For the benefit of those who read these exchanges, there comes a time to give up on the one who wants to remain ignorant
Don't worry Jane I have not given up on you yet.
…..very wrapped up in their own interpretation of scripture. Who else believes as you do F2F? Who are your brotherhood?
Still holding to that old chestnut I see...nothing has changed?
For the fact that the devil exists?……or that Jesus contended with a real entity since he was born in sinless flesh?
This should be good...fact is, many false accusers live and its probable you have been one in your life! I'm not sure what you mean by "sinless" flesh as sin is not in the flesh as a physical entity Jane...it takes place in the mind - hence Paul calling it the carnal mind in Romans 8:7 - Christ had the same mind though never gave it voice or action but crucified it on the tree.
…..or that Jesus was born from God and not Adam?….. Are you serious?
True enough, born of God... but came to be of a woman. Galatians 4:4 (rather obvious and not sure of your point!)
What Christian has doubts about any of those things? They are clearly stated in the scriptures. (John 8:23; Hebrews 4:15; John 3:16)
Are you talking about Paul's teaching on the
second Adam? 1 Corinthians 15:45-49 And so it is written, “The first man
Adam became a living being
The last Adam became....”
Love that word "became!"...carries so much meaning to those who understand the truth.
Maybe you don't even understand how God redeemed His Son? How Christ obtained enternal redemption for himself first!
The devil and his cronies continued to be very much alive upon the Lord’s death…..what was destroyed was the devil’s hold on God’s people. The fear of death no longer held them captive.
Well...your leaving the Bible now...its the Gospel according to Jane!
Messiah had come, but it was not time for his rulership to begin until all things are subjected to him…..do you see all things subjected to him already?
Bla bla bla...regurgitating your Sunday School lessons Jane? You know any time you try and provide details about your make belief agent of evil you know you have no basis, no Scripture to expound - its all-fantastical notions bumping around in your brain. Challenge the teaching for yourself Jane and go after truth, but first leave behind your "brotherhood" and be enlightened.
Sharing humanity is not sharing sin.
Correct! He had the exact nature as you Jane.
No, “who“ has the power of death? Satan is a “who”….not a “what”.
Many things are personified in the Bible….
Correct
.it doesn’t make them persons.
Again true!
The devil is personified but the scriptures reinforce the fact that satan is a real entity who was permitted to tempt the son of God
Hold on, who are you speaking about? A false accuser, or an adversary? You mention devil and satan in the same sentence, without even dealing with Hebrews 2:14???? How so? How can you jump from Paul personifying sin (devil) to forcing a literal supernatural evil being on the text? You don't do that Jane! You can't do that! You either deal with Hebrews 2:14 honestly or walk away.
.“Sin’s power” was not “broken on the cross” because sin has continued to plague humankind ever since their rebellion in Eden. So how was it that sin was dealt with back then at Christ’s death?
I can't believe you just wrote that Jane...really??? You are so focused on your ficticous creature that you missed the meaning of Hebrews 2?
2:14 Therefore, since the children
share in flesh and blood, he likewise shared in their humanity, so that through death he could destroy the
one who holds the power of death (that is, the devil), 2:15 and set free those who were held in slavery (Wages of sin is death!) all their lives by their
fear of death. Heb 2:13–15.
God destroyed sin's power in the body of His Son Jane - that's the whole point of being in Christ, which is why Paul tells you "Therefore, there is
now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,
Sin can no longer condemn you Jane because God removed its power in His Son (through his death!).
I won't go into "the how" right now, for something tells me you don't wont to learn this truth.
Jesus provided the means for mankind to be forgiven their sins, in spite of the fact that they were still “in sin”.
True, sin is still in existence today but its been dealt with in the Lords Body! For those in Christ there is no condemnation from sin if one lives faithfully.
How does satan hold people in slavery with fear of death ?
Sin does Jane! - because its wages is death = sins power is death!
for “believers” who swallow satan’s first lie that, “you surely will not die”, it is the fear of the afterlife….a hell of eternal torment awaits those who get it wrong….neither of these ideas is what the Bible teaches.
You mean "the serpent" which the Lord God made, right?
See how easy that was to misrepresent that Scripture?
You and I both know the OT, not once, references your make believe creature - NOT ONCE!
Yes to both. The Bible clearly talks about ”the adversary” who is an accuser. Your adversary at law is one who opposes you.
Since angels and God exist in an invisible realm and the Bible indicates that satan and those he has separated from God are angels, as well as humans, your story falls flat.
No Bible support Jane...nothing!
“And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about the meaning of these symbols and that you do not know the context to which these verse's apply.
Only one question
Does this warfare take place in the same "heaven" as where the woman gave birth to her son in verse 1?
Are the woman and son literal people who were born in the same Heaven as verse 7?
If you decide to engage with me Jane, you must be prepared to acknowledge the difficulties with your own forced notions. Do you know the symbol of Heaven, Michael, angels, the great dragon, the Serpent etc ?
If you decide to reply I'm certain we shall find out this section of prophecy is far from what you think it is.
The original serpent is satan, a rebel spirit who was carried away by this own magnificence,
No, this is what you have been led to believe.
Let me ask you a question about the dragon...what does the Greek word mean δράκων and how does it's meaning represent it's symbol in Rev 12? Explain what the similarities are between the Serpent and the Dragon? Why the connection to the Old Serpent in Gen 3? And how does that event manifest itself in the events of Rev 12 and the Dragon?
To answer these you must leave your notions of a supernatural evil being and a literal dragon! You will need to carefully use your knowledge of what happened in the beginning and the development of that event in the earth today.
Pray first and search!
Satan told God to afflict Job, but in his righteousness he could not bring calamity upon such a faithful servant of his.
I deleted the remainder of your reply as it was clearly error.
Job 42 is super clear, as in other passages of Job, it states the following:
Then came to him all his brothers and sisters and all who had known him before, and ate bread with him in his house. And they showed him sympathy and
comforted him for all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him (Job). And each of them gave him a piece of money and a ring of gold. Job 42:11
There is much to learn Jane, and I've tried to show you many things, but you hold to your JW doctrines with a fierce grip, something to be admired really, but you will need to let them go if you want to know the real truth on this subject.
F2F