How should we view the Rich Young Ruler?

[Eternally Grateful]

You are obfuscating and calling Luke a liar. And you are as dishonest as they come. Why don't you paste more verses in order to deny the other half that you don't understand in order to then twist, obscure, ignore... It's like I'm interviewing someone who knows he's committing a crime. You have no business commenting on the bible as if you were a student of the bible. Maybe you could get some cred as an agnostic though.

All of your concerns are easily met if you can answer my question. Then your huge mind might be able to see through that narrow gate that leads to life.

No,

I am calling you a fraud and a liar.

Your just like the RYR who think you are ok with God. Like him you refuse to acknowledge you fall short of the requirm,ent to save yourself.

You too think you are ok.

News flash. your not.. and you mock all the tax collectors who got on their knees and called out to God.

Stop being the pharisee. and become like the tax collector before it is too late

 

[Robert Pate]

Your scheme, although taught by many decoy churches...is amiss. Jesus dealt with the sins of the whole world. By claiming to believe you are included or have an exclusive claim (like some here) to that sacrifice doesn't give you any merit with God...it is a selfish motivation. What saves you is surrendering to God, His ways, His commandments. Giving God His proper due, His proper fear, His proper service.

That can take place on 2 levels. One whereby we do all within our power. And the higher walk where we do all in His power.

There is no pushing others aside so you can claim your salvation by also claiming God's own righteousness for yourself. That is the false gospel that Paul says should be seen as heretical.

We must be careful to not misuse grace as something common that we can trifle with. With grace comes a much harder judgment...

The rich young ruler went to hell because he didn't qualify for salvation. Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. If you don't admit that you are a sinner, then you don't qualify. I was saved because I saw myself as a lost sinner. I had been rejecting Christ for decades, but when I heard that Jesus shed his blood for me the Holy Spirit fell on me like a ton of bricks and I was converted to Christ. That was over 50 years ago and I have not been the same since. Tell us about how you were converted to Christ?

 

[St. SteVen]

The rich young ruler went to hell because he didn't qualify for salvation. Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners.

That sounds like a contradictory statement. Especially if we reverse the sentence order.
"Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners." - "The rich young ruler went to hell because he didn't qualify for salvation."
Say what?
If Jesus came into the world to save sinners, how could the RYR not qualify? Was he NOT a sinner?

If you don't admit that you are a sinner, then you don't qualify.

Sounds like church-speak. Join or burn.

I was saved because I saw myself as a lost sinner.

Wouldn't it make more sense to say that you were converted (not saved) WHEN (not because) you saw yourself as a lost sinner?
That was your INDIVIDUAL turning point. (everyone differs)

I had been rejecting Christ for decades, but when I heard that Jesus shed his blood for me the Holy Spirit fell on me like a ton of bricks and I was converted to Christ. That was over 50 years ago and I have not been the same since.

Are you better or worse? - LOL
(sorry, that was such a good setup)

Tell us about how you were converted to Christ?

Unlike you, in your late 20s, I was a lad all of eight years old.
Raised in a Christian home. So... not much of a conversion, per se.
Not much opportunity for a riotous lifestyle of sin and "dissipation". - LOL

I was at a Summer Bible camp in an AM chapel service.
The preacher spoke and then gave an invitation. "Every head bowed and every eye closed..."
I found myself peeking. Looking around to see if any of these "lost" kids would raise a hand.

At that moment God spoke to me. Quietly, like a tap on the shoulder. He said...
"If you think it is so important, why haven't you done it?"

Blew my young mind. I knew who was talking to me. Nothing unnatural, or frightening about it.
I know, I know... Say what? (years later)

I knew the drill. I made my way to the front before he even asked for a show of hands.
I waited until he was ready. I repeated "the prayer" and that was that.

Decades later I realized that this man that led me to the Lord was the son
of the man that led my father to the Lord. I pointed this out at my father's funeral
since the man was in attendance. His father, an American Sunday School Union worker
had knocked on the door of my father;s farmhouse and talked to them about Jesus.
The whole family converted.

 

[Robert Pate]

That sounds like a contradictory statement. Especially if we reverse the sentence order.
"Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners." - "The rich young ruler went to hell because he didn't qualify for salvation."
Say what?
If Jesus came into the world to save sinners, how could the RYR not qualify? Was he NOT a sinner?

Sounds like church-speak. Join or burn.

Wouldn't it make more sense to say that you were converted (not saved) WHEN (not because) you saw yourself as a lost sinner?
That was your INDIVIDUAL turning point. (everyone differs)

Are you better or worse? - LOL
(sorry, that was such a good setup)

Unlike you, in your late 20s, I was a lad all of eight years old.
Raised in a Christian home. So... not much of a conversion, per se.
Not much opportunity for a riotous lifestyle of sin and "dissipation". - LOL

I was at a Summer Bible camp in an AM chapel service.
The preacher spoke and then gave an invitation. "Every head bowed and every eye closed..."
I found myself peeking. Looking around to see if any of these "lost" kids would raise a hand.

At that moment God spoke to me. Quietly, like a tap on the shoulder. He said...
"If you think it is so important, why haven't you done it?"

Blew my young mind. I knew who was talking to me. Nothing unnatural, or frightening about it.
I know, I know... Say what? (years later)

I knew the drill. I made my way to the front before he even asked for a show of hands.
I waited until he was ready. I repeated "the prayer" and that was that.

Decades later I realized that this man that led me to the Lord was the son
of the man that led my father to the Lord. I pointed this out at my father's funeral
since the man was in attendance. His father, an American Sunday School Union worker
had knocked on the door of my father;s farmhouse and talked to them about Jesus.
The whole family converted.

The Holy Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ.

I have heard of people coming to Christ because they read the Bible in their motel room left there by the Gideon's.

Regardless of how one becomes a Christian if they are not convicted by the Holy Spirit of their need for Christ chances are that they are a counterfeit.

The rich young ruler thought that he was without sin. You cannot be saved unless you are a repentant sinner. He had no need to repent because he thought that he was righteous. No conviction, no salvation.

 

[GTW27]

The rich young ruler was not willing to put The Lord above self.

 

[Robert Pate]

The rich young ruler was not willing to put The Lord above self.

I don't know what you mean by that. The rich young ruler was not willing to admit that he was a sinner. He disqualified himself from salvation. Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. If you don't believe that you are a lost sinner, then you don't qualify.

 

[St. SteVen]

The Holy Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ.

Yes, all.

I have heard of people coming to Christ because they read the Bible in their motel room left there by the Gideon's.

Agree.

Regardless of how one becomes a Christian if they are not convicted by the Holy Spirit of their need for Christ chances are that they are a counterfeit.

A counterfeit?
What precedes conviction like that?

The rich young ruler thought that he was without sin. You cannot be saved unless you are a repentant sinner. He had no need to repent because he thought that he was righteous. No conviction, no salvation.

Was Jesus helpful?
Jesus said NOTHING to the RYR about repentance.
The RYR even asked Jesus what he lacked.
Again, NOTHING about repentance.

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes, all.

Agree.

A counterfeit?
What precedes conviction like that?

Was Jesus helpful?
Jesus said NOTHING to the RYR about repentance.
The RYR even asked Jesus what he lacked.
Again, NOTHING about repentance.

The law convicts of sin. "Go sell all that you have and follow me" is law. The law demands that you do something. He could have been saved at that moment if he would have fallen on his knees and said, "Lord, be merciful to me a sinner". But he didn't.

 

[St. SteVen]

"Go sell all that you have and follow me" is law.

No, it isn't.

He could have been saved at that moment if he would have fallen on his knees and said, "Lord, be merciful to me a sinner". But he didn't.

Jesus was right there. What was his directive? He didn't tell him to repent.
You are repackaging evangelicalism to fit a time before Jesus' death and resurrection.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The rich young ruler went to hell because he didn't qualify for salvation. Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. If you don't admit that you are a sinner, then you don't qualify. I was saved because I saw myself as a lost sinner. I had been rejecting Christ for decades, but when I heard that Jesus shed his blood for me the Holy Spirit fell on me like a ton of bricks and I was converted to Christ. That was over 50 years ago and I have not been the same since. Tell us about how you were converted to Christ?

so you know for a fact the RYR did not repent before he died?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't know what you mean by that. The rich young ruler was not willing to admit that he was a sinner. He disqualified himself from salvation. Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. If you don't believe that you are a lost sinner, then you don't qualify.

You can't be qualified for salvation. No one is. its confusing to say that he is disqualified when everyone is

Thats why you must be saved,.

 

[Robert Pate]

You can't be qualified for salvation. No one is. its confusing to say that he is disqualified when everyone is

Thats why you must be saved,.

Once again. Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. If you are not a sinner, you are not qualified. The Pharisees did not see themselves as sinners and disqualified themselves for salvation.

 

[Robert Pate]

so you know for a fact the RYR did not repent before he died?

The Bible does not say what his final outcome was.

 

[Robert Pate]

No, it isn't.

Jesus was right there. What was his directive? He didn't tell him to repent.
You are repackaging evangelicalism to fit a time before Jesus' death and resurrection.

Hogwash. People were saved in the Old Testament by faith in God's promise of a savior. The rich young ruler didn't need a savior. He thought that he was without sin.

 

[St. SteVen]

People were saved in the Old Testament by faith in God's promise of a savior.

Chapter and verse.
Do you have any scriptural support for that idea?

 

[Episkopos]

Hogwash. People were saved in the Old Testament by faith in God's promise of a savior. The rich young ruler didn't need a savior. He thought that he was without sin.

This is false, of course. People in the OT were saved by obedience to God's law, the fear of the Lord, and doing what is right.

Peter states this.

But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him. Acts 10:35

This simple statement from Peter fully exposes the Lutheran lies that so many cling to...that fly in the face of the words of Jesus and the testimony of the apostles.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Once again. Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. If you are not a sinner, you are not qualified. The Pharisees did not see themselves as sinners and disqualified themselves for salvation.

it does not matter what they believed or did not believe.

they were still sinners.

and thus are qualified.

Saul repented. as did Nicodemus. as did many a jew..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Bible does not say what his final outcome was.

amen,,

so we should not say he went to hell or is going to hell

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is false, of course. People in the OT were saved by obedience to God's law, the fear of the Lord, and doing what is right.

Peter states this.

But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him. Acts 10:35

This simple statement from Peter fully exposes the Lutheran lies that so many cling to...that fly in the face of the words of Jesus and the testimony of the apostles.

um no

the law never saved anyone.

The people in the OT were saved the same way abraham was. by faith..

we are saved the same way. By trusting God.

 

[Robert Pate]

amen,,

so we should not say he went to hell or is going to hell

Very few self-righteous people will be saved. If you don't feel the need for Christ then you will never call on him to save you, Romans 10:13. Jesus said, "Few there be that find it" Matthew 7:14. Few there be that find it because few there be that seek it. What most have found is religion, which is the broad way that leads to destruction.