Christian baker and transgender cake lawsuit

[marks]

Do you paint heterosexuals holding hands?

Mostly I paint beach scenes. Second to that, woodland scenes. I did once paint myself and my wife into a couple of paintings. Why?

Much love!

 

[marks]

And people have the right to hate members of minorities as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of those people. Refusing to sell the same goods and services to someone because they are a minority is an infringement of the rights of those people

Not because they are perverse, only because I won't make a perverse cake.

You keep flipping it around. You can be as gay as the day is long, that's on you. I'm not going to make a gay cake for you or anyone. That's about me.

Much love!

 

[Raccoon1010]

What if the discrimination was due to their being Muslim? Or Pagan?

Is there something wrong with leaving that decision up to me to decide. I think I would like to decide what sins I support that I am going to hell for. It will be me paying for it not you or someone else, unless you force me to sin. Which I suppose is not totally out of the question these days.

 

[bluedragon]

All are children of God.
All are born by God's will as sinners first.

Not what you are doing. You are preaching to accept the sin instead of practicing your religious beliefs .......

 

[TinMan]

Not because they are perverse, only because I won't make a perverse cake.

You keep flipping it around. You can be as gay as the day is long, that's on you. I'm not going to make a gay cake for you or anyone. That's about me.

Much love!

there is no such thing as a gay cake

 

[marks]

there is no such thing as a gay cake

I laughed to myself when I dismissed in my mind that you'd reply that way.

I guess I was wrong!

Let's make this more tedious. . . . a cake celebrating homosexuality . . .

Does that help to clarify what I meant?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Is there something wrong with leaving that decision up to me to decide. I think I would like to decide what sins I support that I am going to hell for. It will be me paying for it not you or someone else, unless you force me to sin. Which I suppose is not totally out of the question these days.

It IS forcing you to sin, because they want you to act against your faith, and that is sin.

Much love!

 

[BlessedPeace]

Not what you are doing. You are preaching to accept the sin instead of practicing your religious beliefs .......

Not at all.
I'm a realist.

I walk in the very real saving light of my Lord Christ. I am bathed in his eternal everlasting love and grace in this world where my adversary is lord, and walks too as he seeks souls to devour.

Jesus calls whom he will to be saved. No one finds him unless he, who is my Father, brings them into his grace. And our fold.

I journey among sinners daily. I work with them, and with my brothers and sisters in Christ.

If I walk with false pride thinking I am tasked to love the sinner but hate their sins, I am a liar when I say I journey with my God who is love.

Because he loves to hate those who can know no better than their fallen first nature let's them to be. Dead, to his passion and grace, his truth, because they are born to be separated, by his will, from him first.
Really?

I am a poor light in that darkness if I cast someone away because I judge them for their sins as unworthy of respect when I have chosen to be a servant of and to the public.

I arrive as a tow man to a car with two flats. It is winter, freezing, snowing lightly but with below freezing temperatures approaching . And a blizzard brewing in a matter of hours.

As I pull up to the car I see a bumper sticker that messages a gay pride slogan.And it has a rainbow background.

LOVE IS LOVE.​

Do I change their tires? If only one spare, do I change one and leave them there to face the blizzard? Not knowing if or when another tow company will reach them? What if that company feels the same way?

Yuk, gay sinner women! No way!

And leaves. Or, worse, do I tell them they must repent of their sin before I can help?

We live Christ by example.

Jesus died for sinners.

And we have the nerve to say we won't bake them a cake?

 

[doctrox]

But what about Christian bakers who don’t want to bake a cake for gender benders who wish to celebrate their transition? Do you think they should be forced to do it, since they have a paying customer? Or do they have a right to refuse service based on preference? Let me know what you think

The "Christian baker" has voluntarily entered into (contracted with) Caesar's world of commerce, thus the baker must render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Money (rather, what money leads to i.e. power) drives that machine. NO ONE buys or sells (i.e. conducts or participates in commerce -- profiteering) without allegiance to the beast.

The takeaway is that no man can serve two masters; thus the baker finds himself in a jam.

Rather, we are to come out from among them and be separate.

 

[BarneyFife]

Did I break a forum rule?

Not that I'm aware of

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[BarneyFife]

I arrive as a tow man to a car with two flats. It is winter, freezing, snowing lightly but with below freezing temperatures approaching . And a blizzard brewing in a matter of hours.

As I pull up to the car I see a bumper sticker that messages a gay pride slogan.And it has a rainbow background.

LOVE IS LOVE.​

Do I change their tires? If only one spare, do I change one and leave them there to face the blizzard? Not knowing if or when another tow company will reach them? What if that company feels the same way?

Yuk, gay sinner women! No way!

And leaves. Or, worse, do I tell them they must repent of their sin before I can help?

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I would cheerfully do everything I possibly could to get them roadworthy and to safety and wouldn't charge them a dime unless it was obvious that they were well able to afford it, especially if they had a gay pride bumper sticker with a rainbow background.

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[BarneyFife]

there is no such thing as a gay cake

Hate cake has got to be a thing, though, right? :)

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[JohnDB]

Not at all.
I'm a realist.

I walk in the very real saving light of my Lord Christ. I am bathed in his eternal everlasting love and grace in this world where my adversary is lord, and walks too as he seeks souls to devour.

Jesus calls whom he will to be saved. No one finds him unless he, who is my Father, brings them into his grace. And our fold.

I journey among sinners daily. I work with them, and with my brothers and sisters in Christ.

If I walk with false pride thinking I am tasked to love the sinner but hate their sins, I am a liar when I say I journey with my God who is love.

Because he loves to hate those who can know no better than their fallen first nature let's them to be. Dead, to his passion and grace, his truth, because they are born to be separated, by his will, from him first.
Really?

I am a poor light in that darkness if I cast someone away because I judge them for their sins as unworthy of respect when I have chosen to be a servant of and to the public.

I arrive as a tow man to a car with two flats. It is winter, freezing, snowing lightly but with below freezing temperatures approaching . And a blizzard brewing in a matter of hours.

As I pull up to the car I see a bumper sticker that messages a gay pride slogan.And it has a rainbow background.

LOVE IS LOVE.​

Do I change their tires? If only one spare, do I change one and leave them there to face the blizzard? Not knowing if or when another tow company will reach them? What if that company feels the same way?

Yuk, gay sinner women! No way!

And leaves. Or, worse, do I tell them they must repent of their sin before I can help?

We live Christ by example.

Jesus died for sinners.

And we have the nerve to say we won't bake them a cake?

There is no artistry to changing a tire...just a bunch of grunt work. Only one way to change a tire. There's millions of cakes and ways to put them together and even more ways to decorate them.
My artistic talents are not for promoting sinful lifestyles.

The homosexual can purchase a cake off the shelf...no problem. The homosexual can buy cookies or pies or tarts or even eclairs and nobody will ever say a word.
But a custom cake promoting sin?
Not happening in my bakery.

 

[TinMan]

I laughed to myself when I dismissed in my mind that you'd reply that way.

I guess I was wrong!

Let's make this more tedious. . . . a cake celebrating homosexuality . . .

Does that help to clarify what I meant?

Much love!

What does a cake celebrating heterosexuality look like?

 

[TinMan]

Not that I'm aware of

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the stop trolling

 

[TinMan]

There is no artistry to changing a tire...just a bunch of grunt work. Only one way to change a tire. There's millions of cakes and ways to put them together and even more ways to decorate them.
My artistic talents are not for promoting sinful lifestyles.

The homosexual can purchase a cake off the shelf...no problem. The homosexual can buy cookies or pies or tarts or even eclairs and nobody will ever say a word.
But a custom cake promoting sin?
Not happening in my bakery.

 

[BlessedPeace]

What does a cake celebrating heterosexuality look like?

 

[BlessedPeace]

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I would cheerfully do everything I possibly could to get them roadworthy and to safety and wouldn't charge them a dime unless it was obvious that they were well able to afford it, especially if they had a gay pride bumper sticker with a rainbow background.

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No, seriously.

 

[BlessedPeace]

All-or-nothing thinking and expression is rarely helpful in solving problems. :)

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Agreed. Perhaps our sisters and brothers in this thread will realize that.

We are all God's offspring.Made in the image and likeness of our Father.

It is unfortunate that the church focuses on one community group so to cast away our grace and act contrary to Christ's example.


Jesus died to save the world God so loved.

The parable of the good Samaritan seems an appropriate reminder at this point.

I'm going to stop participating in this thread now.

God be with and bless all who share in its many pages.

 

[BlessedPeace]

To me this isn't about judging others. I don't have personal issues with people because they have their own flavor of sin. What they do is between them and God. Given opportunity, I'll love and encourage and admonish and do all good things.

The issue for me is that my mind is a private space between me and God. I have talents and abilities that I put to use, the product of such use is an expression of my person. I don't bake cakes, but I do paint pictures.

Let's say I paint many pictures and open a gallery. One day someone enters, and complains that I don't have any pictures depicting homosexual activity, and they demand I paint some of those? My response? No, that's not what I do. Nor do I paint tulips. I just don't.

It's not about them, it's about me. I don't do that. The cakebaker just doesn't bake those kind of cakes.

Much love!

There is also the option of providing cash and carry cakes. And tubes of icing, plastic toppers, so someone can design their own cake.

Make, as you say, the policy about the cake itself, not the individual.

Unfortunately, the Christian baker refused a child's rainbow birthday cake request.