Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

[Davy]

Luke 21:36 KJV
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Jesus didn't speak this to the church, which would have been through Paul, the apostle to the gentiles. Jesus spoke this to Israel, to whom He had been sent.

This is not a "rapture" passage, it regards escape, that is, to flee the things that will come to pass.

There is a manuscript variant here, some read, "and pray always, that you may have strength to escape all these things that shall come to pass".

In whichever way you read this passage, this "escape", "to flee", is an active voice verb, which means that the one referenced is doing the action.

In the rapture, those "in Christ" who are being "caught up", this is the passive voice, they are being acted up, not doing the acting. Grammatically, these cannot be the same. If they were, these verb tenses would agree.

Being caught up in the rapture is a matter of being "in Christ". Fleeing the things to come is a matter of being found worthy, or of having sufficient strength, again, depending on your manuscript.

The one enduring to the end shall be saved. Those in Judea flee to the wilderness! Pray that your flight not be on the Sabbath! Pray that you have the strength!

Much love!

Lord Jesus' Message of His Olivet discourse, which is what that Luke 21 chapter is, ain't just to the believers of the seed of Israel. Jesus was speaking to His Apostles while upon the Mount of Olives, which represented even then, the 'foundation' of His early Church (as per Paul in Ephesians 2 about that foundation).

So with the pre-trib rapture school's lie that Christ's Olivet discourse being only for or about Jews having been squashed as a lie, now one can actually read that Luke 21 Scripture and apply it to whom Christ meant it for, i.e., His Church.

 

[GTW27]

@PinSeeker =And the ark is Jesus. He carries us through the storm, rather than removing us from it. I love Psalm 23, along with a multitude of others:
AMEN !

Blessings in Christ Jesus! In a few hours a storm will appouch this place. A mobile home set on a hill. It has no tie downs. The warning will be on the tv. High winds they will say. I will start to get nervous(My flesh) and I will pray unto The Lord for help as He is my helper in my times of need. This storm will probably do damage, but not to this place. It will split, or it will turn, or it will weaken, whatever The Lord decides it will do. This has become the norm as The Lord is faithful. These storms also have become the norm to a people who have turned their back on He who is Holy and just. In the beginning of my journey their were two of us. "Two men walking across a field" One was taken, and one was left. I am the one that is left. Satan took the other one and he no longer is. In the great tribulation, there will be many who are taken, but there will be a remnant just like in the days of old. The design of the end is so that many get caught off guard and yet Jesus gave us all the warnings we will need about these times. Let us prepare to stand and watch. "Could you not watch with Me for one hour?" Blessings!

 

[Davy]

I'm continually surprised at so many of my Christian brethren who don't know how to keep in mind the event flow of a Bible Chapter.

The events Lord Jesus is pointing to with the idea of 'escaping' is about the day of desolation of HIS WRATH He mentioned back at Luke 21:20-22...

Luke 21:20-22
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
KJV

That... is what He was pointing to about escaping, His Wrath to come. That is about the FINAL DAY of this present world, the day of His future coming, to pour out His cup of Wrath upon the wicked on earth. Per Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5, those in Christ are not appointed to that coming WRATH upon the wicked. Paul revealed that event will involve a "sudden destruction" upon those who will be saying, "Peace and safety" on that last day. That is the final 7th VIAL of Revelation 16 when it happens, and is when Jesus comes to fight the battle of Armageddon with His angelic army.

So the following verses are in connection with that day of His WRATH...

Luke 21:28-36
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
29 And He spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but My words shall not pass away.
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
KJV

Escape what "all these things that shall come to pass"? That WRATH on that final day which He is going to send upon this earth. That WRATH is for the wicked, not for those in Christ.

If one does NOT escape that coming WRATH on the last day, then it means their "... hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares."

Lord Jesus was pointing to the idea of being deceived with that idea of being unawares. Apostle Paul said the same idea in 1 Thessalonians 5 about those 'drunken in the night', that 'sleep in the night'. Those are metaphors for not WATCHING THE SIGNS of the end Lord Jesus gave us to be WATCHING, leading up to His future coming on the last day of this world. Apostle Paul called those SIGNS, the "times and the seasons".

 

[David in NJ]

Luke 21:36 KJV
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Jesus didn't speak this to the church, which would have been through Paul, the apostle to the gentiles. Jesus spoke this to Israel, to whom He had been sent.

This is not a "rapture" passage, it regards escape, that is, to flee the things that will come to pass.

There is a manuscript variant here, some read, "and pray always, that you may have strength to escape all these things that shall come to pass".

In whichever way you read this passage, this "escape", "to flee", is an active voice verb, which means that the one referenced is doing the action.

In the rapture, those "in Christ" who are being "caught up", this is the passive voice, they are being acted up, not doing the acting. Grammatically, these cannot be the same. If they were, these verb tenses would agree.

Being caught up in the rapture is a matter of being "in Christ". Fleeing the things to come is a matter of being found worthy, or of having sufficient strength, again, depending on your manuscript.

The one enduring to the end shall be saved. Those in Judea flee to the wilderness! Pray that your flight not be on the Sabbath! Pray that you have the strength!

Much love!

Heaven to @marks on earth = the Gospel is speaking to the Elect of God = All who are chosen in Christ = Jew & Gentile

pre-trib is from the spirit of anti-christ as is separating Jew from Gentile in the Gospel

The Gospel is God's Marriage contract for His Bride/Elect/Church/Saints comprising of Jew & Gentile

@marks, you are on a slippery downward slope when you say: "Jesus didn't speak this to the church, which would have been through Paul, the apostle to the gentiles. Jesus spoke this to Israel, to whom He had been sent."

Apostle Paul says you need to read and believe Acts, Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Hebrews and 1 John

 

[ewq1938]

Yes

Yes indeed, all one has to do is add a 50 percent ratio unto that one is taken one is left. Most do not get Jesus is saying one of every two of the 10 Virgins (Church) will be left because hey have no Oil (Holy Spirit) in their lamps. They need further refining before they can come into God's presence. Many Christians turn from their first love over time, the holy spirit will not stay in a person who has willful sin in his heart.

Jesus said 5 of the 10 virgins will miss the wedding call. Here we see one is left and one is taken. This has nothing to do with total people, this is Jesus telling us one (from the church) is taken and one (from the church) is left. A 50 percent ratio in both cases.

IMO it's a mistake to take the ratios literally. Also, I believe the five foolish represent the Apostates (Apostasy) so they aren't counted as being a part of the church because they left.

I agree that the one taken and the wise virgins are the church, still part of the church anyways. The rest aren't any longer, and in the case of the one left it's either Apostates or others of the unsaved.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Seems Jacob's trouble is Israel standing in judgment before Jesus.

The church was judged on the Cross.

The wheat is gathered after the Trumpets, during the Thunders. That would be those not of the church, nor Israel, but the last fruits gathered to live on earth during the Millennial Kingdom.

You sure are mixed up. The 7 Thunders are the 7 Trumps, there are only 7 Judgments (Divine Completion) No one is judged at the cross, our penance was paid for on the cross, we still have to receive that "Mercy" by Faith alone. Jesus paid the price for every Gentile and Jew on that cross, not just the Church, even Faithful Abraham who believed on the coming Promised Redeemer.

Jacob's trouble is a period of time they must go through that brins 1/3 of Israel unto Repentance. Its not called any other kind of trouble because the Church is no longer on this earth, we do not need to be put through a troublesome period in order to gain repentance, we are the Barley Harvest which needs not to be crushed in order to be sifted, Israel are the wheat which must be crushed in order to be sifted.

The only people left after this time of trouble are those with the mark, and those without a head, to avoid the mark.

This comes from you not understanding scriptures, the Beast (who arises from the E.U.) will ONLY Conquer those in the Mediterranean Sea Region, as Dan. 11:40-43 tries to inform us in a vivid play by play detailed war. The A.C./Beast will only rule of the E.U. (he's President) and the Mediterranean Sea Region, that is why all the Beasts arise out of the [Mediterranean] Sea. Those who see Nebuchadnezzar and Alexander the Great in Dan. 2 being said to conquer and rule of the WHOLE WORLD and do not understand the word means EARTH/Land being spoken about (7 Heads & 10 Horns) and not the whole world are just not trying very hard tbh. We know 1/3 of the world will burn, we know the USA is not in prophecy, we also know that the New World has 1/3 of the Landmass (North & South Americas combined) so its no great shakes to figure out the 1/3 is the Hew World since Jesus will rule from the Old World. So, if you are not in the E.U. or the Mediterranean Region there is no reason to believe people will be forced to take the Mark.

 

[Keraz]

Escape all these things?

KJV Luke 21:34-36 Take heed, yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with the surfeit and cares of this life, so that the Day comes upon you unawares. For as a snare, it will come on all those that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch, ye, therefore and pray always that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass and so stand before the Son of Man.

NIV Be careful or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation and the anxieties and that Day will close on you unexpectedly, like a trap. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.

NET Be on your guard, so that your hearts are not weighed down with dissipation and the worries of this life and that Day close down on you like a trap. For it will overtake all who live on the face of the earth. But stay alert at all times, praying that you may have the strength to escape all these things that must happen and to stand before the Son of Man.

REB Be on your guard, do not let your minds be dulled by dissipation and worldly cares, so that the great Day catches you suddenly, like a trap. For that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over. Be on the alert, praying at all times for the strength to pass through all that is coming and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man.

This interesting Bible passage requires careful examination. It is obvious that it refers to the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath – the next prophesied event, then eventually, how we will stand in the Presence of Jesus.

We are informed that ALL who live on the earth will experience this coming Day. Only those who are ‘accounted worthy’ or ‘have the strength’, will ‘pass (safely) through’ or ‘escape all these things’, ‘that shall come to pass’ or ‘that must happen’.

So, this great Day of vengeance and wrath, will happen and judging by the current world situation, especially in the Middle East, that may be quite soon.

This Day ‘will come upon everyone on earth’, so it is incorrect to say that it is possible to ‘escape all these things’. We will not be ‘raptured’, or taken to a ‘place of safety’ on that Day. We are told to pray for strength and stay alert during this terrifying time. Before it happens, in the short time that we have left of the present dispensation, we ‘must not let worldly cares weigh us down’, so that the Day does not catch us without fore warning and unprepared. If you know what is coming, you are not shocked and terrified, you make preparations, you stay calm, trusting in God to keep you safe. Isaiah 30:15

Therefore the REB gives the correct translation.

To recap: many prophesies speak of this great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, which will come suddenly and unexpectedly upon the whole world. What best fits the descriptions?

Nuclear explosions? No, because even a large bomb only destroys up to a certain radius.

Comet strike? Possible, as that would cause worldwide effects. This will happen during the Tribulation period. Revelation 8:8-11.

Coronal mass ejection? Yes, a massive CME fits all the prophecies and does not leave radiation.

Isaiah 30:26a....the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness.....
No other explanation that a CME can be inferred from that prophecy. But then;

Isaiah 30:26b... on the Day the Lord heals His people....
The promise is given that on this Day, the Lord will save and protect His righteous people.

Joel 3:16 The Lord roars from Zion and thunders from Jerusalem, so that the heaven and the earth shudder, but He is a refuge for His people, a defence for the Israelites.

 

[Davy]

IMO it's a mistake to take the ratios literally. Also, I believe the five foolish represent the Apostates (Apostasy) so they aren't counted as being a part of the church because they left.

That won't work. The parable of the ten virgins that JESUS Himself gave has ALL ten virgins WAITING for The Bridegroom (Jesus) to come. And per Jesus, all 10 virgins fall asleep at the 11th hour just prior to Midnight, which midnight is when He comes in that parable.


In Matthew 20, with the parable of the laborers of the field, those who worked only "one hour", the last hour, the 11th hour, received the same pay as those who worked all day.

Matt 20:16
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
KJV


What then would that 11th hour represent for the end of this world? It represents the time of the "great tribulation". Rev.17 even reveals the ten kings will rule "one hour" with the beast (king). So that's the time of tribulation for the end of this world.

This means the five foolish virgins thought... they were prepared and ready to meet Christ Jesus, but they instead were deceived. The coming event of the "man of sin" per Apostle Paul in 2 Thess.2:3-4 is about apostasy to that coming false-Messiah in place of Jesus Christ. That... is when, and what will cause that apostasy Paul points to there.

So it's not about non-believers, the five foolish virgins are about DECEIVED believers on Jesus Christ that DO NOT WAIT FOR JESUS to come after... that "man of sin" comes first to play Christ. I wonder what doctrine of men will lead those five foolish virgins to fall away to that false-Christ that comes first? Hmmm...?

 

[David in NJ]

Luke 21:36 KJV
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Jesus didn't speak this to the church, which would have been through Paul, the apostle to the gentiles. Jesus spoke this to Israel, to whom He had been sent.

This is not a "rapture" passage, it regards escape, that is, to flee the things that will come to pass.

There is a manuscript variant here, some read, "and pray always, that you may have strength to escape all these things that shall come to pass".

In whichever way you read this passage, this "escape", "to flee", is an active voice verb, which means that the one referenced is doing the action.

In the rapture, those "in Christ" who are being "caught up", this is the passive voice, they are being acted up, not doing the acting. Grammatically, these cannot be the same. If they were, these verb tenses would agree.

Being caught up in the rapture is a matter of being "in Christ". Fleeing the things to come is a matter of being found worthy, or of having sufficient strength, again, depending on your manuscript.

The one enduring to the end shall be saved. Those in Judea flee to the wilderness! Pray that your flight not be on the Sabbath! Pray that you have the strength!

Much love!

my Brother @marks,

Please reexamine your approach to the Gospel which was written to the Jew first and also to the Gentile.

Your current mindset has you committing the error that Peter did whereby the Apostle Paul strongly & correctly rebuked Peter.

Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews? We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

 

[Gottservant]

I try to get believers to pray this all the time (Luke 21:36).

It is the difference between being ready to be saved, and knowing Jesus is doing the saving - on the one hand you know the parachute is there, on the other hand you are wearing it!

 

[David in NJ]

I try to get believers to pray this all the time (Luke 21:36).

It is the difference between being ready to be saved, and knowing Jesus is doing the saving - on the one hand you know the parachute is there, on the other hand you are wearing it!

AGREE

 

[PinSeeker]

There is more text than this in Genesis 7

I'm well aware, but that's all that was really needed.

Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark in the selfsame day. That day is the day that the Lord commanded him to enter the ark.
Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Yes, the same day that it started raining, TheLight. Seven days after God had told Noah the rain would come. This is all really beside the point. The point here was that some were propping this up as an example of the rapture, and it's really quite the opposite.

There are two raptures. The Church is raptured before the seals are opened and the seed of the woman is raptured at the 6th seal.

Nope. No removals.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[David in NJ]

I'm well aware, but that's all that was really needed.


Yes, the same day that it started raining, TheLight. Seven days after God had told Noah the rain would come. This is all really beside the point. The point here was that some were propping this up as an example of the rapture, and it's really quite the opposite.


Nope. No removals.

Grace and peace to you.

7 is God's Signature

7 represents Salvation

7th Day God Rested

MESSIAH is HE who ushered in the 70th Week and it is HE who will Complete it

"Come to ME(7) all you who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you REST" = Matt 11:28

Now when the 7 thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Seal up the things which the 7 thunders uttered, and do not write them.”
The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, but in the days of the sounding of the 7th angel, when he is about to sound,
the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

Noah and family in the ARK for 7 Days before the rain = ARK is symbolic of JESUS = 7 = REST from Wrath

7 is NOT pre-trib rapture but it is SALVATION

IMPORTANT NOTE: 7(Salvation) x 10(Tribulation) = 70 = Take your pick = REST or LAW/Judgment

 

[marks]

my Brother @marks,

Please reexamine your approach to the Gospel which was written to the Jew first and also to the Gentile.

Your current mindset has you committing the error that Peter did whereby the Apostle Paul strongly & correctly rebuked Peter.

Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews? We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Why do you find personal fault with me, but not have an actual response to the content I post??

Re-examine my post, and consider that I just may be correct. What I've said is right.

But if you are closed to real discussion, you can continue to just find fault with me. It's a public forum.

I posted a bunch of stuff last week, and you got personal about it. You apologized which was nice, but you never revisited the material. Never gave a response. Never addressed my assertions.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Well it can and is pertaining to both the Jews in the Church and those who repent after the Rapture. Jesus lays everything out and says this will come to pass, then shows them how to escape this "SNARE" but we both know Jews will escape this in two different ways don't we? Some Jews will be raptured just as we will be, whilst living, and some will be saved just before the DOTL as Zech. 13:8-9 shows which happens just before the DOTL arrives in Zech. 14:1. The they will escape by fleeing Judea, into the Petra/Boazrah area. So, both are no doubt seen as WORTHY to Escape because of repentance.

Coming back to this post . . .

This part above, this is pretty much how I see it also.

In Matthew the ENDURING unto the end is speaking about enduring until the end of ones life. As a matter of fact Matt. 24:4-13 is all a survival guide for the Disciples themselves, in vs. 6 we see Jesus says the end is not yet or is by and by (meaning the 70th week) and in order to get this point across Jesus painted them a picture via verses 7-8, showing them all the stuff that had to happen before the 70th week would come, he did this so they would not rush back to Jerusalem in 67-70 AD and be killed, along with their infant Churches. So, verses 7-8 are really just throw away lines tbh, notice he goes right back into telling the "DISCIPLES" that they were all going to die at the hands of false prophets (the Jupiter/Zeus types and the Oracles etc.) and not Christian false prophets, people confuse this also, thinking its END TIMES, its not. Lastly Jesus tells them they must endure until the end [of their lives] meaning do nit yield to the threats of death. Then in vs. 14 Jesus lets them all know 100 percent that they will never see the 70th week end, because he says THE END will only come when the Gospel has been preached unto the whole world, meaning India, China and the Scythians (Russia and the Stepp Mountains). Thus they knew 100 percent that the 67-70 AD events could not be Jesus, verses 4-14 are a survival guide for the Disciples, who needed to survive in order to get the Church off the ground.

This part, I needed to gel on it a bit, but I think I understand now how you are reading the chapter. Jesus' address to the disciples, and then speaking of further in the future. I think the essential point being to be careful to not apply to a futurist view those parts that were specifically for them, all the way to vs. 14, is that right?

You called these two verses, 7 & 8, throw away lines, I don't think, myself, that there's a single unimportant word. While I was reading through the chapter a few times with your post in mind, I could see how you were interpreting the passage, and, I felt there was some substance to that. I didn't see anything jumping right out to say that it couldn't be as you suggest. Very interesting!

I began to see that what became the question was "these are the beginning of sorrows". I wasn't remembering that you had thought this a "throw away", until I came back to write this.

Matthew 24:7-8 KJV
7) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8) All these are the beginning of sorrows.

I'm curious, how does it affect your interpretation if we are to regard these as meaningful as the others around them?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Blessings in Christ Jesus! In a few hours a storm will appouch this place. A mobile home set on a hill. It has no tie downs. The warning will be on the tv. High winds they will say. I will start to get nervous(My flesh) and I will pray unto The Lord for help as He is my helper in my times of need. This storm will probably do damage, but not to this place. It will split, or it will turn, or it will weaken, whatever The Lord decides it will do. This has become the norm as The Lord is faithful. These storms also have become the norm to a people who have turned their back on He who is Holy and just. In the beginning of my journey their were two of us. "Two men walking across a field" One was taken, and one was left. I am the one that is left. Satan took the other one and he no longer is. In the great tribulation, there will be many who are taken, but there will be a remnant just like in the days of old. The design of the end is so that many get caught off guard and yet Jesus gave us all the warnings we will need about these times. Let us prepare to stand and watch. "Could you not watch with Me for one hour?" Blessings!

Are you OK?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Therefore the REB gives the correct translation.

Flee and pass through are different, and the word there is flee. Escape.

Much love!

 

[The Light]

Yes, the same day that it started raining, TheLight. Seven days after God had told Noah the rain would come. This is all really beside the point. The point here was that some were propping this up as an example of the rapture, and it's really quite the opposite.

Genesis 7
And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

First thing God said to Noah in Genesis 7 was to enter the ark. Do you think Noah waited 7 days to enter? No, he did as God commanded. Noah, His family and all the animals entered the in the selfsame day. That days was the day that God commanded Noah to enter.

Genesis 7
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.

Noah went in and 7 days later the earth was flooded.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

 

[David in NJ]

Why do you find personal fault with me, but not have an actual response to the content I post??

Re-examine my post, and consider that I just may be correct. What I've said is right.

But if you are closed to real discussion, you can continue to just find fault with me. It's a public forum.

I posted a bunch of stuff last week, and you got personal about it. You apologized which was nice, but you never revisited the material. Never gave a response. Never addressed my assertions.

Much love!

@marks,
i have nothing against you "personally" as you are my Brother in Christ and i never once questioned your love for Christ.

@marks - i have enjoyed your fellowship from the very beginning and highly value your love/salvation in Christ.

i have noticed on here that when certain doctrines are challenged it suddenly becomes "personal".

Exposing erroneous doctrine is what the Body of Christ is called to do and is secondary to the Gospel.

When a doctrine contradicts the Gospel, that doctrine should be exposed.
If we all practiced this, how much less division and MORE JOY there would be in our midst!!!

Instead of taking things "personal" how about addressing the Scriptures to our doctrines and letting the Scriptures dictate the outcome!

Separating Jew from Gentile in the Gospel is a SERIOUS TRAGEDY of misconstrued application of Scripture.

EXAMPLE: i FULLY understand that JESUS said HE was sent to "the lost sheep of Israel" = Matthew 15:24
Did JESUS refuse the 'woman from Canaan' ??? = NO
Instead HE drew the woman in with HIS initial rejection in order that her FAITH would RISE from within her and MERCY prevailed.

Secondly, the pre-trib rapture approach to Scripture seeks to change the GOSPEL by separating Jew from Gentile which is sin.

EXAMPLE #1 : Was this spoken to the Jew only? = John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."

EXAMPLE #2: Was JESUS sent to the Jews only? = John 1:10-13
"He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

EXAMPLE #3: Was JESUS sent to the Jews only? = John 10:14-16
"I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd."

Now, in LIGHT of the GOSPEL, my hope is that you will rejoice in the TRUTH with me.

 

[David in NJ]

Genesis 7
And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

First thing God said to Noah in Genesis 7 was to enter the ark. Do you think Noah waited 7 days to enter? No, he did as God commanded. Noah, His family and all the animals entered the in the selfsame day. That days was the day that God commanded Noah to enter.

Genesis 7
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.

Noah went in and 7 days later the earth was flooded.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

TODAY, Everyone who is in JESUS is already in the ARK for 7 Days of Salvation