Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

[PinSeeker]

Noah entered the ark 7 days before the flood.

Actually, God gave Noah six days to gather all the animals and load the ark. The seventh day God brought the rain, so, having completed his work, Noah was able to rest from his labors that day, which is a picture of the Sabbath. We shall all enter the eternal Sabbath, the final Promised Rest, one day.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[The Light]

Noah entered the ark with his family, the rest were taken away in the flood.

Matthew 24:37-39 KJV
37) But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38) For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39) And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Much love!

The flood didn't come the day Noah entered the ark, it came 7 days later.

Destruction does not come the day the Church enters the ark

 

[The Light]

Actually, God gave Noah six days to gather all the animals and load the ark. The seventh day God brought the rain, so, having completed his work, Noah was able to rest from his labors that day, which is a picture of the Sabbath. We shall all enter the eternal Sabbath, the final Promised Rest, one day.

Grace and peace to you.

Actually, Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark on the selfsame day. That day was 7 days before the flood.

 

[marks]

Well it can and is pertaining to both the Jews in the Church and those who repent after the Rapture. Jesus lays everything out and says this will come to pass, then shows them how to escape this "SNARE" but we both know Jews will escape this in two different ways don't we? Some Jews will be raptured just as we will be, whilst living, and some will be saved just before the DOTL as Zech. 13:8-9 shows which happens just before the DOTL arrives in Zech. 14:1. The they will escape by fleeing Judea, into the Petra/Boazrah area. So, both are no doubt seen as WORTHY to Escape because of repentance.

In Matthew the ENDURING unto the end is speaking about enduring until the end of ones life. As a matter of fact Matt. 24:4-13 is all a survival guide for the Disciples themselves, in vs. 6 we see Jesus says the end is not yet or is by and by (meaning the 70th week) and in order to get this point across Jesus painted them a picture via verses 7-8, showing them all the stuff that had to happen before the 70th week would come, he did this so they would not rush back to Jerusalem in 67-70 AD and be killed, along with their infant Churches. So, verses 7-8 are really just throw away lines tbh, notice he goes right back into telling the "DISCIPLES" that they were all going to die at the hands of false prophets (the Jupiter/Zeus types and the Oracles etc.) and not Christian false prophets, people confuse this also, thinking its END TIMES, its not. Lastly Jesus tells them they must endure until the end [of their lives] meaning do nit yield to the threats of death. Then in vs. 14 Jesus lets them all know 100 percent that they will never see the 70th week end, because he says THE END will only come when the Gospel has been preached unto the whole world, meaning India, China and the Scythians (Russia and the Stepp Mountains). Thus they knew 100 percent that the 67-70 AD events could not be Jesus, verses 4-14 are a survival guide for the Disciples, who needed to survive in order to get the Church off the ground.

Have you ever looked at Jesus' instructions to His disciple in Matthew 10 when He sends them in pairs? It seems to me that His instruction pertain not only to the disciples at that time, but also in apostolic times, and at the end of the age. Interested?

Much love!

 

[marks]

The flood didn't come the day Noah entered the ark, it came 7 days later.

Destruction does not come the day the Church enters the ark

Jesus is speaking concerning those who are taken away, that is, the unredeemed. I expect they were still laughing it up while Noah waited in the ark.

Regardless, as I follow the pronouns, this is what I arrive at.

Much love!

 

[Freedm]

Rapture = believers dead and alive caught up into the clouds changed in a instance from mortal to immortal and taken to heaven with Jesus. Why fight this wonderful truth??

"Why fight this wonderful truth". I have to admit, that statement made me smile. It's like saying "Candy is good for your body" and then asking why fight this wonderful truth? Sure, it's wonderful if it's true, but shouldn't we first determine that it is? That's what debate is for.

 

[marks]

That's what debate is for.

Rather, that's what spiritual instruction from the Holy Spirit is for. I don't expect to ever change anyone's mind about something. I find that to be incredibly rare.

Much love!

 

[Freedm]

Rather, that's what spiritual instruction from the Holy Spirit is for. I don't expect to ever change anyone's mind about something. I find that to be incredibly rare.

Much love!

It is incredibly rare, but I'm happy to say that I have learned an amazing amount through debate on forums such as this one. I hope everyone takes advantage of this opportunity we have to discuss with people from all over the world. We are all here, after all, not to teach, but to learn.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

It is incredibly rare, but I'm happy to say that I have learned an amazing amount through debate on forums such as this one. I hope everyone takes advantage of this opportunity we have to discuss with people from all over the world. We are all here, after all, not to teach, but to learn.

Welcome to CB forums.

 

[marks]

It is incredibly rare, but I'm happy to say that I have learned an amazing amount through debate on forums such as this one. I hope everyone takes advantage of this opportunity we have to discuss with people from all over the world. We are all here, after all, not to teach, but to learn.

Amen!!

I've learned a lot also! And I've grown up a lot!

Much love!

 

[The Light]

Jesus is speaking concerning those who are taken away, that is, the unredeemed. I expect they were still laughing it up while Noah waited in the ark.

Regardless, as I follow the pronouns, this is what I arrive at.

Much love!

The Church is in the ark. When the flood waters came who do you think was yelling don't leave us here?

 

[PinSeeker]

Actually, Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark on the selfsame day. That day was 7 days before the flood.

Here's the text in Genesis 7:

"Then the LORD said to Noah, 'Go into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation. Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate, and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and his mate, and seven pairs of the birds of the heavens also, male and female, to keep their offspring alive on the face of all the earth. For in seven days I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and every living thing that I have made I will blot out from the face of the ground.' And Noah did all that the LORD had commanded him."​

There is absolutely nothing in the text to indicate that Noah did all that God commanded him that very day, and then waited for six more for the rain to start. The only thing we see is that God told Noah that He would send rain in seven days. And the only reasonable presumption upon the text (which is no presumption at all) is that Noah completed God's instructions in the time frame he was allotted, six days, as the rain was coming on the seventh.

The Church is in the ark.

And the ark is Jesus. He carries us through the storm, rather than removing us from it. I love Psalm 23, along with a multitude of others:

The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.​

He makes me lie down in green pastures.​

He leads me beside still waters.
He restores my soul.​

He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.​

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Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,​

I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.​

You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows.​

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Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD forever.​

There is no "rapture."

Grace and peace to you.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

@PinSeeker =And the ark is Jesus. He carries us through the storm, rather than removing us from it. I love Psalm 23, along with a multitude of others:
AMEN !

 

[Marty fox]

Actually, God gave Noah six days to gather all the animals and load the ark. The seventh day God brought the rain, so, having completed his work, Noah was able to rest from his labors that day, which is a picture of the Sabbath. We shall all enter the eternal Sabbath, the final Promised Rest, one day.

Grace and peace to you.

Actually God brought the animals to Noah

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Have you ever looked at Jesus' instructions to His disciple in Matthew 10 when He sends them in pairs? It seems to me that His instruction pertain not only to the disciples at that time, but also in apostolic times, and at the end of the age. Interested?

Yes of course, but we have to cross check everything, in Luke 10 we see the 70 (72 some texts say) were sent out in 2 by 2 form just like these in Matt. 10, its the exact same passage, they are to take no script, to wipe the dust off of their feet etc. this was Disciples (not the 12) Jesus sent out to help prepare path. They were only to go unto the Jews because they were an extension of Jesus' ministry, these were not the 12, they stayed up un der Jesus learning the whole time.

Reread Matt. 24:4-14, look at the BIG PICTURE Jesus is painting in verses 7-8, take it out, he is just doing that to affirm the END was BY & BY or way on down the road, then shows them by naming many, many, many wars, many, earthquakes, much famine etc. that still has to come, then he gets back to the Disciples lifetime, tells them they will all be killed, by false prophets (read Johnathan Chans "Return of the GODS") but its the clash between the Satanic gods of that time and Christianity, not Christian False Prophets. Then he warns them to not be like Judas so to speak, you must endure until the end, the Disciples turning tail and running or rejecting Christ would have destroyed the infant Church, they died instead at peace, knowing they were unworthy of Christs love. Matt. 24:4-14 is a plan put forth by Jesus on how to keep the Church as an ongoing ministry on earth.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Reaf again slowly!!!===We caught up believers go up and with Jesus to be with Him===

I Thessalonians 4:14-18​

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be ""caught up"" together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[The Light]

Here's the text in Genesis 7:

"Then the LORD said to Noah, 'Go into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation. Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate, and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and his mate, and seven pairs of the birds of the heavens also, male and female, to keep their offspring alive on the face of all the earth. For in seven days I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and every living thing that I have made I will blot out from the face of the ground.' And Noah did all that the LORD had commanded him."​

There is more text than this in Genesis 7

There is absolutely nothing in the text to indicate that Noah did all that God commanded him that very day,

Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark in the selfsame day. That day is the day that the Lord commanded him to enter the ark.
Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

and then waited for six more for the rain to start. The only thing we see is that God told Noah that He would send rain in seven days. And the only reasonable presumption upon the text (which is no presumption at all) is that Noah completed God's instructions in the time frame he was allotted, six days, as the rain was coming on the seventh.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

There is no "rapture."

There are two raptures. The Church is raptured before the seals are opened and the seed of the woman is raptured at the 6th seal.

 

[ewq1938]

Context. Those taken away are compared to those who were taken away by the flood. Therefore they are taken away in judgment, not rapture.

Much love!

You are mixing two of the stories Christ told, which is a mistake as well as confusing two different Greek words. The one taken is not those taken by the flood.

Th one taken are those who are raptured. The one left (means to be rejected and left to die in the Greek) are those taken by the flood of God's wrath.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Yes

You are mixing two of the stories Christ told, which is a mistake as well as confusing two different Greek words. The one taken is not those taken by the flood.

Th one taken are those who are raptured. The one left (means to be rejected and left to die in the Greek) are those taken by the flood of God's wrath.

Yes indeed, all one has to do is add a 50 percent ratio unto that one is taken one is left. Most do not get Jesus is saying one of every two of the 10 Virgins (Church) will be left because hey have no Oil (Holy Spirit) in their lamps. They need further refining before they can come into God's presence. Many Christians turn from their first love over time, the holy spirit will not stay in a person who has willful sin in his heart.

Jesus said 5 of the 10 virgins will miss the wedding call. Here we see one is left and one is taken. This has nothing to do with total people, this is Jesus telling us one (from the church) is taken and one (from the church) is left. A 50 percent ratio in both cases.

 

[Timtofly]

This does not change the other factors I've said. Will not Israel also be gathered to Jesus after the tribulation?

Much love!

Seems Jacob's trouble is Israel standing in judgment before Jesus.

The church was judged on the Cross.

The wheat is gathered after the Trumpets, during the Thunders. That would be those not of the church, nor Israel, but the last fruits gathered to live on earth during the Millennial Kingdom.

The only people left after this time of trouble are those with the mark, and those without a head, to avoid the mark.

While there are 3 distinct harvests, the church, Israel, and the wheat (remaining Gentiles), there are still only two types of people in each harvest. The church and those who rejected Christ.


Then out of those who rejected Christ, you have 3 more gatherings. Still two types of people gathered at the same time. Sheep and goats, both removed from earth at the same time. Then later the wheat and tares. Still both removed at the same time.

Then we come down to the last bunch, the "many" mentioned in Daniel 9:27.

At this point in Revelation we have those who will receive the mark and forever be removed from the Lamb's book of life. Or those beheaded who will be resurrected after Satan is bound in the pit. So the only one's who qualify as being after the final harvest or tribulation as some call it, will be those resurrected as being beheaded. Those still blessed by their testimony of having chopped off their heads. But the church is not defined in total has having to chop off their heads. They church is defined as having faith in the Atonement of the Cross, when God's wrath and judgment was resolved on the Cross. So wrath and judgment always befalls those who reject the Atonement. The church is the only group who is not on the earth during all this wrath and Judgment. And the GT is Jacob's trouble, yet still many are pronounced sheep and redeemed, because they are chosen by Jesus, Himself.

The wheat and tares are seeds sown by Jesus, Himself while on the earth along with Satan sowing his own following. Still both are gathered at the same time.

The last harvest is only about those who have the mark, as the beheaded are obviously harvested at the point they no longer have a head. After Armageddon or when the 7th Trumpet stops sounding only one type of people remain on the earth. Redeemed out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. That is the only harvest that remains on the earth. But to be changed means out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. They are not Christians, though that is how every one describes them. The church in Paradise are not believers nor Christians once they have become sons of God. Jesus is not a Christian. Jesus is the firstborn of the dead, a literal son of God. Once a son of God, seems the term "Christian" would no longer apply. The church will no longer exist, after the Second Coming. Since the church applies to those on earth still in Adam's dead corruptible flesh, yet redeemed.


The same for those living on earth, during the Millennium. They are no longer in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. They will be like Adam as a son of God before Adam disobeyed God. Being redeemed while in Adam's dead corruptible flesh is one thing. But no one seems to acknowledge the completed act of Daniel 9:24. That is the total removal of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Not just enduring this dead flesh. But having this dead flesh totally removed from creation to no longer being a reality.

It would seem that Preterist and Amil pretend Adam's dead corruptible flesh is no longer in existence since the Cross. So with most pre-mill, who pretend that Adam's flesh will be gone during the Millennium. The promise God gave in Daniel 9:24 will be the reality of the Second Coming. There will be no pretending to live holy and righteous.

The Cross did not remove Adam's sad state. The Cross removed the judgment placed on Adam's offspring. Only God can remove the judgment of sin and death placed on Adam's offspring. Accepting what God did on the Cross is having faith in God. That is the definition of one redeemed. That is the church experiencing the second birth.

But those on earth during the Millennium will no longer suffer in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. No longer have a sin nature, and certainly will not have decay and death to worry about. So one cannot even understand what it is to be raptured, if one cannot understand what happens to the redeemed in Christ upon leaving this physical body.

For all those who think that Daniel 9:24 was a reality at the Cross, they sure don't think so when it comes to leaving Adam's dead corruptible flesh in physical death. They still want to have us think this old body waits in the dust to be changed in the future. That means they don't think Daniel 9:24 is fulfilled. They just pretend it was. If they thought that promise was fulfilled they would accept that those in Paradise since the Cross do have a physical body, and have already been raptured at the moment the soul left Adam's dead flesh. There is no future rapture nor resurrection for those 100% redeemed currently in Paradise. They are living out those promises already.

The last point is that many view the rapture as wrong. It will happen so fast it really does not matter. But it is the angels who are said to move the soul between physical bodies as a simple explanation. So a rapture literally takes place evey time the soul is "transported" from earth to Paradise. The dead do rise first, and have been rising first since the Cross. The repentant thief was raptured off the Cross into Paradise that day.

A soul caught up from earth to Paradise is a rapture. The only difference at the Second Coming is that it happens to all the redeemed on earth in the same blink of an eye. The angels still gather the soul in all cases. The soul does not move by itself ever, if one is going to be consistent in how a soul is gathered in any event. Those in Paradise are not going to be souls transported out of their bodies. They are not resurrected. They rise with their body. The word rise Paul uses in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 is not even the same word as resurrection.

Yet most claim a resurrection happens at the Second Coming. It can't happen at that time as no one is physically dead. The majority are in God's permanent incorruptible physical body in Paradise. The rest are those on earth in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. The only future resurrection in the NT is found in Revelation 20, and only because those souls were beheaded as an act of faith, and were not judged at the Cross per se. They are judged all at the same time. Then given a physical body, and said to have the first resurrection. They are not the church, not the sheep, and not the wheat. They are all those post trib people whose souls left Adam's dead corruptible flesh, when they were decapitated. They had to wait until after Satan was bound, to be judged and allowed a permanent incorruptible physical body to live on the earth and reign with the sheep and the wheat.