A Question for Jehovah's Witnesses

[amigo de christo]

Language Usage. You do know that "Him/His" are singular pronouns, right? They do not refer to 3 is one.

NO they dont . but dont forget Where GOD said let US make man IN OUR OWN IMAGE . that be plural .
EVEN THOUGH IT AINT PLURAL if ya know what i mean .
GOD IS HIS WORD WRANGLER . YOU cannot seperate GOD FROM HIS WORD FROM HIS SPIRIT .
JESUS IS HIS WORD .
I see folks lacking much understanding . Paul knew . HE knew .
NOtice he says in some places the SPIRIT OF GOD , and in other places the SPIRIT of CHRIST .
Paul knew the essence of GOD . GOD IS HIS WORD HE IS HIS SPIRIT . JESUS IS HIS WORD HE IS HIS SPIRIT .
I WONT leave you comfortless , I WILL , I WILL COME TO YOU , THIS HE SAID WHEN SPEAKING OF THE SPIRIT which those
who believed on HIM would recieve . GOD IS HIS WORD < HE IS HIS SPIRIT . TIME to learn TRUTH .

 

[Wrangler]

NO they dont . but dont forget Where GOD said let US make man IN OUR OWN IMAGE . that be plural .

Again, plural does not convey 3 is one.

This is dicta. One must assume who God is talking to in order to read something into it. Language usage: God is NOT talking to himself.

What is far more compelling is the single pronoun in the 1st commandment. It's so important, God put it first.

 

[amigo de christo]

Again, plural does not convey 3 is one.

This is dicta. One must assume who God is talking to in order to read something into it. Language usage: God is NOT talking to himself.

What is far more compelling is the single pronoun in the 1st commandment. It's so important, God put it first.

and denying the fact that GOD IS HIS WORD , HE IS HIS WORD , HE IS HIS WORD
is blasphemous . Keep that in mind too .

 

[Wrangler]

and denying the fact that GOD IS HIS WORD , HE IS HIS WORD , HE IS HIS WORD
is blasphemous . Keep that in mind too .

Sure. I just deny this means a 2nd, let alone a 3rd Being. Words are a thing, not a person. Words are an attribute of a person or Being.

 

[marks]

Homework for Marks:

For f2f . . . examine your presuppostions which affect how you limit the meanings of passages into things which they do not say.

Or simply deal with the fact that Matthew gives us an account that refutes your view.

You've yet to show me something that leads me to believe Matthew wasn't writing in the simple narrative as it appears. You've said his words are accurate, yet you don't seem to believe what he said. His words speak of the devil, called Satan, as a particular being, in the same way he wrote of the others who were there, namely Jesus and angels. You believe Jesus was there. You believe angels were there. But you don't believe Satan was there.

Was Matthew truly being so misleading as you would have us to think? Or was he telling us things that are true?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Meditate on this one . . . there is much truth to be understood in this short passage.

1 Corinthians 15:45-47 KJV
45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Much love!

 

[marks]

What would it look like to be "devoured by the devil"? I propose that we don't have a clear picture presented.

We have some other pictures presented, shipwrecked faith, teaching that eats like gangrene, so what does it mean to be devoured by the devil?

2 Timothy 2:24-26 KJV
24) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26) And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Does it mean to be captured by the Devil's lies? To their own hurt?

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Sure. I just deny this means a 2nd, let alone a 3rd Being. Words are a thing, not a person. Words are an attribute of a person or Being.

That is exactly HOW GOD created the world . HE SPOKE and things were . JESUS IS THE VERY ESSENCE OF GOD .
ER time GOD SPEAKS HIS WORD that HE sayeth doeth .
Ever wonder why Thomas said ME LORD and ME GOD . YEAH . take note my friend . For HE who denies
the diety of Christ is in no place a man would ever desire or want to be ON THE DAY OF THE LORD .
MY GLORY shall no man take from me . WHO . WHO IS THE GLORY OF GOD . HIS WORD , JESUS CHRIST .

 

[Taken]

Language Usage. You do know that "Him/His" are singular pronouns, right? They do not refer to 3 is one.

And? No argument from me;
God, He IS the One Lord God Almighty!

Did you FORGET or NOT KNOW WHY some Jews wanted Jesus KILLED?

John 10:
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Did you NOT KNOW….

John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The Jews recognized Jesus was REVEALING Himself IS God…. How come you dont Believe Jesus?

 

[amigo de christo]

Meditate on this one . . . there is much truth to be understood in this short passage.

1 Corinthians 15:45-47 KJV
45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Much love!

Meditate on this . NEVER HEED the vatican , popes or sadly even most all of the protestant realm .
Heed not the mormon , heed not the adventist , heed not the jw
heed not the southern baptist , heed not the emergent , heed not the prosperity gospel
heed not nar , heed not , MAN this is gonna be a list so long carpal tunnel syndrom gonna set in LONG
and do i mean LONG before i could ever type it out . WE IN A MASSIVE FALLING AWAY MARK .
and now nigh the end the hour has come WHERE ITS NOW all about THIS UNITY and this LOVE
which cometh , came not , was not and is not coming FROM GOD but from the dragon .
THE TIME TO UNIFY THE WORLD as one HAS COME . THE PREACHERS OF NIMROD NOW BUILD
in the TOWER of darkness , a tower of many diverse stones , a tower they believe reaches unto heaven
but shall crash down to HELL on the day of the LORD . WE BESS GET IN BIBLES . WE SIMPLY BETTER GET IN BIBLES and fast .

 

[Jack]

That’s the Living word of God comforting you Jack, as he speaks to your heart!...Praise God!

Isn't it amazing how Satan has deceived supposed Bible believers into denying Satan's existence? Satan / Devil is mentioned nearly 100 times in the Bible and yet they still deny.

 

[face2face]

For f2f . . . examine your presuppostions which affect how you limit the meanings of passages into things which they do not say.

I take this you wont be dealing with the text then.

Or simply deal with the fact that Matthew gives us an account that refutes your view.

When will you deal with the text Marks?

You've yet to show me something that leads me to believe Matthew wasn't writing in the simple narrative as it appears. You've said his words are accurate, yet you don't seem to believe what he said. His words speak of the devil, called Satan, as a particular being, in the same way he wrote of the others who were there, namely Jesus and angels.

For people like yourself you read the text at face value its apparent you have not challenge your own views on this subject. Let me provide you with an example.

You must believe it when its said the Spirit of God drove Jesus into the Wilderness to be tempted.

If the devil were a fallen angel, why would the Holy Spirit lead the Son of God into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil?

Now any answer you give must of necessity be a fabrication - it would start with "maybe...." or "Possibly..." the truth is Marks, you don't know and whatever you think it makes no sense whatsoever for Jesus to go into the wilderness to starve of food only to be enticed by a fallen rebel angel.

What makes more sense if you read the record with understanding is Jesus was given the Spirit without measure and that Spirit drove him into the wilderness to be tested of his nature! Now whether it was an external tempter or not...matters not - the temptations must of themselves be within him things his nature and mind sees as possible!

Now if you can return with comments of this nature - providing me with context and meaning then great lets talk...but not what you put down in this response please.

You believe Jesus was there. You believe angels were there. But you don't believe Satan was there.

satan just means adversary Marks - you get that right? It's not a name! I can be a satan to you if I were to stand in your way. You need to learn how the word is used in the Scripture.

Here look up these and you will start to understand

"satan" or "adversary" is used of God 2 Sam. 24:1 cf. 1 Chron. 21:1 - An obedient divine angel in Numbers 22:22 Hadad the Edomite in 1 Kings 11:14 and Peter in Matt 16:23

So how is it being used in Matthew 4? And for that matter the word "false accuser" which is another study in itself.

Was Matthew truly being so misleading as you would have us to think? Or was he telling us things that are true?

Much love!

There is nothing misleading about this at all - you are struggle to comprehend the nature of the word and how its used in the text.

Are the women in 1 Timothy 3:11 not to be Devils?
Are the men in 2 Timothy 3:3 not to be Devils?
Judas wasn't a devil (rebel angel) in John 6:70 he was simply being a false accuser.

I have given you more than enough references, many more than you have given me to examine this subject and return with some sense of understanding.

Don't forget to pray be searching.

God bless
F2F

 

[face2face]

Isn't it amazing how Satan has deceived supposed Bible believers into denying Satan's existence? Satan / Devil is mentioned nearly 100 times in the Bible and yet they still deny.

Deuteronomy 29:29

 

[face2face]

What would it look like to be "devoured by the devil"? I propose that we don't have a clear picture presented.

We have some other pictures presented, shipwrecked faith, teaching that eats like gangrene, so what does it mean to be devoured by the devil?

2 Timothy 2:24-26 KJV
24) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26) And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Does it mean to be captured by the Devil's lies? To their own hurt?

Much love!

Marks, Marks, Marks...read on and tell precisely what Paul goes on to explain to Timothy in Chapter 3. What is the false accuser being revealed?

While you are reading the first section of 2 TIm 3 can you explain the word used in Verse 3; I've highlighted it for you in red.

3:3 unloving, irreconcilable, slanderers, without self-control, savage, opposed to what is good 2 Ti 3:3.

What word is this?

Be honest now!

 

[face2face]

@marks

devil’s (false accusers) trap where they are held captive to do his will 2 Ti 2:26.

Something is being personified - Paul does this a lot in his writings - if you want proof ask!

Where have you heard that expression "held captive" before in Paul's writings?

Look forward to your response.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Meditate on this one . . . there is much truth to be understood in this short passage.

1 Corinthians 15:45-47 KJV
45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Much love!

Does it concern forum members that Paul refers to Jesus as the "last Adam?" - Paul's understand of Christ's origins in that he was "born of a woman" or came to be of a woman reveals to me he understood Jesus as a "Spiritual Creation" (having a beginning and end...but now lives for evermore!).

F2F

 

[Taken]

Language Usage. You do know that "Him/His" are singular pronouns, right? They do not refer to 3 is one.

“He, Him, His” ARE possessive Pronouns which certainly DO refer to ONE’S “SELF”, be that “SELF”….ONE God or ONE man.

 

[Jack]

Deuteronomy 29:29

Don't know how to quote Scripture for all to witness? JW's have the same problem.

 

[Taken]

This is a summary of the testimony of Geoffrey Jackson, a member of Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, before Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Abuse on 14th August 2015.

While under oath, Governing Body member, Geoffrey Jackson was asked by Australia’s Angus Stewart: “Do you see yourselves as Jehovah God’s spokespeople on earth?” Jackson answered as follows:


Now, I ask any Jehovah's Witness here was Jackson speaking the truth? Is this "New Light"? or was this "theocratic warfare"? He also said they were "trying to fulfill that role" of the slave class, and yet when you read what they've stated in the past and currently today both in print and in video, they aren't "trying", they are "doing", they make no qualms about it. They are the slave class appointed by Jesus and complete obedience is required for salvation. Seems Jackson was speaking with a forked tongue.

Below is the complete video, the part in question is at the very beginning, around the 2-minute mark.

Addressing the OP and comments….
Matt 24 does not mention A group, of appointed slaves to do anything.

 

[face2face]

Don't know how to quote Scripture for all to witness?

As I've said, I perceive you to be a lazy servant, one who reads the shallow surface of the Word...it is good for you to look up the verse and find the honor of searching out a matter.

It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search things out. Pro 25:2

The true Saints of God are Kings and Priests in training...you are yet to start Jack!

It's wrong of me to play with you like I do, I do to make an example of you Jack...so that others can see your folly and go beyond the example you show day by day in this forum. The truth is, God has concealed things and has called upon His servants to exercise their minds in searching for the treasures of divine wisdom. The wise man wrote 'line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little.' Faithful men and women will endeavor to put the "littles" together and in the process find the mental exercise which brings their minds nearer to God

By your fruits I know you are very distant from God because you fail to do what He Pleases and until such time, years and years can go past and you will still be posting you pathetic shallow one liners having nothing at all to offer this forum. May sound harsh Jack, but I dont tell you who will? It's clear you dont have friends who have told you otherwise you would be heading God's instruction to search the Scriptures daily to see if these things are true? I can see you don't...best you can do is search a word like "satan" and think you know what it means! Sad part is you dont and you don't even know the meaning of Deut 29:29 or Prov 25:2 or Isaiah 28:10. Sad part is you don't want to know - you will take offense and return to your part of the world to come out another day with more one liners.

Stop quoting Scripture and start expounding it!

Jack, if you lack wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. 6 But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.

F2F