amigo de christo
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You should make a post about how folks view this digital system and what will they do
if they try and offer us a chip . More and more are talking themselves into stuff every day .
The Rapture is Post-trib
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if they try and offer us a chip . More and more are talking themselves into stuff every day .
David in NJ
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Pastors have been telling their flocks that "It cannot be the Mark because we won't be here!".
So many 'christians' will receive the Mark because their Pastor(John McArthur and others) said it was OK, "Jesus will forgive you!"
amigo de christo
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as the world cried shot all mighty so too will it cry chip allmighty save us from the terrors and give us our utopiain peace and safety world .
amigo de christo
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THAT IS MY POINT my friend . THEY already under a delusion and will be partakers of the Whore , the beast and its mark .
THEY been in love with a lie for a long time my friend .
But , and this is also true . IF one is a lamb and has been partly believing in pre trib
JESUS will wake it up , it wont take the mark . HOWEVER MANY WILL .
and its NOT SAFE AT ALL to believe the things that pre trib is teaching .
Lets put it this way , I SURE would not want to be responsible for having led folks astray and into believing
that somehow its okay to take it . CAUSE that wont bode well on the day of JUDGMENT at all . AT ALL .
ITS TIME we get back in them bibles and its time we understand , HEY LAMBS , DONT EXPECT EASY TIMES in this world
EXPECT TRIBULATION . WE APPOINTED UNTO IT . BOTH JESUS , PAUL , james and others TAUGHT THAT .
WE SHOULD TOO .
David in NJ
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Their pastors tell them to separate Jew from Gentile.
JESUS tells us that we who belong to Him are One Flock under One Shepherd = John 10:11-16
“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
The HOLY SPIRIT says there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the Body of Christ = Galatians chapter 3
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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The Light
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Great backwards nonsensical logic.
Where do you come up with those not written in the book are not the people of Daniel? That's not what it says.
If it said "and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that is wearing a purple hat". It means that those wearing a purple hat that are the people of Daniel shall be delivered.
And the people of Daniel that were wearing orange hats would not be delivered. They are still the people of Daniel.
Just bad logic.
amigo de christo
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SOUND IT OUT MY FRIEND . to the last breath .
No Pre-TB
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Why? Because your argument falls apart?
That’s why I posted how Christ identifies who is family. I’m American, but my people are not Americans. My citizenship is in Heaven. My people are those that do the will of the Father. Abraham’s seed is my people by faith, not the flesh. Daniel’s people are everyone written in the book. The same book Christians are written in. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are my people and so is Daniel. The children of God, the elect, the redeemed are not fleshly Jews, they are inwardly Jews. Your confusion in dispensationalism separates 1 tree into 2 trees. There is only 1 tree, Israel, which we are grafted into.
David in NJ
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Daniel chapter 12 eliminates(again) any possibilty of a pre-trib rapture.
The LORD Jesus Christ confirmed Daniel chapter 12 for the entire Body of Saints = Jew & Gentile
JESUS confirmed this = "every one that shall be found written in the book." = Luke 10:17-20 and Matthew 22:29-33
Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”
And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”
Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.
But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying,
‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”
And when the multitudes heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.
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David in NJ
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The Light
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Always the same. You see one fold. And yet the Lord says there are two folds into one. You forget about that part. Your doctrine, created by unbelieving men, skips to the end and pretends that the rest of the truth is not in the Word..........and yet it is.
David in NJ
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Do you understand the difference between a 'fold' and a "flock".
A 'fold' refers to a small group of sheep kept in a pen.
A 'flock' is the entire Group of sheep, including those of the 'fold'.
JESUS speaks of two separate folds = a.) Jew and b.) Gentile = "He came to His own(Jews) but as many received Him(Jew & Gentile)."
One Shepherd/JESUS/MESSIAH and One Flock/Jew & Gentile brought together into One Body = the Body of Christ
JESUS commands you and everyone = "What God has put together, let no man separate."
The Light
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I'm trying to grasp the concept. They are offering a college course on the difference between a flock and a fold that I'll try to squeeze in this fall.
I think I can do it if I cancel my "What is the difference between an accountant and a bookkeeper" course. It's either that or "What is the difference between creamy and crunchy peanut butter".
Are you sure? Couldn't it also include a fenced shelter? The concept seems to have many options, hence, the need for the college course.
Now what? What do you mean by a Jew and be Gentle.
Ok. So there are two raptures. That's what I thought.
David in NJ
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Davy
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None of yal's argument changes the Bible Scripture that reveals beyond... all doubt, that Lord Jesus comes on the LAST DAY of this world to gather His Church. That of course means AFTER the "great tribulation" like He said in Matthew 24:29-31.
1 Thess 4:14
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.
KJV
1 Thess 4:16-17
16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
KJV
Anyone who can READ... can see those saints that have already died, per the above 16 verse, must be raised at the resurrection. And the only... time that resurrection will happen according God's Word is on the LAST DAY of this present world (John 6:39).
That means, little children, that Apostle Paul taught that the time of those still alive on earth being "caught up" to Jesus at His coming, will be on the SAME day as the future resurrection!
So learn to read little children, because we know your public school teachers failed to teach you.
The Light
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I agree with you totally, so we are making progress.
Mark 13
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
The gathering at the 6th seal is from heaven and earth. When the gathering occurs, the Church will be gathered from heaven as they are in heaven as we see them there in Revelation 5. And of course, we know that the fullness of the Gentiles comes in before the seals are opened. Luke confirms we can escape all the things that come to pass and stand before the son of man.
Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
The dead in Christ are raised up on the Last Day of the Gentiles, When the fullness of the Gentiles comes in part of Israel will have it's eyes opened as God turns His attention to His CHOSEN. Jacob worked 7 more years for the CHOSEN bride.
Only in your mind.
1 Cor 15
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
When the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, when the Lord Himself comes for the Church, the harvest is over. Then we have 144,000 first fruits of the next harvest. When Jesus comes at the 6th seal, they that are Christs at His coming will be in the harvest. It's pretty simple
Oh Grasshopper, read this. Then understand if you can.
Hosea 910
I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.
The Lord saw the fathers of Israel as the first fruits of the first harvest. But they served Baalpeor. They would not be the first harvest. They will be the second harvest as the fig tree has two harvests. Jacob had two brides.
It is the Gentiles that will be the first harvest, and that's for a reason.
Romans 11
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Davy
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Not so fast. You shouldn't assume I agree with everything you... say.
That above parts in underlined Italics is NOT Biblical. You are trying to INSERT a false Pre-trib Rapture into that which is not written there.
In Matthew 24:31, Lord Jesus is pointing to the 'asleep' saints Paul mentioned that are RESURRECTED on that day of Christ's coming to gather His Church (1 Thess.4). Those... are in Heaven that Jesus brings with Him when He comes. The alive saints are NOT in that group, but are still alive on the earth.
In the Mark 13:27 version, it is about Paul's mention of those saints still alive on earth being "caught up" to Jesus (and the 'asleep' saints).
And the TIME MARKER Apostle Paul gave there in 1 Thess.4 is at the future RESURRECTION, which means LAST DAY of this present world.
So NO, you and I definitely DO NOT AGREE with each other. I see ONLY a POST-TRIBULATIONAL coming by Christ and gathering of His faithful Church.
The Light
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LOL.
I wasn't.
It seems Daniel 12 shows that you are trying to INSERT a false time marker regarding the LAST DAY.
So when is the last day in the book of revelation? I highly suspect that you do not know.
Oh. So you think I was leading you with the rope. Nah, I was jerking your chain.
Can you Identify in the book of Revelation when the tribulation is over. Chapter and verse?
The Light
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It seems Daniel 12 shows that you are trying to INSERT a false time marker regarding the LAST DAY.
So when is the last day in the book of revelation? I highly suspect that you do not know.
Oh. So you think I was leading you with the rope. Nah, I was jerking your chain.
Can you Identify in the book of Revelation when the tribulation is over. Chapter and verse?
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