A Question for Jehovah's Witnesses

[Jack]

Yes, so this either is or isn't true. This passage isn't speaking of an internal voice or something like that, "seeking whom he may devour" includes whomever may be available.

I just don't see how to deny the existance of the devil unless you are willing to ignore the plain sayings of any number of Scriptures.

Much love!

Satan succeeds by staying hidden. He uses people like some here to succeed! Those who say Satan doesn't exist are his messengers.

 

[face2face]

Hebrews 2:14-15
(14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
(15) And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

John 10:17-18
(17) Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
(18) No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus was not subject to the bondage of fear of death.

Jesus shared in flesh and blood, but was not under the condemnation of death as though He were a sinner like us. He was like us, except without sin.

Much love!

You see there you go again...you quote Scripture and continue to say the opposite of what its saying. How am I to respond to you doing that?

Hebrews 5:7 disagrees with you Marks

In the days of his flesh (sin's flesh), Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.

We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. Romans 6:9

He feared death!
He feared God who was able to save him from death
Death was working in his body!
God destroyed the power of death in His son.

How was sin represented in the Body prepared by God?

You have the answer in Hebrews 2

14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, Jesus himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil (=sin), 15 and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery (as Jesus was!). 16 For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. 17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.Heb 2:14–18.

Homework for Marks:

1. Explain what "every respect means" in that context
2. Show how sin is personified in the text to mean devil
3. Why is Jesus always represented by death? What happened in his death and how did dying remove deaths power?
4. If Jesus was in sin's flesh just as those he was raised up to save - did he experience the fear of going to his death? What Scriptures reveal that fear?
5. Were there times in Jesus ministry where the reality of that death pressed in on him hard?
6. How did God have his Victory in the Body of Jesus Christ?
7. If Jesus did not have our nature explain how this removes God's victory.

Have a go Marks (I'm here to help if you need it)

In the masters service
F2F

 

[face2face]

Satan succeeds by staying hidden. He uses people like some here to succeed! Those who say Satan doesn't exist are his messengers.

Garbage - you believe he is like a roaring lion devouring at will! Make up your mind Jack! You either believe what the text states or you dont!

 

[Jack]

Garbage - you believe he is like a roaring lion devouring at will! Make up your mind Jack! You either believe what the text states or you dont!

Satan has deceived you just like the majority of humans. That's why you don't believe in the everlasting fire that Jesus clearly warned us about!

 

[face2face]

Satan has deceived you just like the majority of humans. That's why you don't believe in the everlasting fire that Jesus clearly warned us about!

The roaring Lion Jack!

 

[Jack]

The roaring Lion Jack!

Referring to being devoured.

 

[face2face]

Referring to being devoured.

Yes Jack you said your Devil hides whereas Peter says its a roaring Lion devouring people - just not sure you know what you believe in.

 

[Jack]

Yes Jack you said your Devil hides whereas Peter says its a roaring Lion devouring people - just not sure you know what you believe in.

Satan is alive and well. That's why you reject the clear NT doctrine of the everlasting fire. Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.

Matthew 13
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

[face2face]

Satan is alive and well. That's why you reject the clear NT doctrine of the everlasting fire. Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.

Matthew 13
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

How many of your family members have been devoured by him?

 

[BlessedPeace]

Has anyone noticed something that is seemingly similar in all Christian discussions forums BDF?

Most OP's and responding posts discussing any biblical topic seemingly are where individuals assert in the OP they know what it means to be Christian. And understand the scriptures message.
And responses are in majority those who disagree. And insist,unlike others who may have posted , they know the truth and others are deluded or wrong.

Pick a biblical topic, any topic, and it's all the same. I know what it means to be a Christian and understand God's words, and you don't!

 

[Jack]

How many of your family members have been devoured by him?

I trust in God's promises, and there are MANY. So, what exactly are you saying? Satan / the Devil never existed? Ceased to exist?

 

[face2face]

I trust in God's promises, and there are MANY. So, what exactly are you saying? Satan / the Devil never existed? Ceased to exist?

Some doctrines Jack require you to labour in His Word...I don't take you to be the labouring type.

 

[face2face]

Has anyone noticed something that is seemingly similar in all Christian discussions forums BDF?

Most OP's and responding posts discussing any biblical topic seemingly are where individuals assert in the OP they know what it means to be Christian. And understand the scriptures message.
And responses are in majority those who disagree. And insist,unlike others who may have posted , they know the truth and others are deluded or wrong.

Pick a biblical topic, any topic, and it's all the same. I know what it means to be a Christian and understand God's words, and you don't!

There is truth and there is error - the Bible is a complex work; a very deep well of hidden wisdom...many read 66 books and fail to see the core theme while others can see it clearly. From the very beginning God's Word has been misrepresented and the lies have made their way into mainstream Christianity and the extreme of this is the many catechisms of the RCC.

When the Lord returns what would happen if you discovered most of what you know is false? Would you be able to learn again? Could you except divine instruction?

Many wouldn't

F2F

 

[Jack]

Some doctrines Jack require you to labour in His Word...I don't take you to be the labouring type.

How utterly evasive! It's a very simple question.

 

[face2face]

How utterly evasive! It's a very simple question.

Yes, that your rebel angel is roaming around the world devouring people at will.
Very naive Jack...very

 

[Jack]

Yes, that your rebel angel is roaming around the world devouring people at will.
Very naive Jack...very

Very simple questions: "Satan / the Devil never existed? Ceased to exist?" If you can't answer them then you should stop trying to teach us about the Devil / Satan! You obviously do not know!

 

[face2face]

Very simple questions: "Satan / the Devil never existed? Ceased to exist?" If you can't answer them then you should stop trying to teach us about the Devil / Satan! You obviously do not know!

You have a hyper literal way of reading the Bible - its lazy to be honest. Hyper Literal means Extremely literal!

Because you read the Bible this way you are forced into believing the rebel angel devours people like a lion, which is why I asked if any of your family have been taken?

We are still looking for aunt Mary

 

[Jack]

You have a hyper literal way of reading the Bible - its lazy to be honest. Hyper Literal means Extremely literal!

Because you read the Bible this way you are forced into believing the rebel angel devours people like a lion, which is why I asked if any of your family have been taken?

We are still looking for aunt Mary

I'm a literalist. You make a mockery of the Bible when you deny that he, Satan exists!

 

[face2face]

I'm a literalist.

A huge mistake!

 

[quietthinker]

How did he represent us?
By having a different nature?
Or by having the same nature?
The Word is clear on the answer but the answer will remove a fundemantal Christian doctrine.
F2F

Reading Romans 5 will let you in on the secret