Christian baker and transgender cake lawsuit
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BarneyFife
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What if someone asked you to bake a cake for them to celebrate a murder they'd just successfully committed?
For an overtly idolatrous ceremony, maybe?
How about a successful bank job they'd just pulled?
What happens when God-haters get bold and defiantly demanding enough (if they haven't already) to walk in and say:
"I want a cake with blasphemies and God-cursing all over it?"
Would it be okay for me to sue a guy because, although he could order the stone veneer siding I want for my house and has installed it skillfully many times, he prefers to work only with fiber cement siding these days?
Or should I stick to suing only people who won't do work for me because of their religious beliefs?
Why would someone hire an artist who isn't sympathetic with the spirit of what they want to be expressed in the artwork being sought?
Is this fair questioning, for thought, at least?
For an overtly idolatrous ceremony, maybe?
How about a successful bank job they'd just pulled?
What happens when God-haters get bold and defiantly demanding enough (if they haven't already) to walk in and say:
"I want a cake with blasphemies and God-cursing all over it?"
Would it be okay for me to sue a guy because, although he could order the stone veneer siding I want for my house and has installed it skillfully many times, he prefers to work only with fiber cement siding these days?
Or should I stick to suing only people who won't do work for me because of their religious beliefs?
Why would someone hire an artist who isn't sympathetic with the spirit of what they want to be expressed in the artwork being sought?
Is this fair questioning, for thought, at least?
BarneyFife
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You've got to be kidding me. All I did was click on "New Posts," post a comment, and there you are.
Hafa Adai!
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BlessedPeace
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If we refuse to bake a cake because the perspective bakery customer is asking for a cake that glorifies sin, the baker must then refuse children's birthday cakes for a parent customer who is not wearing a wedding ring.
As a Caucasian baker they must refuse service to other races, because we are not to mix with other tribes.
The neighbors Jesus told fellow Jews to love would be fellow Jews. Because they gathered in a closed community. Especially being under the political dominion of Rome.
If we are all sinners all the time, anything we do for the public glorifies their sins.
We may see that if we first remove the log from our eyes and seek the passage where Jesus tells us to discriminate against people we judge in his place. And then put them through Hell because they're likely headed there anyway.
Not long ago blacks were freed from the chains of slavery.
Only to be recaptured by chains of racial discrimination laws.
Not the only people to suffer that, though they were unique in that the racists of that time declared they weren't actually fully human.
Irish would face signs refusing them service. Catholics too. Women couldn't inherit property, nor vote, or gain employment.
Freedom in America.
As a Caucasian baker they must refuse service to other races, because we are not to mix with other tribes.
The neighbors Jesus told fellow Jews to love would be fellow Jews. Because they gathered in a closed community. Especially being under the political dominion of Rome.
If we are all sinners all the time, anything we do for the public glorifies their sins.
We may see that if we first remove the log from our eyes and seek the passage where Jesus tells us to discriminate against people we judge in his place. And then put them through Hell because they're likely headed there anyway.
Not long ago blacks were freed from the chains of slavery.
Only to be recaptured by chains of racial discrimination laws.
Not the only people to suffer that, though they were unique in that the racists of that time declared they weren't actually fully human.
Irish would face signs refusing them service. Catholics too. Women couldn't inherit property, nor vote, or gain employment.
Freedom in America.
Which is exactly how these trans cakes are to the Christians who are asked to make them.
Are you able to demand what bumper stickers I put on my car??
Much love!
BlessedPeace
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Have we noticed?
How sinful we in our self righteous indignation can become toward others who don't share our opinion on any given biblical topic?
Christian=Christ like
How sinful we in our self righteous indignation can become toward others who don't share our opinion on any given biblical topic?
Christian=Christ like
Now you are searching for excuses. Who says that every parent wears a wedding ring? Maybe that was the Aunt or Uncle that came in to buy the birthday cake.
Maybe the baker is Hispanic or Indian .......
The truth is simple. Activists are the driving force in the majority of these cases. There may not be a problem until the problem is shoved in the face of the Baker ......"THIS CAKE IS FOR A GAY COUPLE! This cake is for the former Sally, now named Fred .....Let's see the reason for the fallout before making excuses for a courtroom.
The intent is to attack Christianity .....That's why Muslims are left alone .....
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None of those laws exist in scripture.
There is no sin in being a child of a single parent...the parent is not my concern except for paying for the cake. The child is.
You have mismatched ever thing you claim as far as I am concerned.
Asking me to endorse sin with my talents is unacceptable behavior IMHO.
No different than asking a Christian film maker to do a pornographic movie.
While you've got a point, we don't have to judge the transgender to deny being part of their sin. Jesus would encourage us to be free from sin. The baker is just doing what Jesus asks of them. That does not mean the baker is free from all sin. But he can clearly see the sin in supporting a transgender activity like a pride parade. I would refuse to be part of it too.
And just because I won't put my time or talents into glorifying their perversion, that doesn't mean I'm either judging them or not loving them.
Much love!
BlessedPeace
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It is the general theme of the new testament. It is spoken all over the place within it. "If you love me keep my commandments", "go and sin no more", etc. The bible makes it clear that people that are wicked get judgments from God while they live on this earth unless they repent.
John 5:14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.”
BlessedPeace
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Children out of wedlock is OK with God?
You aren't endorsing a sin. You're doing your job. A job you asked state permission to enter into under condition you complied with state laws.
The object of hatred are gays and transgenders. There is no moral righteousness there.
Jesus rebuked his disciples when they judged him for eating with sinners.
And talking to a Samaritan woman was unacceptable. Yet, he did that.
Jesus interceded against a crowd of self righteous Jewish men ready to stone a woman to death for the sins they judged her worthy of dying for. Because those were intolerable in their community.
Jesus said, he who is without sin cast the first stone.
They dropped their stones, all but one who thought himself worthy. Until Jesus let the man know Jesus knew his heart. And then that man released his stone.
The woman lived and was told to go and sin no more.
So many of us feel entitled to take up our stones. We defend that right.
When others treat us the way we feel entitled to treat those we judge worthy, we judge them.
My sister use to say, as God's daughter alive in the heart of Christ and he alive in me, I can be his good news as either a blessed example. Or the adversaries messenger that it is all a facade. Behavior, as proof. One way or the other.
We advertise who Jesus is, every day by how we treat others, and fellow Christians.
We are not endorsing sin when we read an electric meter at a home where a Transsexual lives. We're doing our job for our employer, the electric company.
Somehow, we think if we are self-employed we can behave in a way that would get us fired or written up.when working for others.
Now,a court has said we can devolve back to an era when it was legal to refuse blacks,Irish, Indians,and Catholics, service.
Somehow,we mistakenly think that legal opinion gives exclusive right to Christians.
Identity politics, is a sin.
God help us.
Again.
amigo de christo
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If i were a cake baker and I KNEW that the two christains getting married was not lawful .
AKA one had put away their spouse for reasons other than fornication or death .
YOU can bet your house i would refuse that cake as well . SIN IS SIN and i wont be a partaker of any mans sins .
IF i know a cake is for a wedding for gays or any other reason contrary to what JESUS said and taught .
IT WONT be baked . Now take that to the bank . I dont pick and choose what sins to accept and what sins to reject .
Now as far as being a baker folks can come in and buy as they will . BUT its for an event
to be used for evil . IT WONT Be baked by this gringo . PEROID .
And tis time the church learns that well .
Now , RAISE THOSE HANDS UP and let the KING be praised .
Condoning sin means accepting sin. God does not want Christians to condone sin as sin only leads to pain, destruction, and separation from Him. The Bible tells us God hates sin (Proverbs 6:16-19), which means we should too.
Do Not Condone Sin
If a person condones sin, it means the person accepts, allows, and approves sin in their lives or in other people’s lives. While Christians are commanded not to judge others (Matthew 7:1), it does not mean Christians should condone sin.
A person’s sin separates them from God as the Bible says, “But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2). If you condone sin in your own life, it will separate you from God. Even as believers, our sin can separate us from God.
Looks as if .....you need to do a little more reading ......
BlessedPeace
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actually, they are not, they are children of the devil.
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.
Since they embrace the lifestyle, they practice evil, and have Satan as their father.
John 8
Abraham’s Seed and Satan’s
37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have [n]seen with your father.”39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
If they loved God, they would have loved Christ, but they don't as the fruit they bear is of the flesh and not the Spirit.
Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
For more on it, read Romans1
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BarneyFife
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