Eternally Grateful
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Actually the Bible does.
If you want to hinder God feel free
God gives free will. But he knows what man will chose freely. You will not surprise God by doing somethign he does nto already know you will do.
Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation?
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If you want to hinder God feel free
God gives free will. But he knows what man will chose freely. You will not surprise God by doing somethign he does nto already know you will do.
According to Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
How shall many be made righteous ?
According to Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
How shall many be made righteous ?
@brightfame52
Free will choice, to accept Christ Jesus. He is the truth, the way, and the life. His death, burial, and resurrection makes people becoming right with God and have peace with God, and the Spirit of Christ is what comes through when they make righteous choices to walk in faith, and walk by the spirit. This comes at a cost of denying oneself, and learning and growing and seeking out whom God is and knowing who the Lord Jesus Christ is by use of the word, but they are ministers of the spirit and not of the letter.
Free will choice, to accept Christ Jesus. He is the truth, the way, and the life. His death, burial, and resurrection makes people becoming right with God and have peace with God, and the Spirit of Christ is what comes through when they make righteous choices to walk in faith, and walk by the spirit. This comes at a cost of denying oneself, and learning and growing and seeking out whom God is and knowing who the Lord Jesus Christ is by use of the word, but they are ministers of the spirit and not of the letter.
Contrary to Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
How shall the many be made righteous according to the text ?
Keiw
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They just tried to make things clearer, easier to understand. They would never change meanings that God wrote. Throughout history, in certain languages it didnt have words from the previous language, so the translators used a word as close as possible to fit that language without changing the meaning. In the newest NWT, they changed loving kindness to loyal love.
Keiw
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It would be deceiving of God to say this, if your thoughts were correct. 2Pet 3:9--God desires all to repent-- so he does not know who will or wont in some cases. He can read hearts. But like in the case of King Mannaseh in OT. He was more wicked than the wicked, Gods king of Israel. But eventually he repented and God forgave him and restored him to being king. So any have the opportunity to repent and turn around.
Keiw
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Then why aren't these covered by that-Matt 7:22-23--these do powerful works in Jesus, name, Prophesy in his name, expel demons. So it wasn't Jesus obedience that helped them. Its like i showed in my prior post.
Eternally Grateful
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You do not know God
He does desire them, that is why he is patient. Because he has to wait for all HE KNOWS will repent to repent..
Remember, He knew in 400 years the amorites would be so hardened they would never believe. so he left Israel in Egypt
“By the obedience of one shall many be made righteous” Romans 5: 19b. It isn’t by our own obedience, nor by our obedience combined with His but belongs solely to Him and so we are made righteous in the sight of God and are justified from all our sins.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Keiw
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He knows the pattern of mens hearts, He knows what his will, will accomplish in the future, If he desires all to repent means that any can and he does not know who will or wont. Gods truth Seeds planted can change hearts.
Keiw
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If your thoughts believe Jesus automatically covers you, then you will probably be hearing those words as judgement. Jesus said--FEW will find the road( be saved)--Why do you think that is?
According to Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
How were many made sinners ? How shall many be made righteous ?
Eternally Grateful
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No
He knows THEM.
He knows who will. thats how he predestined them to be conformed to his image
We were made sinners by one man’s disobedience, Adam sinned, hence we inherited that sin.
The only ones who shall be made righteous, are the ones who God decides to birth in the Spirit.....you must be Born Again...to see the Kingdom of God..,it’s a supernatural act, becoming Born Again and it can only be done through the Holy Spirit.
Eternally Grateful
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Amen
But as many as have recieved (taken ahold of, to grasp, to grab, to lay hands on) him, to THEM he gave the right (Power, Authority, The right) to become children of God, to those who believe on his name.
God came to rescue us, we have to grab on and hold on to him so he can pull us out of the gates of Hell and make his his children.
The only way someone will do that is if they trust God.
otherwise they will decieve themselves and think they do not need saved. or try to save themselves. Both of which will be futile and lead to failure
ritaJ
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So how were or shall many be made righteous according to Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
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So how were or shall many be made righteous according to Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
@brightfame52
Shall many be made Righteous !
Shall be made Righteous ! Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.
What is Paul teaching here ? Well in addition to him teaching that by Christ's obedience for the many shall account them Righteous, it also means that they shall be constituted Righteous, which speaks of a production.
The word made is the greek word kathistemi and means:
to constitute, to render, make, cause to be
To constitute means:
to make up or form something
: to be the same as something : to be equivalent to something
: to establish or create
This is speaking of New Birth or a New Creation, a New Production, a causing to be, or show to be Righteous !
It means the constituting Essence of a New Divine Nature 2 Pet 1:4
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Hence a New Man becomes Our inward Life 1 Pet 3:4
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
Its the Life of God and Christ formed in us Gal 4:19.
Its the inward reconstruction foretold here Ezk 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit[i.as seat or organ of mental acts] will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Jer 31:33
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 32:40
40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
You see, since by His Obedience we are reckoned Righteous before God, its followed up and showed to be by constituting us Righteous by New Birth. This is a must; For the same applies to 2 Cor 5:21
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
The word made here is the greek word ginomai:
I.to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
This speaks to the New Birth, a New Creature, a New Man is brought into being, that inner man or hidden man of the heart.
Through Christ's death or obedience we shall beging a life of Christ likeness by New Birth, that's a certainty, because scripture says, they SHALL BE MADE RIGHTEOUS !
Shall means it must happen, as when Jesus told the Elect Pharisee Jn 3:7
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
That word must dei:
I.it is necessary, there is need of, it behooves, is right and proper
A.
necessity lying in the nature of the case
Its right and proper because His Death has already legally declared them Righteous, now they must be constituted so, and showed to be so ! 18
Shall many be made Righteous !
Shall be made Righteous ! Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.
What is Paul teaching here ? Well in addition to him teaching that by Christ's obedience for the many shall account them Righteous, it also means that they shall be constituted Righteous, which speaks of a production.
The word made is the greek word kathistemi and means:
to constitute, to render, make, cause to be
To constitute means:
to make up or form something
: to be the same as something : to be equivalent to something
: to establish or create
This is speaking of New Birth or a New Creation, a New Production, a causing to be, or show to be Righteous !
It means the constituting Essence of a New Divine Nature 2 Pet 1:4
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Hence a New Man becomes Our inward Life 1 Pet 3:4
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
Its the Life of God and Christ formed in us Gal 4:19.
Its the inward reconstruction foretold here Ezk 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit[i.as seat or organ of mental acts] will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Jer 31:33
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 32:40
40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
You see, since by His Obedience we are reckoned Righteous before God, its followed up and showed to be by constituting us Righteous by New Birth. This is a must; For the same applies to 2 Cor 5:21
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
The word made here is the greek word ginomai:
I.to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
This speaks to the New Birth, a New Creature, a New Man is brought into being, that inner man or hidden man of the heart.
Through Christ's death or obedience we shall beging a life of Christ likeness by New Birth, that's a certainty, because scripture says, they SHALL BE MADE RIGHTEOUS !
Shall means it must happen, as when Jesus told the Elect Pharisee Jn 3:7
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
That word must dei:
I.it is necessary, there is need of, it behooves, is right and proper
A.
necessity lying in the nature of the case
Its right and proper because His Death has already legally declared them Righteous, now they must be constituted so, and showed to be so ! 18
Eternally Grateful
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where do we start?
John 1: 12. But as many as have received him to them he gave the power
John 3, As Moses lifted the serpent. so must the son of man be lifted up that whoever believes..
John 4, If you would have asked, I would have given you living water flowing to eternal life
John 5, 24 he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life
John 6, He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” he who believes in Me has everlasting life, If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” 68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Thats how we are recieve the righteousness.
the same way abraham did, He believed God and God accounted to him as righteousness.. One must be born again.
I’ve already told you how many will be made righteous, those who God births in the Spirit...that’s who..
One must be Born Again ...only God can do that act, which happens to be a living “ spiritual “ birth...
do you actually understand what that means?
Spirit gives birth to spirit?...meaning?
Romans 3:21-26
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
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