Christian baker and transgender cake lawsuit

[TinMan]

She is wrong to me ... I attacked no one. I have barely criticized any LGBT (only the specific individuals that filed a lawsuit - FOR filing a lawsuit when they suffered no real harm).

Actually the Colorado Civil Rights Commission filled the lawsuit.

and being discriminated against is actually harmful

I criticize people that CLAIM to be Christian and think that declining to bake a cake is the same as a lynching (like the REST of her comment). I think THAT is worth criticizing.

hate is hate whether its refusing to serve people in your business to beating someone to death.

I am indifferent to the LGBT community. It hardly "shocks" me that the unsaved do not behave Godly. Their sins pale beside what I have been forgiven of. It is Christians that want to roll in the mud WITH THEM that I object to. We have been called OUT OF the darkness, not to champion the darkness.

So you are indifferent to those horrible filthy people.

 

[amigo de christo]

And how do you feel when Muslims come into your place of employment and start witnessing to you?

i witness about Christ to them .
I actually used to go to a certain store that a mulsm owned .
Was always nice to him . I witnessed about Christ and tried to convince him .
Never hated him , was never mean to him . Same with any gay person too .
Never mean to them , just spoke truth to them .
Now go ye and learn what that means . Its not a sin to correct sin pardner .

 

[BlessedPeace]

What are Ad-Homs, again?

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My observation regarding my faith was not in any way an Ad Hominem.

Whereas, that reply I was responding to that implied I was not a Christian, is!

And that AH arrived because I do not agree with their Christian point of view that believes the darkness of animosity,rancor, antagonism and all synonymous hateful sins, are of Christ. And from that platform therein judged me as not Christian. That judgement was an Ad-Hom.

My response was not Ad-Hom. It was a personal Christian testimony.

Thank you.

 

[marks]

What are Ad-Homs, again?

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Ad hominem is Latin for "to the man", and refers to speaking concerning your opponent instead of the topic, typically in making some negative statement.

" . . . after all, our friend here didn't actually go to college, so . . . " or whatever it may be.

Much love!

 

[atpollard]

As one to whom you have posted, I will disagree with your statement that you have attacked no one in this thread.

Point of clarification: there was talk earlier about murdered gays being shot and beaten with bats and ‘not’ being lynched. When I said “attacked” I meant it literally and in that context. Not in the new age POV that mean words are equal to physical harm.

 

[TinMan]

i witness about Christ to them .
I actually used to go to a certain store that a mulsm owned .
Was always nice to him . I witnessed about Christ and tried to convince him .
Never hated him , was never mean to him . Same with any gay person too .
Never mean to them , just spoke truth to them .
Now go ye and learn what that means . Its not a sin to correct sin pardner .

No you weren't nice, you were insulting and belittling.

 

[TinMan]

Point of clarification: there was talk earlier about murdered gays being shot and beaten with bats and ‘not’ being lynched. When I said “attacked” I meant it literally and in that context. Not in the new age POV that mean words are equal to physical harm.

Lynching is an the taking and murdering of an individual by a group and usually done in public with the tacit or explicit support of observers. Popular culture associates lynching with hanging but any method of execution counts.

 

[bluedragon]

If we apply the logic of the socialists .....All Bernie Sanders followers should have been killed because a member of the insane cult took a rifle with the specific purpose of killing Republican Baseball Players.

And with this ...In typical Tin Man fashion ....Uninformed ...


Actually the Colorado Civil Rights Commission filled the lawsuit.

and being discriminated against is actually harmful"

The Commission violated Rights by making their application of the law based on being anti religious. Read the SCOTUS ruling instead of shooting from the hip......

 

[bluedragon]

Lynching is an the taking and murdering of an individual by a group and usually done in public with the tacit or explicit support of observers. Popular culture associates lynching with hanging but any method of execution counts.

Turned into an art form by DEMOCRATS

 

[Triumph1300]

why should they have to?

Nobody said they HAVE to.
They are free to do what they want.

 

[TinMan]

Nobody said they HAVE to.
They are free to do what they want.

except apparently being treated like anyone else

 

[BlessedPeace]

i witness about Christ to them .
I actually used to go to a certain store that a mulsm owned .
Was always nice to him . I witnessed about Christ and tried to convince him .
Never hated him , was never mean to him . Same with any gay person too .
Never mean to them , just spoke truth to them .
Now go ye and learn what that means . Its not a sin to correct sin pardner .

Did you know that Muslims recognize and respect Isa, Jesus?

 

[amigo de christo]

Did you know that Muslims recognize and respect Isa, Jesus?

I know about the religoin of Islam and have talked with some muslims too .
They have NO RESPECT FOR JESUS CHRIST .
This might confuse you . I mean sure they say the name of JESUS
only ITS another jesus all together . IT aint JESUS CHRIST at all .
Just cause folks can say the name dont mean they KNOW HIM at all .
The muslims , just like new age , just like others follow what is known as another jesus and another gospel .
IT cannot save them . You go on now , go talk to them
and ask them about this jesus they cliam . THEY DENY HIM as the SON of GOD
they DENY HIM as the MESSIAH .
TO THEM he is but a prophet and one who works in league and under their great muhammed .
That AINT JESUS CHRIST at all . And its time the churches wake up to this fact
so as we can try and help LEAD them to CHRIST JESUS .

 

[Scott Downey]

Scriptures speaking out against sexual perversions.
And the results in the lives of those who practice those things living in unrepenting sin laden lifestyle choices.
And speaking of those who approve of them which do such things, the righteous judgment of God is they are deserving of death as the others who do those things.
No Christians approve of unrepenting sin laden lifestyles. and no one practicing those things can lawfully according to God call themselves Christians.
If they do approve of sin like this, they practice lawlessness against God along with the ones they approve of.

Romans 1
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their [i]women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the [j]men, leaving the natural use of the [k]woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, [l]sexual immorality, wickedness, [m]covetousness, [n]maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 [o]undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, [p]unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

 

[Scott Downey]

God's warning is against those who practice such things, including sexual perversions, will not be going to heaven. v11, you can be forgiven by God for all those things, but those who continue to practice those things are not forgiven. Reality is they are not converted to the gospel, and that shows in how they live their lives, they are the lawless ones, who do not respect the laws of God.
Just a few warning scriptures, there are many more. God does not want you to be deceived about these things, the devil though deceives the whole world.

Revelation 12
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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Matthew 7:23
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Romans 2:2
But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.

1 John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

1 John 2:29
If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.

Revelation 22
14 Blessed are those who [g]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 [h]But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

1 Cor 6
7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [b]homosexuals, nor [c]sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were [d]sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Glorify God in Body and Spirit​

12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not [e]helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of [f]any. 13 Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power.

15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not! 16 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.” 17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body [g]and in your spirit, which are God’s.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Scriptures speaking out against sexual perversions.
And the results in the lives of those who practice those things living in unrepenting sin laden lifestyle choices.
And speaking of those who approve of them which do such things, the righteous judgment of God is they are deserving of death as the others who do those things.
No Christians approve of unrepenting sin laden lifestyles. and no one practicing those things can lawfully according to God call themselves Christians.
If they do approve of sin like this, they practice lawlessness against God along with the ones they approve of.

Romans 1
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their [i]women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the [j]men, leaving the natural use of the [k]woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, [l]sexual immorality, wickedness, [m]covetousness, [n]maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 [o]undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, [p]unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

I should stop reading here if I want to stop posting, as I had decided to pages ago.

However, I think a bit of right perspective is necessary at this stage.

Jesus spent time with people Jewish law labeled forbidden.
He dined with sinners, spoke to a Samaritan woman, healed the untouchable, and interceded for a woman accused of adultery. And much more.

This did not mean he agreed with those behaviors.

Christians are expected to put on Christ in all that we do.

Creating a bouquet for the funeral of the mother of a gay person isn't condoning homosexuality.
How does someone know their customer is gay in the first place?

 

[Scott Downey]

I should stop reading here if I want to stop posting, as I had decided to pages ago.

However, I think a bit of right perspective is necessary at this stage.

Jesus spent time with people Jewish law labeled forbidden.
He dined with sinners, spoke to a Samaritan woman, healed the untouchable, and interceded for a woman accused of adultery. And much more.

This did not mean he agreed with those behaviors.

Christians are expected to put on Christ in all that we do.

Creating a bouquet for the funeral of the mother of a gay person isn't condoning homosexuality.
How does someone know their customer is gay in the first place?

Jesus did not hang with those people and tell them God bless you., keep on doing what your doing.
He told them to repent of their evil ways, empty way of life, and believe in Him, teaching about the kingdom of God.
A lot of time He spoke to them in parables, which have to be interpreted. But to His disciples he declared to them the true meaning.
Christians are not supposed to bless people who are doing evil deeds in an approving manner.

IT would have been Christian of the baker to bake a cake and write on it as a message repent of your evil sexual immorality.

I am sure that will go over like a lead balloon party pooper.

 

[MatthewG]

This reminds me of the baker who died just shortly after he was recently released from prison (book of daniel). My mom would say just bake a cake, and make some money, their lifestyle choices don't really effect you.

 

[Scott Downey]

Jesus also told us Christians not to cast your pearls before swine....

Matthew 13

The Purpose of Parables​

10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”

11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the [a]mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I [b]should heal them.’
16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

 

[gpresdo]

This reminds me of the baker who died just shortly after he was recently released from prison (book of daniel). My mom would say just bake a cake, and make some money, their lifestyle choices don't really effect you.

Then would you think it is ok for a Christian to sell liquor at a liquor store?...or own a bar and sell liquor drinks?