Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation?

[brightfame52]

@brightfame52

Shall many be made Righteous !

Shall be made Righteous ! Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.

What is Paul teaching here ? Well in addition to him teaching that by Christ's obedience for the many shall account them Righteous, it also means that they shall be constituted Righteous, which speaks of a production.

The word made is the greek word kathistemi and means:

to constitute, to render, make, cause to be

To constitute means:

to make up or form something

: to be the same as something : to be equivalent to something

: to establish or create

This is speaking of New Birth or a New Creation, a New Production, a causing to be, or show to be Righteous !

It means the constituting Essence of a New Divine Nature 2 Pet 1:4

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Hence a New Man becomes Our inward Life 1 Pet 3:4

4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Its the Life of God and Christ formed in us Gal 4:19.

Its the inward reconstruction foretold here Ezk 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit[i.as seat or organ of mental acts] will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jer 31:33

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 32:40

40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

You see, since by His Obedience we are reckoned Righteous before God, its followed up and showed to be by constituting us Righteous by New Birth. This is a must; For the same applies to 2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The word made here is the greek word ginomai:

I.to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being

This speaks to the New Birth, a New Creature, a New Man is brought into being, that inner man or hidden man of the heart.

Through Christ's death or obedience we shall beging a life of Christ likeness by New Birth, that's a certainty, because scripture says, they SHALL BE MADE RIGHTEOUS !

Shall means it must happen, as when Jesus told the Elect Pharisee Jn 3:7

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

That word must dei:

I.it is necessary, there is need of, it behooves, is right and proper
A.
necessity lying in the nature of the case

Its right and proper because His Death has already legally declared them Righteous, now they must be constituted so, and showed to be so ! 18

I agree, so according to Rom 5:19 how shall many be constituted righteous as well ?

 

[brightfame52]

where do we start?

John 1: 12. But as many as have received him to them he gave the power

John 3, As Moses lifted the serpent. so must the son of man be lifted up that whoever believes..

John 4, If you would have asked, I would have given you living water flowing to eternal life

John 5, 24 he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life

John 6, He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” he who believes in Me has everlasting life, If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” 68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Thats how we are recieve the righteousness.

the same way abraham did, He believed God and God accounted to him as righteousness.. One must be born again.

Why not start by answering the question according to what the verse says. According to Rom 5:19 how shall many be made righteous ?

 

[brightfame52]

I’ve already told you how many will be made righteous, those who God births in the Spirit...that’s who..

One must be Born Again ...only God can do that act, which happens to be a living “ spiritual “ birth...
do you actually understand what that means?

Spirit gives birth to spirit?...meaning?

Romans 3:21-26​

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

According to Rom 5:19 how shall many be made righteous ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why not start by answering the question according to what the verse says. According to Rom 5:19 how shall many be made righteous ?

Those who do what Jesus said in John. That is why I posted all those passages

 

[Ritajanice]

According to Rom 5:19 how shall many be made righteous ?

There you go, you can’t answer my question, that’s why I asked it..no more than I have a clue what you are talking about..

 

[Ritajanice]

Those who do what Jesus said in John. That is why I posted all those passages

Exactly...yet for some reason, he ain’t getting the message,,oh well..never mind.

 

[Ritajanice]

Why not start by answering the question according to what the verse says. According to Rom 5:19 how shall many be made righteous ?

It’s you who needs to answer the question..he’s already answered it...what aren’t you understanding?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Exactly...yet for some reason, he ain’t getting the message,,oh well..never mind.

Like so many others. They are stuck on one verse and can't get away from it.

They see what they see and are dumbfounded as to why no one else can see. as if they are spoken to directly By God and the rest of us are lost

 

[brightfame52]

Those who do what Jesus said in John. That is why I posted all those passages

You still didnt do what I asked.

 

[brightfame52]

There you go, you can’t answer my question, that’s why I asked it..no more than I have a clue what you are talking about..

You still being evasive

 

[L.A.M.B.]

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but THAT ALL should come to repentance.

God has made the provision that all CAN come to repentance, by grace, thru faith; he provided THE WAY thru Jesus. It is however, every man's CHOICE to come to him thru the Holy Spirit conviction and drawing !
He offers, we, DECIDE TO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW HIM!

God does not and will not decide for us to be saved. By his great LOVE as explained in Jn.3:16; he provided the way to salvation. Romans 10:9/10, we believe in our hearts and confess with our mouth unto salvation.

 

[Ritajanice]

You still didnt do what I asked.

What are you talking about?

Stop accusing believers of something that YOU “ ASSUME “ is true!

Instead of talking in riddles..what is your point L

 

[Ritajanice]

You still didnt do what I asked.

Do what you asked?

 

[Ritajanice]

You still being evasive

What is this?

What are you accusing me of?

Who do you think you are?

This is a forum for believers to discuss the word of God...we aren’t in a court of law?

All you do imo, is speak in riddles....

 

[Ritajanice]

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but THAT ALL should come to repentance.

God has made the provision that all CAN come to repentance, by grace, thru faith; he provided THE WAY thru Jesus. It is however, every man's CHOICE to come to him thru the Holy Spirit conviction and drawing !
He offers, we, DECIDE TO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW HIM!

God does not and will not decide for us to be saved. By his great LOVE as explained in Jn.3:16; he provided the way to salvation. Romans 10:9/10, we believe in our hearts and confess with our mouth unto salvation.

If God doesn’t will us to be saved....can you explain how YOU birth yourself in the Spirit ?

Good luck with explaining that one.

John 3

King James Version

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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[Robert Pate]

Many people know about God, but less actually are converted and follow God. As Christ did at Gethsemane we must set aside all and follow Gods will. Jesus came across someone who asked this same question:

Matthew 19:16-17
"16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.'

This young ruler obviously lived “a good life.” He’d convinced himself that he had “made it” in both before others and in his spiritual life. Yet, for all that, he sensed something was missing.

Was Jesus telling the rich young ruler to do something meritorious when He told him to keep the commandments? Obviously not, for salvation is "not of works, lest any man should boast." But was Jesus telling this man plainly what the condition of salvation was? If we will enter into eternal life, what is necessary?

What was Christ saying to the rich young ruler. Was obedience a condition or a requirement that we must meet before God can save us? If we look, Christ wanted more than obedience, Christ was showing that true obedience includes our outward deeds, but it is not just our outward deeds. True obedience is both the outward deed and the inner motive that prompts the deed.

We see Christ get to this with the rich young ruler:
Matthew 19:20-22
"20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions."

In order to be saved a person must be converted, and conversion is what makes true obedience possible. Unconverted people cannot truly obey God, they can "talk" about God, but not fully "walk" with Him. The condition or the basis for our salvation is faith. The result of our salvation is obedience. Those who aren't really converted and will be lost at the end, can’t obey. The truly converted or saved at the end, will show the fruits of the Spirit..

Ephesians 5:8-10 King James Version (KJV)
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

The rich young ruler was a lying hypocrite. No one is able to keep the commandments. Jesus was trying to show him that he was a lost sinner.

 

[brightfame52]

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but THAT ALL should come to repentance.

God has made the provision that all CAN come to repentance, by grace, thru faith; he provided THE WAY thru Jesus. It is however, every man's CHOICE to come to him thru the Holy Spirit conviction and drawing !
He offers, we, DECIDE TO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW HIM!

God does not and will not decide for us to be saved. By his great LOVE as explained in Jn.3:16; he provided the way to salvation. Romans 10:9/10, we believe in our hearts and confess with our mouth unto salvation.

According to Rom 5:19 how shall many be made righteous ?

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You still didnt do what I asked.

Yes i did. as have so many

Just because we did not answer the way you think we should does not mean we did nto answer

the fact you can not refute our answer just shows you are fishing

 

[Ritajanice]

Like so many others. They are stuck on one verse and can't get away from it.

They see what they see and are dumbfounded as to why no one else can see. as if they are spoken to directly By God and the rest of us are lost

The funny thing is...I’ve asked him countless times to explain what it means...which he never does.

Then tells me I’m being “ evasive” seriously...lol..hahaha.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes i did. as have so many

Just because we did not answer the way you think we should does not mean we did nto answer

the fact you can not refute our answer just shows you are fishing

According to Rom 5:19 how shall many be made righteous ?

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.