Re Spirit baptism

[Godslittleservant]

Playing the "God card" then, to win the debate. Boo!
What about the scriptures we shared with you?

I agree with most of what you say I agree that one has to have faith before repentance confession or baptism is of any value
I dis agree that the dry baptism of the holy ghost you are pushing with the accompanying signs is the baptism in the spirit Jesus was to baptize with but Jesus is baptizing with the baptism in his name I feel I show with scripture that is the case I asked you if it scripture is not backing the truth of Acts 2 I am not playing the God card just showing you what he had recorded.
I showed you that the baptism of the holy ghost you think is for all is not but that the baptism in Christ name is the spiritual baptism Jesus was to baptize it is not my opinion but what God had recorded I did not write the passages I showed I just pointed you to them so you can consider what it is God d=said on the subject.

I am not playing the God card just pointing out his word in scripture it is not just for me but for us all we take him for his word or reject his word it is freewill for us to do either.

I used scripture to deal with your scriptures they miss part of the plan they are not complete and I showed you why

 

[Godslittleservant]

Have you been water baptized?
Testify to what happened, please. Thanks.

I asked you earlier if you had the Baptism with the Holy Spirit with evidence.
I don't recall seeing any response.

Yes I have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ per Acts 2:38 and Paul explains better than I could what happened in that baptism in Romans 6

No I have not been baptized in what you call the baptism of the holy spirit with evidence because I showed you with scripture that it was for a purpose and did not give the indwelling spirit but the power of confirming the word until it was recorded.

I have answered and given scriptural support you are just not hearing

 

[Godslittleservant]

St. SteVen said
Seriously?
You know what a loaded question is, right?

Sure.
Answer this question with either a Yes, or a No. Got it? Yes, or No.

Have you stopped beating your wife?

Yes, or No?

Ok so I guess you mean by a loaded question the is no right answer if yes then why was i to begin with if no then why not
Gods word does not need to be a loaded question for he generously supplies the answers just be ready to hear his answer

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Brother, he did say he was a work in progress...kind of makes sense, what he’s posting, don’t you think?

We can hope.

He needs to be more open though.. Even to the fact he may be wrong. otherwise.. well you know

 

[Godslittleservant]

Do you understand what the Living word of God is saying here?

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

And this scripture....what do you think it means?

Hebrews 4:12​

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New International Version​

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12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Yes I agree we can not see the spirit but we can see the fruits
Yes I never said Gods word is not alive that is why we must study to show ourselves approved we can find new tidbits if we keep studying the living word it will speak truth to us where we have missed.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

First did you read all I have had to say on this subject? I really do not want to have to repeat myself.
Then we will say you have so answer me a few questions. Did Peter speak from the spirit not say that the baptism in the name of Christ was for remission of sin and the giving of the spirit if not how not it read it word for word from Gods word so show me how it did not mean what it said which was wrong it doesn't remit sin as told or it does not give the spirit as told?

Where go you see a command to be baptized in the spirit to receive the power of confirming the word isn't that different from the indwelling spirit and comes about by laying on of hands as seen in Acts 19 please show me why it is not as recorded.

Please show me why all the connecting scriptures that deal with the baptism in the name of Christ is miss written in the bible
If you want me to believe you then you must take these scriptures and show me how the were miswritten.

your stuck on acts 2

being baptized for remission in any language can mean multiple things

Be baptized to receive remission of sin

be baptized because I have received remission of sin.

the fact that the HS refers ONLY to repent.. and one has to have received remission of sin PRIOR to recieving the spirit.

the only one which fits is the second one.

we are baptized BECAUSE we have received

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes I have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ per Acts 2:38 and Paul explains better than I could what happened in that baptism in Romans 6

No I have not been baptized in what you call the baptism of the holy spirit with evidence because I showed you with scripture that it was for a purpose and did not give the indwelling spirit but the power of confirming the word until it was recorded.

I have answered and given scriptural support you are just not hearing

then by your own testimony, How can you be born again?

 

[Ritajanice]

We can hope.

He needs to be more open though.. Even to the fact he may be wrong. otherwise.. well you know

I know I am wrong at times and get on my “ high horse “,LOL.

That’s why I look to the Holy Spirit, through you and Behold...he tends to speak to me through you two...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I know I am wrong at times and get on my “ high horse “,LOL.

That’s why I look to the Holy Spirit, through you and Behold...he tends to speak to me through you two...

We have to be open.

If I never opened myself up. I would still believe in alot of bad doctrine..

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes I have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ per Acts 2:38 and Paul explains better than I could what happened in that baptism in Romans 6

No I have not been baptized in what you call the baptism of the holy spirit with evidence because I showed you with scripture that it was for a purpose and did not give the indwelling spirit but the power of confirming the word until it was recorded.

I have answered and given scriptural support you are just not hearing

What was the purpose of everyone at the house of Cornelius receiving the Holy Spirit with evidence?

Acts 10:44-47 NIV
While Peter was still speaking these words,
the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.
45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that
the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles.
46 For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.
They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”

Acts 11:15-17 NIV
“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.
16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with[a] water,
but you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.’
17 So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ,
who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”

 

[Godslittleservant]

your stuck on acts 2

being baptized for remission in any language can mean multiple things

Be baptized to receive remission of sin

be baptized because I have received remission of sin.

the fact that the HS refers ONLY to repent.. and one has to have received remission of sin PRIOR to recieving the spirit.

the only one which fits is the second one.

we are baptized BECAUSE we have received

But you are not letting scripture define it for you you are stuck in your false notion of what you think it means. If it means be baptize because I have received remission of sin then you need to explain to Pail he did not understand why he was baptized in the name of the Lord per Acts 2:38 when he was told Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. He seemed to believe that the baptism in Christ name Acts 2:38 did indeed wash away his sin it was how he calls on God for redemption.

Not what Paul taught we are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ to receive the indwelling spirit as he preached in Acts 19:1-5 and if it is true that the baptism in Christ name is how we get the spirit it stands to reason it is for the remission of sin as stated and Paul understood it to mean when he washed away his sin He went further and told how God did it in the baptism in the name of Christ in Romans 6

Now be honest and tell me if these passages go hand in hand to verify Gods word.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But you are not letting scripture define it for you you are stuck in your false notion of what you think it means. If it means be baptize because I have received remission of sin then you need to explain to Pail he did not understand why he was baptized in the name of the Lord per Acts 2:38 when he was told Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. He seemed to believe that the baptism in Christ name Acts 2:38 did indeed wash away his sin it was how he calls on God for redemption.

Not what Paul taught we are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ to receive the indwelling spirit as he preached in Acts 19:1-5 and if it is true that the baptism in Christ name is how we get the spirit it stands to reason it is for the remission of sin as stated and Paul understood it to mean when he washed away his sin He went further and told how God did it in the baptism in the name of Christ in Romans 6

Now be honest and tell me if these passages go hand in hand to verify Gods word.

scripture did define it for me

In the Greek. The gift of the Holy spirit only refers back to repent ye..

Remission of sin and baptism are only directed to a select group of people.. who is this group? The people who received the spirit, BECAUSE they received remission of sin

second.

Jesus tells us how to get eternal life and be born again, He never mentions water baptism as the means.. so unless Peter contradicts Jesus.. we must interpret him correctly.

 

[Godslittleservant]

We can hope.

He needs to be more open though.. Even to the fact he may be wrong. otherwise.. well you know

He is trying to be open but he wants the scriptures to lead him not mans opinion I am still learning but you have failed to show me where the scriptures I am showing do not add up. You have not shown me that the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ did not remit sin and was not the giving of the spirit. I feel I have adequately shown with scripture that it is just that.

 

[Godslittleservant]

What was the purpose of everyone at the house of Cornelius receiving the Holy Spirit with evidence?

Acts 10:44-47 NIV
While Peter was still speaking these words,
the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.
45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that
the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles.
46 For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.
They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”

Acts 11:15-17 NIV
“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.
16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with[a] water,
but you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.’
17 So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ,
who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”

The purpose is recorded right there
God decided it was time to add the gentiles the Jews are not ready so he prepares Peter for this mission because Peter is of the mindset that they are not to associate with the Jews God Shows him that he is ready to cleanse the gentiles while he is prepare Peter for this mission he tells Cornelius to send for Peter

Peter arrives and tells them it is uncustomary for Jew to mingle with Gentiles but God showed him in a vision it is Gods will to invite the gentiles into the kingdom. While he begins to preach the gospel the spirit CAME UPON did not say indwell to show signs to who? the Jews that accompanied Peter they did not know it was Gods will the Signs was fro them to believe that God had sent Peter not for the indwelling of the gentiles they got the indwelling when the were baptized in bChrist name as seen in verse 47 and 48

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He is trying to be open but he wants the scriptures to lead him not mans opinion I am still learning but you have failed to show me where the scriptures I am showing do not add up. You have not shown me that the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ did not remit sin and was not the giving of the spirit. I feel I have adequately shown with scripture that it is just that.

But are you open?

You keep using one verse.. then you claim Romans 6 is baptize in Jesus name. (even though it does not say that) And I showed you how by using the Greek definition. It means to be immersed into Christ. not water. which would agree with everything Jesus said

I also showed you in John how Jesus tells us how to be born again.. to pass from life to death. And not once did Jesus mention baptism.

you have to ask why.

I also showed you in acts 2 where "to receive remission of sin" was not an applicable interpretation.

 

[Godslittleservant]

then by your own testimony, How can you be born again?

Are you not listening by scriptural proof by the baptism in Christ name where he remitted my sin and gave me the indwelling deposit as a down payment all scriptural

I did not get the power signs of confirmation because the word is already confirmed and no longer needs to be confirmed I had faith in what was recorded for my redemption I got the indwelling spirit the comforter to help me grow in the spirit the new life and produce fruits of the spirit in me

I can not get you to see that Romans 6 is talking about when you were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ it is pointing to the work God is doing in the act to redeem you from dead in sin to a new spiritual life in Christ It clearly says that it said "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?" it is referring to Acts 2:38 the only baptism we are commanded it is THE baptism that Jesus baptizes with it is a spiritual baptism in that it removes our sin and gives us the indwelling spirit (new life) Just as Paul said it does in Romans 6 and Peter says it does in Acts 2 they are the one and the same.

 

[Godslittleservant]

But are you open?

You keep using one verse.. then you claim Romans 6 is baptize in Jesus name. (even though it does nto say that) And I showqed you how by using the Greek definition. It means to be immersed into Christ. not water. which would agree with everything Jesus said

I also showed you in John how Jesus tells us how to be born again.. to pass from life to death. And not once did Jesus mention baptism.

you have to ask why.

I also showed you in acts 2 where "to receive remission of sin" was not an applicable interpretation.

Okay it is your turn. Show me that the baptism of Romans 6 and of Acts 2 are not the one and the same show me where we are told to be baptized in any other name? Do you not know that the whole of the gospel of John is pointing to the fulfillment of Christ's mission to the cross. The plan of salvation only in complete form after the cross not before we start with the first fully completed gospel of the death burial and resurrection starting in Acts 2 where Peter opened the doors to the church and God started add those that were being saved?

You say you showed me in Acts 2 where "to receive remission of sin" was not an applicable interpretation.

I showed you from scripture where scripture said it was but you reject it

 

[Godslittleservant]

So Jesus did not preach the gospel??

wow

Jesus like John the baptist and his disciple was teaching the kingdom to come it came after his death and resurrection it is now the completed gospel for what it was pointing to when Jesus was alive in now come and in effect rightly divide my brother rightly divide

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus like John the baptist and his disciple was teaching the kingdom to come it came after his death and resurrection it is now the completed gospel for what it was pointing to when Jesus was alive in now come and in effect rightly divide my brother rightly divide

Jesus told nicodemus how to be born again.

We are told those of us today who have the faith of Abraham will be saved the same way he was

the law never saved anyone

God did not give us a new law and say this is now how you are to be saved

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Okay it is your turn. Show me that the baptism of Romans 6 and of Acts 2 are not the one and the same show me where we are told to be baptized in any other name? Do you not know that the whole of the gospel of John is pointing to the fulfillment of Christ's mission to the cross. The plan of salvation only in complete form after the cross not before we start with the first fully completed gospel of the death burial and resurrection starting in Acts 2 where Peter opened the doors to the church and God started add those that were being saved?

You say you showed me in Acts 2 where "to receive remission of sin" was not an applicable interpretation.

I showed you from scripture where scripture said it was but you reject it

how many times do I have to show you?

1. Romans 6. As many of us have been BAPTIZED (immersed or placed into) IN CHRIST

2. Acts 2..

And peter said REPENT (2nd person plural) and you will recieve the gift of the spirit (2nd person plural) let every one of you be baptized (3rd person singular) in the name of Jesus for (because you have recieved) remission of sin

And he proves it in the following verse.

And all of those who believes (repented) were baptized...