How should we view the Rich Young Ruler?

[Eternally Grateful]

Very few self-righteous people will be saved. If you don't feel the need for Christ then you will never call on him to save you, Romans 10:13. Jesus said, "Few there be that find it" Matthew 7:14. Few there be that find it because few there be that seek it. What most have found is religion, which is the broad way that leads to destruction.

true.

But we will always have the Saul/Paul nicodemus example of those who did repent..

never give up hope on anyone..

 

[Robert Pate]

This is false, of course. People in the OT were saved by obedience to God's law, the fear of the Lord, and doing what is right.

Peter states this.

But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him. Acts 10:35

This simple statement from Peter fully exposes the Lutheran lies that so many cling to...that fly in the face of the words of Jesus and the testimony of the apostles.

I am concerned for you. People in the Old Testament were saved by faith in God's promise of a savior, Romans 4:1-5. The purpose of the law is to judge and condemn. Paul said, "Therefore by the deeds of the law (what you do) there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20.

Peter was not educated in the Gospel when he said that. He had to learn the Gospel from the apostle Paul, Galatians 2:11-21. Read about Peter's blunder.

 

[Robert Pate]

true.

But we will always have the Saul/Paul nicodemus example of those who did repent..

never give up hope on anyone..

I was a Christ rejecter for decades. Many people accept Christ on their death beds. The door is always open. But some day it will be closed. That is why, "Today is the day of salvation".

 

[Robert Pate]

Chapter and verse.
Do you have any scriptural support for that idea?

Romans 4:1-5.

it does not matter what they believed or did not believe.

they were still sinners.

and thus are qualified.

Saul repented. as did Nicodemus. as did many a jew..

On the day of Pentecost 8,000 Jews heard Peter's Gospel and were saved, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4. They heard, they believed, and they were saved. You only qualify for salvation when you call on or believe in Jesus Christ. No response to the Gospel, no salvation.

 

[St. SteVen]

People were saved in the Old Testament by faith in God's promise of a savior.

St. SteVen said:
Chapter and verse.
Do you have any scriptural support for that idea?

Romans 4:1-5.

Well, nothing there about "People were saved in the Old Testament by faith in God's promise of a savior."
But I do love verses 4 and 5 though. Thanks.

Romans 4:1-5 NIV
What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter?
2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God.
3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a]
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

 

[Episkopos]

The error that so many make is to pit righteousness against holiness, instead of seeing these as complimentary....as in..."From righteousness unto holiness." Instead, these will claim to be something they are not. Losing both holiness AND righteousness in the process.

We see the progression of a faithful believer "from righteousness unto holiness," or at least God expects us to discover, through faith and humility, what the race of faith is all about. Nobody goes into Romans 8 without the humiliation of realizing we are unable to advance just by wanting to. That is by fully taking in the Romans 7 experience of futility. For many, Romans 7 is a dead end…like the Israelites coming up against the Red Sea. It will take a miracle to proceed.

So we are to progress from Romans 6 to Romans 8...or we should be honest and try to do so.

Romans 6 is about a change of lifestyle, from sin to righteousness, that we can assume everyone here has experienced at least .... through redemption and regeneration of the Spirit. But the flesh is yet to be fully dealt with by the cross.

Romans 6:19 "I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness."

Moving forward, Romans 7 is about being honest about a lack of power to fully overcome sin. Paul is honest about it. He lays out the scandal of desiring to do what is right but falling short...missing the power to fulfill what he so ardently desires to do. Most people in our time are not honest about this. Instead they will claim that Romans 6 is sufficient, since there is no such thing as the higher walk. When these encounter the same difficulties as Paul did...they will elevate the Romans 6 walk by pushing out all the righteous, to have it for themselves...rather than admit their own weakness and move forward BY FAITH.

Romans 8 is about the walk in the victory of Christ...above sin. So few have experienced that level of walk so as to make it that a kingdom man is as rare as the gold of Ophir...as was prophesied. Where is the faith?

So many are as the servant who buried his talent. Instead of moving forward into the deeper walk...most will remain smug and begin to judge others unrighteously...holding the truth but in unrighteousness....naming and claiming to have all they need in a state of destitution and poverty. Claiming to be rich, they are made blind and poor. They end up serving themselves and defending their status instead of humbling themselves and being instructed in righteousness. The regeneration for these, rather than helping them forward becomes a stumbling-block because of a reliance on the flesh and the unrenewed mind. They don't enter into the kingdom realm of the Spirit because of unbelief. And they will not tolerate correction of any kind. They will use the bible as an excuse to be smug and to not walk out what they have begun with by the grace of God. They remain unchanged in their stubborn reliance on vain religion rather than on the Lord.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The error that so many make is to pit righteousness against holiness, instead of seeing these as complimentary....as in..."From righteousness unto holiness." Instead, these will claim to be something they are not. Losing both holiness AND righteousness in the process.

We see the progression of a faithful believer "from righteousness unto holiness," or at least God expects us to discover, through faith and humility, what the race of faith is all about. Nobody goes into Romans 8 without the humiliation of realizing we are unable to advance just by wanting to. That is by fully taking in the Romans 7 experience of futility. For many, Romans 7 is a dead end…like the Israelites coming up against the Red Sea. It will take a miracle to proceed.

So we are to progress from Romans 6 to Romans 8...or we should be honest and try to do so.

Romans 6 is about a change of lifestyle, from sin to righteousness, that we can assume everyone here has experienced at least .... through redemption and regeneration of the Spirit. But the flesh is yet to be fully dealt with by the cross.

Romans 6:19 "I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness."

Moving forward, Romans 7 is about being honest about a lack of power to fully overcome sin. Paul is honest about it. He lays out the scandal of desiring to do what is right but falling short...missing the power to fulfill what he so ardently desires to do. Most people in our time are not honest about this. Instead they will claim that Romans 6 is sufficient, since there is no such thing as the higher walk. When these encounter the same difficulties as Paul did...they will elevate the Romans 6 walk by pushing out all the righteous, to have it for themselves...rather than admit their own weakness and move forward BY FAITH.

Romans 8 is about the walk in the victory of Christ...above sin. So few have experienced that level of walk so as to make it that a kingdom man is as rare as the gold of Ophir...as was prophesied. Where is the faith?

So many are as the servant who buried his talent. Instead of moving forward into the deeper walk...most will remain smug and begin to judge others unrighteously...holding the truth but in unrighteousness....naming and claiming to have all they need in a state of destitution and poverty. Claiming to be rich, they are made blind and poor. They end up serving themselves and defending their status instead of humbling themselves and being instructed in righteousness. The regeneration for these, rather than helping them forward becomes a stumbling-block because of a reliance on the flesh and the unrenewed mind. They don't enter into the kingdom realm of the Spirit because of unbelief. And they will not tolerate correction of any kind. They will use the bible as an excuse to be smug and to not walk out what they have begun with by the grace of God. They remain unchanged in their stubborn reliance on vain religion rather than on the Lord.

Non of this matters if you do not come to christ and recieve his blood sacrifice as a means of forgiveness of all sin. And are made alive, by doing what we are told to do is romans. One through six.

romans sic through Eight is what believers do to mature in christ. after they are saved. Unless you are given the righteousness of God like Abraham was because he trusted God. Then you’re just a christian in name, not in reality. Your on the outside looking iin

 

[mailmandan]

I am concerned for you.

As we all should be.

People in the Old Testament were saved by faith in God's promise of a savior, Romans 4:1-5. The purpose of the law is to judge and condemn. Paul said, "Therefore by the deeds of the law (what you do) there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20.

Yes. Galatians 2:16 - knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

In regard to Acts 10:35, fearing God and working righteousness is the result of an already established faith. We are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3:5) yet works of righteousness are the fruit of salvation and not the means of salvation. Those who teach salvation by works and view themselves as "holier than thou" have this backwards. Peter is giving us a 'description' of a saved Christian/believer and not a prerequisite to become saved. Works-salvationists commonly confuse "descriptive' passages of scripture with 'prescriptive' passages of scripture and the end result is always the same - "salvation by works/works righteousness."

Peter was not educated in the Gospel when he said that. He had to learn the Gospel from the apostle Paul, Galatians 2:11-21. Read about Peter's blunder.

It sounds to me like Peter had a weak moment and was playing the part of a hypocrite out of fear. Galatians 2:11 - Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As we all should be.


Yes. Galatians 2:16 - knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

In regard to Acts 10:35, fearing God and working righteousness is the result of an already established faith. We are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3:5) yet works of righteousness are the fruit of salvation and not the means of salvation. Those who teach salvation by works and view themselves as "holier than thou" have this backwards. Peter is giving us a 'description' of a saved Christian/believer and not a prerequisite to become saved. Works-salvationists commonly confuse "descriptive' passages of scripture with 'prescriptive' passages of scripture and the end result is always the same - "salvation by works/works righteousness."


It sounds to me like Peter had a weak moment and was playing the part of a hypocrite out of fear. Galatians 2:11 - Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

It is sad people put the result f salvation in a persons life in front of salvation. And say salvation is dependent on it

If we could save ourselves by how we act. The law could save us..

the fact that the law can and should only expose our sin. Shows that we can not be saved by it

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sadly. There are two reactions to attempting to be made righteous by law living or living by a set of rules

One. The person realises he can not keep that law. So he or she waters it down. They pump their chests. And make it appear they are righteous people. By pointing to sinners in reality people who sin more than they do or commit certain sins they deam as damnable sin which they do not commit. They think the sin they do commit is not really sin at all. Or they excuse their sin.. and they attack those who try to show them the truth of the futility of their works in the salvation process. Much like the jews did Christ.

two. They end up giving up. They realise the hopelessness of their situation. They can‘t live up to the standard they are being told they must live up to. So why bther trying any more. It is hopeless. They have no hope. So they might as well live it up.. why sacriice when in the end it will not get you to heaven anyway.

the hopelessness of a self righteous religious gospel is self centered. Jesus came to relieve us of this by coing and living the life we could not live, then dieting in our place. So we could be made the righteousness of Christ through him.

 

[Episkopos]

Non of this matters if you do not come to christ and recieve his blood sacrifice as a means of forgiveness of all sin.

The blood sacrifice is meant for atonement (being cleansed and freed from sins) not forgiveness. You haven't been paying attention in class.

And are made alive, by doing what we are told to do is romans. One through six.

No. Regeneration is by the Spirit. Being made alive in Christ, we enter into the race of faith. Not as we think but according to God's will. He runs the show....or else we turn into vain religious ideologues...as we have seen.

romans sic through Eight is what believers do to mature in christ. after they are saved. Unless you are given the righteousness of God like Abraham was because he trusted God. Then you’re just a christian in name, not in reality. Your on the outside looking iin

No. Romans 8 is about being translated into the kingdom walk. If we are born again of the Spirit, we have entered into the race of faith...whether we are willing participants or not. We are not to change God's ways to feel secure at whatever stage we are at.

 

[St. SteVen]

... Claiming to be rich, they are made blind and poor. They end up serving themselves and defending their status instead of humbling themselves and being instructed in righteousness. The regeneration for these, rather than helping them forward becomes a stumbling-block because of a reliance on the flesh and the unrenewed mind. They don't enter into the kingdom realm of the Spirit because of unbelief. And they will not tolerate correction of any kind. They will use the bible as an excuse to be smug and to not walk out what they have begun with by the grace of God. They remain unchanged in their stubborn reliance on vain religion rather than on the Lord.

Well said, brother.
Especially like this bit. (bold in your quote above - my emphasis)

"... they will not tolerate correction of any kind. They will use the bible as an excuse to be smug and to not walk out what they have begun with by the grace of God. ..."

 

[Behold]

The blood sacrifice is meant for atonement (being cleansed and freed from sins) not forgiveness.

The Cross of Christ is Forgiveness for Sin,

2nd Corinthians 5:19

John 3:17

which is our forgiveness...

"without the shedding of Blood there is no forgiveness of Sin, no REMISSION"...

 

[Behold]

We see the progression of a faithful believer "from righteousness unto holiness,"

The verse says.....>"Be tho Holy, as i am Holy"

So, there is no Holiness without Righteousness, as works are just works.

Where then is Holiness found,???? = so that our holiness is viewed as equal to God's, by God?

Its found here..

= "Born again". "made Righteousness".... "having become the righteousness of God, IN CHRIST".

This is why the verse says..

"As CHRIST IS.... so are the born again in this world".... and Christ is completely HOLY....

Read it again now....

"As Christ IS, so are the born again.... = IN THIS WORLD".

 

[Episkopos]

The verse says.....>"Be tho Holy, as i am Holy"

So, there is no Holiness without Righteousness, as works are just works.

Where then is Holiness found,???? = so that our holiness is viewed as equal to God's, by God?

Its found here..

= "Born again". "made Righteousness".... "having become the righteousness of God, IN CHRIST".

How can you never get anything right? You are stuck in the maternity ward. Being born again just gets you into the race. You still have to win Christ to put on the righteousness of God. The very idea that millions of immature believers are running around having the very righteousness of God is absurd...but it does fit your MO of absurdity.

This is why the verse says..

"As CHRIST IS.... so are the born again in this world".... and Christ is completely HOLY....

Adding to the words of God brings a stiff penalty. You have to enter into Christ in a personal way..to walk as Jesus walked without sin...by the power of His resurrection, before you can claim to be holy as He is.

Read it again now....

"As Christ IS, so are the born again.... = IN THIS WORLD".

I'm not a mind reader....your false ideas are in your own head.

 

[Episkopos]

The Cross of Christ is Forgiveness for Sin,

2nd Corinthians 5:19

John 3:17

which is our forgiveness...

"without the shedding of Blood there is no forgiveness of Sin, no REMISSION"...

LOL. Are you really an English speaker. Can you read? You are in the very slow stream in class. Look up Aphesis...freedom...not forgiveness.

The gospel is about liberation from sin...setting free the captives of sin. He who is sins is the slave of sin. Jesus sets us free...not just forgives us. So you are completely off about the gospel.

You are looking to be justified in your sins...you and all who think you aren't speaking foolishness.

Imagine Jesus going to a jail and declaring everyone forgiven without opening the prison doors to let people out.. That is your version of the gospel.

 

[Laurina]

Look up Aphesis...freedom...not forgiveness.

G859 from Strong's Concordance
aphesis
af'-es-is
From G863; freedom; (figuratively) pardon: - deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission.
Total KJV occurrences: 17

 

[Behold]

How can you never get anything right? You are stuck in the maternity ward. Being born again just gets you into the race.

"Born again" gets you into the KOG, into Heaven, and "In Christ" "one with God"..which you should note, is all the same thing.

Notice this verse.

The born again are "seated in Heavenly Places" in Christ"... so, that is more then the "gate".

Adding to the words of God brings a stiff penalty. You have to enter into Christ in a personal way..

Entering into Christ is done like this..

(Let Christ explain it to you..)

Jesus said. "You must be born again"

RIGHT THERE.. is the only "entrance".... into Heaven, the KOG, Christ and The Father.

Go here for Eternal Life.

John 14:6

 

[Behold]

LOL. Are you really an English speaker. Can you read? You are in the very slow stream in class. Look up Aphesis...freedom...not forgiveness.

Pauline Theology.
is the only Class i teach.

(Wiki it). "Pauline Theology"..

The gospel is about liberation from sin.

The Gospel is the "power of God unto Salvation..""

This is the "Preaching fo the Cross".

Salvation is to be "made free from sin" by the = "One time eternal sacrifice of Christ on the Cross".

To hear this, is to hear "Paul's Gospel" that is "the Gospel of the Grace of God", that Jesus delivered to Paul in person.
Paul, (and all the born again) are called by Jesus to give/preach/teach this " Gospel of the Grace of God"...= "in the Time of the Gentiles".
= Paul is the " Apostle to the Gentiles".

Read your bible, and learn all about that event.

You are looking to be justified in your sins...you and all who think you aren't speaking foolishness.

Im already born again, so, my Justification is completed by the Blood Atonement, that is the New Covenant.
This is literally the Cross of Christ, where God has provided the Sacrificial Blood of 1 Timothy 3:16 "God manifested in the Flesh".. as our eternal Redemption.

Each born again Christian, has received the "gift of Salvation" that is "The Gift of Righteousness".

Imagine Jesus going to a jail and declaring everyone forgiven without opening the prison doors to let people out.. That is your version of the gospel.

God only declares us Eternally redeemed from our sin, and given the Righteousness of God in Christ, when we do this..

= Jesus said... '"You must be born again".

How? = By the Spirit of God.

Based on what?

Jesus said... "ALL that BELIEVE IN ME.. I GIVE UNTO THEM...... ETERNAL LIFE, and they shall never go to Hell, (perish).

 

[mailmandan]

the hopelessness of a self righteous religious gospel is self centered.

Exactly right. The hopelessness of a self-righteous religious gospel is based on SELF centeredness, SELF promotion, SELF righteousness and SELF preservation. The self-righteous religious gospel is not the power of God unto salvation for everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16)

According to the true gospel, Jesus Christ is the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; 1 Corinthians 1:18-21; 15:1-4 etc..)

Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.