Exactly..spot on!...I’m done with him..I swear he’s playing silly games..that’s when I start to lose patience...I just can’t be doing with it.
Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation?
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Eternally Grateful
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He is like the guy who is pushing the ezra 6 challenge. or the baptismal guy pushing acts 2.. they are stuck on a verse and unless you answer them according to the way they demand, you are being evasive, Because your not listening to them..
Scriptures are to harmonize and be in context to rightly divide; here is the whole of why we can be made righteous by his obedience to death.
Romans 5:7-19
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
God's word is self explanatory when Scripture is in harmony. It's not a secret formula nor rocket science!
Romans 5:7-19
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
God's word is self explanatory when Scripture is in harmony. It's not a secret formula nor rocket science!
Eternally Grateful
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And as we have shown you.. It is not automatic.. God does not just say abricadabra and these people are saved.
He demands something from them
You can post rom 5 a million times, until you respond to the being born again and the john issue you are just pushing words..
According to Rom 5:19 how shall many be made righteous ?
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
I do not have to explain anything to those in the Spirit with his understanding.
I do not straddle the fence thru many men's Doctrines !
Eternally Grateful
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Once again, You are stuck on a verse.
This verse says we were made righteous by the obedience of one man.
But it does not say or show us how we recieve that righteousness.
so once again, let me show you the truth
where do we start?
John 1: 12. But as many as have received him to them he gave the power
John 3, As Moses lifted the serpent. so must the son of man be lifted up that whoever believes..
John 4, If you would have asked, I would have given you living water flowing to eternal life
John 5, 24 he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life
John 6, He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” he who believes in Me has everlasting life, If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” 68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Thats how we are recieve the righteousness.
the same way abraham did, He believed God and God accounted to him as righteousness.. One must be born again.
eternally grateful
Okay, to be made righteous is to be Justified, saved.
Okay, to be made righteous is to be Justified, saved.
You said God doesn’t will us to be saved...I disagree..
And I’ve produced scripture to show this...now, maybe that’s why you gave me an angry emoji.
As I’ve explained..only God can save us from eternal damnation and birth us in the Spirit..
You must be “ Born Again “. Period...no more no less..just “ Born Again “.
John 3:3-8
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3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Titus 3:5 - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (Read More...)
Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 15:1-27 - I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. (Read More...)
Acts 16:30-33 - And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? (Read More...)
Psalms 3:8 - Salvation belongeth unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah
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I produced the word of God...not my doctrine...the “ Living”word of God.
So, I refute your post saying the scripture I posted is man’s doctrine....rubbish....as the word of God says below..
Jesus said that we need a second birth — a spiritual birth — if we were going to become a part of God's family. Jesus said, “No one can enter the Kingdom of God (God's family) unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but spirit gives birth to Spirit.
John 6:44
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44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.John 3:3-8
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3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Titus 3:5 - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (Read More...)
Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 15:1-27 - I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. (Read More...)
Acts 16:30-33 - And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? (Read More...)
Psalms 3:8 - Salvation belongeth unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah
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Eternally Grateful
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Yes
But how did a person receive this righteousness? how was he born again, Justified, Saved?
Eternally Grateful
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Eph 2: 8
For it is by grace (the gift, by one offering) we have been saved (Justified) through faith.
Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
Romans 5:1
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Galatians 2:16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Galatians 3:24
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
You can't remove faith from the equation.
While faith does not save us, it is through faith that grace (the one sacrifice) is applied to us
amigo de christo
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Obediance is SOLID PROOF of whose we are .............
Of who we love
OF who we belong too .
Whether of sin unto death
or obediance unto righteousness .
GOD IS RIGHTEOUS , HIS WORD IS RIGHTEOUS , HIS SPIRIT RIGHTEOUS .
IF any claims to be walking in the Spirit and cliams to KNOW GOD and HIS CHRIST
yet loveth darkness , embraces sins . HOUSTON WE GOT A PROBLEM known as DECIEVING and DECIEVING THEMSELVES .
amigo de christo
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Obviously anyone BORN of the TRUTH and of the SPIRIT , WOULD REJOICE IN THE TRUTH .
WOULD have BELIEVED IN JESUS CHRIST . and not some other jesus or some other religoin .
cause neither of those is TRUTH . AND IF ONE HAS TRULY BEEN BORN AGAIN OF GOD
they now worship GOD IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH . As GOD IS TRUTH , HIS SPIRIT IS TRUTH , HIS WORD IS TRUTH .
Deniers of CHRIST know not the TRUTH . AND THAT BE A FACT .
amigo de christo
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The jews tried that already and it didnt bode well for them as they were cut out of the tree due to unbelief .
So what shall we say then that the jews attained not to the righteousness of the law .
WELL they attained not to it , FOR THEY SOUGHT IT as it were by works and not BY FAITH .
Abraham DID what HE DID BY FAITH . HE BELIEVED . Without FAITH it is impossible to please GOD .
SO , yeah , on that note , the next time i see one person trying to say if muslims , buddists or whateverists
are fine just cause they lovey and do some good . CORRECT IT . ITS A LIE FROM THE DRAGON . ITS a love
from the dragon and it aint love .
IF THE JEWS could not attain to the righteousness of GOD without FAITH
HOW ON EARTH can false religoins DO IT . THEY CANT . FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST IS DIRE and I MEAN DIRE IMPORTANT
cause if one DENIES JESUS CHRIST , THEY DENIED GOD HIMSELF .
amigo de christo
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Thus if one denies JESUS as the CHRIST , they DENY GOD . How then can they be made righteous . THEY CANT .
Obedience is learnt..and it’s learnt through the “ Living” word of God...as we are his children.
Hebrews 5:8-10 KJV
though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
amigo de christo
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JESUS IS THE LIVING WORD . And the LIVING WORD dont contradict HIS Own words .
Yet many today think they follow THE LIVING WORD , the SPIRIT OF GOD , the CHRIST OF GOD .
YET DENY HIS TEACHINGS . THE LIVING WORD would never have led one to do such a thing .
SO , I SHUN the all inclusive gospel to HELL , IF I COULD . Better not one person BELIEVE ITS LIE .
cause what i say to one i say to all . Muslims follow satan , buddists follow satan
even unbelieving jews follow satan , even WE ALL once did . YE MUST BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS .
And it had better be the one in the bible too . Be encuouraged rita .
I have no choice than to follow Jesus..I have been birthed in the Spirit and there is NO mistaking the rebirth...that is the Living word of God....
Now as you say, if anyone denies the Living word of God...they best watch out...,now, you say Muslims follow Satan ,unbelieving Jews also follow Satan...
Now all I can say to that is,.,they haven’t been Born Again..so are in ignorance alienated from God and still in darkness...just like we were once upon a time....they obviously haven’t received the Living word of God thats delivered straight to the heart have they?
amigo de christo
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THus they still follow satan . They are not saved and are in danger of eternal damnation . Lest they come
to Faith in CHRIST . And if they do , THEY ABANDON their old false religoin too .
I have seen true conversions occur to muslims . Believe me they go around talking of CHRIST and saying
their old religoin was A LIE .
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