would reveal that God's Righteousness is not even enough for Him. That's not going to happen
Where do you want to stop?

Apparently you believe that you need Jesus and something else,...the Law.
Now, to you in the reverse: "a double minded person is unstable in all his ways".
"Jesus is either your all, or He is nothing to you at all".
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I agree. But are you addressing me literally, or just getting a preach on and addressing anyone in general to whom it applies? ;) I wasn't advocating law-keeping.
 

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John saw symbolic visions, and heard symbolic language.
That's a JW argument. 'God didn't mean what He said'!
Since you want to just fly by and not land with some spiritual and scriptural food for thought, then you might like to know this:
"the abomination that maketh desolate" happened already, and Jesus was an eyewitness of it.
No it didn't. lol
 

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I agree. But are you addressing me literally, or just getting a preach on and addressing anyone in general to whom it applies? ;) I wasn't advocating law-keeping.
Oops! Sorry about that. My post #70 was meant for Hobie.
 

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That's a JW argument. 'God didn't mean what He said'!

No it didn't. lol
1. It's not a JW argument, it's biblical for all of us to understand.

Isa. 55:8-9
God thinks HIS Eternal thoughts and ways in the heavenly language of His own meaning.
As the scripture reveals, our thoughts and ways are much lower in comparison to His.

The next time you speak or write to a dog, or any animal, be sure to give them a dictionary.

Now, when you get a chance, read all of 1 Cor. 2, and you will understand that without "the mind [Spirit] of Christ within in us", we don't have any hope of understanding God, who is using the languages of our own words to convey His meaning.


2. Jesus speaks of "the abomination that maketh desolate":
John 2
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy [desolate] this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.
[22] When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

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Anyone who is looking for "the abomination that maketh desolate", to be manifested in the future, has been snookered by "the wisdom of men", by placing "their faith" in the teachings of church-ianity. 1 Cor. 2.
 
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1. It's not a JW argument, it's biblical for all of us to understand.

Isa. 55:8-9
God thinks HIS Eternal thoughts and ways in the heavenly language of His own meaning.
As the scripture reveals, our thoughts and ways are much lower in comparison to His.

The next time you speak or write to a dog, or any animal, be sure to give them a dictionary.

Now, when you get a chance, read all of 1 Cor. 2, and you will understand that without "the mind [Spirit] of Christ within in us", we don't have any hope of understanding God, who is using the languages of our own words to convey His meaning.


2. Jesus speaks of "the abomination that maketh desolate":
John 2
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy [desolate] this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.
[22] When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Edit:
Anyone who is looking for "the abomination that maketh desolate", to be manifested in the future, has been snookered by "the wisdom of men", by placing "their faith" in the teachings of church-ianity. 1 Cor. 2.
'Symbolic', a favorite word for those who don't like what God said!
 

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If you had stayed with 'literal' you wouldn't be attacking our Bible now.
But, because the Pharisees did take the scriptures literally, they "missed the day of their visitation", and therefore are not in the KoG .
The same thing is going to happen to church-ianity, with their teachings through "the wisdom of men". 1 Cor. 2:5.