Hamas has attacked Israel with 5000 rockets, 100 dead Israelis. Israel and Hamas now at war

[Johann]

I don’t know if the charter has been changed that you referenced. It would seem not. But I also don’t know what enlightenment you are trying to offer.

Are you pro Palestine and are you inferring modern day Israeli's are not Jews @Truthnightmare.

 

[Johann]

I don’t know if the charter has been changed that you referenced. It would seem not. But I also don’t know what enlightenment you are trying to offer.

Reality.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Are you pro Palestine and are you inferring modern day Israeli's are not Jews @Truthnightmare.

I am pro Christ.
No the modern day Israeli is not a Jew, but one would have to actually understand etymology of the word to understand my position.

American Wisdom Series Note: Jesus was a 'Judean', not a Jew.

During His lifetime here on earth in His flesh and blood body, no Israelites. even those from the tribe of Judah (which Jesus was), were described as "Jews". That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the "homeland" of the ancestors of those who today style themselves "Jews". Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their "homeland", and were known as Khazars. In neither of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a "Jew", just as the term "Texan" signifies a person living in Texas.

In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called "Jews", they have been unable to prove in all the recorded history that there is a record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as "Jew". The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled "Jews" today refer to as "Jews", were known as "Pharisees". "Judaism" today and "Pharisaism" in the time of Jesus are the same.

Jesus abhorred and denounced "Pharisaism"; hence the words, "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers".

So take heed and understand the warning Christ has for the bad figs who are the kenites, the sons of Cain, and even to those teachers who are filled with their "leaven of hypocrisy" (Luke 12:1).

Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

 

[Johann]

In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called "Jews", they have been unable to prove in all the recorded history that there is a record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as "Jew". The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled "Jews" today refer to as "Jews", were known as "Pharisees". "Judaism" today and "Pharisaism" in the time of Jesus are the same.

I would concur that the carefully genealogies as to who is a Jew by the Sanhedrin was destroyed by the invasion of the Romans under Titus. Perushim-

Mat 23:25 Oy to you, Sofrim and Perushim, tzevuim, you cleanse the outside of the kos (cup) and the dish, but inside they are full of chamdanut (greed) and taavanut (lust).
Mat 23:26 Blind Parush, first cleanse the inside of the kos, that perhaps also the outside may become clean.
Mat 23:27 Oy to you, Sofrim and Perushim, tzevuim, for you are like kevarim (graves) having been whitewashed, which on the outside indeed appear ois vaist (ostensibly) shein (beautiful), but on the inside are full of the unclean bones of the mesim (dead ones) and every trayfnyak.
Mat 23:28 Thus on the outside you indeed appear tzodek (righteous) to Bnei Adam, but on the inside you are full of tzeviut (hypocrisy) and you are lawlessly against the Torah.

Would you say modern day Jerusalem is not the holy place?

 

[Wrangler]

You say you are objective and logical, and I have observed that in your theological discussions. Why cannot you perform in the same way on this subject?

Friend, I am objective and logical and I will again prove it on this subject.

Having said that, the facts are in. Judgement is at hand. I do not need to be convinced anew. Did you check out jihadwatch.org? They tabulate over 44K Jihadi attacks since 9/11.

I wonder how many attacks Jihadi's must initiate for you to look at this subject objectively and logically determine they are the aggressors and have been for centuries, the scourge of mankind.

First, the abduction of her sons most probably occurred. Let me get that straight, although I cannot verify it of course. I taker her word for it.

Putting aside your obvious reluctance to give any credibility to anything Zionist ...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It is NOT the answer of the interviewee but the question by the Drive By Media that is incredible.

IF the mother who claimed her sons were abducted is false, it is not for you or me to verify but the burden of the Drive By Media.

And once again, I ask you to answer the question I asked about White Supremacy in post #148.

Imagine your statement being made by the Left about White Supremacy? They have no problem dubbing the entire people as the same, all Whites as racists, etc. If not, I'd love to see a vid of a Leftist denoucing the condemnation of all White people as Supremacists.

It is not like you to avoid answering questions. This tells me it is you who are emotionally driven about this subject.

 

[APAK]

For those interested in the history of the 2 State solution, watch this short vid.

The answer to the title question is simple. Ashkenazi Jews and along with their Zionist leaders began the invasion of their country over 120 years ago, and never let up until they destroyed their land and their people. That is is why there will be no more Arab lands very soon there. It is being done by design and not chance.

This is a pure propaganda lying piece of video, right out of the works of Scofield and others especially Zionists and self-styles Jews who subscribed and conspired to calve up Palestine for themselves, with God on their side of course.

The English and the US did not help matters either. In fact they made everything even worse and the Zionists in the US and England and parts of Europe with their briberies and extortion schemes made it all work out in the end. The pressure and banking money that Lord Rothschild brought to bear and place on the British government, was so irresistible, and guaranteed that their campaign of conquest to the South would be be a success over their next 31 years.

Let me tell you a quick of-the-cuff 'fairy' tale that illustrates why this type of mentally displayed in this video is deceptive and down-right evil.

A long long time ago there were exiled people that where chosen by an area landowner, who owned much land, and for them to settle in, and own one part of his land. They were called the 'chosen ones.'

Over the centuries, the landowner became more and more displeased with these people he had chosen and he called them now to fend for themselves as the land was now up for grabs and given to anyone that was victorious in battle. The landowner basically disowned these once chosen people.

Eventually, over many more centuries, these once chosen people were displaced and conquered by a mighty military power. In fact the landowner influenced it to happen. The land was renamed as the sign that they are not welcome there anymore and have no legitimate rights to it anymore. They would be drifters and be assimilated into other lands and became 'different' people, and lose their previous identities over time. There was now no more of these chosen people in existence.

Now later, about 600-700 years later some of the descendants of these chosen ones advertised and sold their descendants lifestyles and beliefs in other lands. They were extremely successful with one particular foreign and powerful people who practices Baal worship at the time.

This powerful heathen nation converted to the practices of the old chosen people en masse. These once Phallic worshippers then had to move out of their lands for good, because of the mighty forces from the North who eventually conquered them around 1000-1100 AD.

They scattered initially into other adjoining lands as the 'new' although fake chosen ones. They wore their new chosen ones identities wherever they roamed and always separated themselves from others in their lands as the 'chosen ones.' They began to sell the idea they were actually the chosen one, and many believed them as they heard of the stories of the original landowner and these real chosen ones.

Fast forward....Around the 1600s these fake chosen ones mounted much wealth through usury in money exchanges. They profited of the backs of ordinary people and governments. Their influence grew far and wide and they even convinced a King to write the English Bible in a particular way for their own benefit, their own bias and false fame.

So, at the beginning of the 20th century these fake chosen ones began their plan to conquer the land of the real chosen ones and to impersonate themselves in every way....in the old language, the old remnants of the old culture that they actually stole from other other lands anyway and called it their own.

So by stealth and terror over the decades these false chosen ones accumulated most of the lands that do not belong to them. They used it now as their legal right and owner of these lands.
They have no right to exist in these lands and they know it. They, as any person has the right to exist, and go back to their own ancestral lands if they want...that won't happen....can you see the grave issue they have caused these Arabs and have drawn many countries into taking sides.....disgusting, indeed.

 

[Truthnightmare]

I would concur that the carefully genealogies as to who is a Jew by the Sanhedrin was destroyed by the invasion of the Romans under Titus. Perushim-

Mat 23:25 Oy to you, Sofrim and Perushim, tzevuim, you cleanse the outside of the kos (cup) and the dish, but inside they are full of chamdanut (greed) and taavanut (lust).
Mat 23:26 Blind Parush, first cleanse the inside of the kos, that perhaps also the outside may become clean.
Mat 23:27 Oy to you, Sofrim and Perushim, tzevuim, for you are like kevarim (graves) having been whitewashed, which on the outside indeed appear ois vaist (ostensibly) shein (beautiful), but on the inside are full of the unclean bones of the mesim (dead ones) and every trayfnyak.
Mat 23:28 Thus on the outside you indeed appear tzodek (righteous) to Bnei Adam, but on the inside you are full of tzeviut (hypocrisy) and you are lawlessly against the Torah.

Would you say modern day Jerusalem is not the holy place?

I believe that modern day Jerusalem is the holy place. And a few boundaries may differ as our differences in measurements, but yes it’s the same.
But what is scary is It is also Babylon.

Rev 17:9
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. (KJV)​

Below we see that this woman sits upon the peoples, all the peoples (the sea — the waters = the peoples):

Rev 17:15
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. (KJV)​

Mystery Babylon is that woman:

Rev 14:8
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication [religious adultery]. (KJV)​

Scripture then tells us that the woman is the great city (Jerusalem):

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (KJV)​

We see Jerusalem referred to as that great city even in the Old Testament:

Jer 22:8
8 And many nations shall pass by this city, and they shall say every man to his neighbour, Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this great city? (KJV)​

Finally, Scriptures nails down, without any room for doubt, the exact location and thus the identity of the great city:

Rev 11:8
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (KJV)​

And after the end of this age, after the great Judgment Day, after the old things are done away with, after all evil and evil doers are cast into the Lake of Fire (commonly referred to as 'going to hell'), the new Heaven and new earth (commonly referred to as Heaven) is identified as the great city Jerusalem (rejuvenated and with God present):

Rev 21:10
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, (KJV)​

 

[Johann]

I believe that modern day Jerusalem is the holy place. And a few boundaries may differ as our differences in measurements, but yes it’s the same.
But what is scary is It is also Babylon.

Below we see that this woman sits upon the peoples, all the peoples (the sea — the waters = the peoples):


Mystery Babylon is that woman:


Scripture then tells us that the woman is the great city (Jerusalem):


We see Jerusalem referred to as that great city even in the Old Testament:


Finally, Scriptures nails down, without any room for doubt, the exact location and thus the identity of the great city:


And after the end of this age, after the great Judgment Day, after the old things are done away with, after all evil and evil doers are cast into the Lake of Fire (commonly referred to as 'going to hell'), the new Heaven and new earth (commonly referred to as Heaven) is identified as the great city Jerusalem (rejuvenated and with God present):

Just one question-I noticed most of your sources is from American Wisdom Series-correct? @Truthnightmare

 

[Scott Downey]

Israel has announced delay of several days for the ground invasion of Gaza due to bad weather.
Which also means more disruption of the locals, and bomb raids before they go in. More civilians may also move further south which might be a good thing.

I am also wondering if Hezbollah will attack Israel from the north on the day Israel goes into Gaza to force Israel into a 2 front war.
US has sent a second carrier task force to the coast, anticipating a major battle ahead?

 

[Scott Downey]

Israel to use what they call Iron Beam, a laser system that burns anything it hits. Much cheaper than using missiles to hit missiles.
I am sure the US also has similar tech. The US also has built through Raytheon Iron Dome interceptors and has full knowledge of the system.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713346124331778361

 

[Johann]

I believe that modern day Jerusalem is the holy place. And a few boundaries may differ as our differences in measurements, but yes it’s the same.
But what is scary is It is also Babylon.

Below we see that this woman sits upon the peoples, all the peoples (the sea — the waters = the peoples):


Mystery Babylon is that woman:


Scripture then tells us that the woman is the great city (Jerusalem):


We see Jerusalem referred to as that great city even in the Old Testament:


Finally, Scriptures nails down, without any room for doubt, the exact location and thus the identity of the great city:


And after the end of this age, after the great Judgment Day, after the old things are done away with, after all evil and evil doers are cast into the Lake of Fire (commonly referred to as 'going to hell'), the new Heaven and new earth (commonly referred to as Heaven) is identified as the great city Jerusalem (rejuvenated and with God present):

A new Heaven and a new Jerusalem-which means the present Jerusalem might not be a holy place-but I'm curious how you connect the dots that Jerusalem is the Mother of Harlots-is it the only place sitting on 7 hills?
J.

 

[Johann]

Just one question-I noticed most of your sources is from American Wisdom Series-correct? @Truthnightmare

 

[mailmandan]

68% to 89% of Palestinians Support Terror Attacks on Israel in PCPO Poll - Democrats Want to Bring One Million to the US | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Nearly 300 kids died in the massacre.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Democrats once again showing their true colors.

 

[Truthnightmare]

A new Heaven and a new Jerusalem-which means the present Jerusalem might not be a holy place-but I'm curious how you connect the dots that Jerusalem is the Mother of Harlots-is it the only place sitting on 7 hills?
J.

The (woman) harlot is false religion, she sits upon the world. Jerusalem is

The dots were connected for us.
Revelation 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

That fact that we see a new Jerusalem does not. change the fact that Jerusalem is Gods favorite place in the here and now.

No, they are not, my list of sources would be to long to mention. But I often utilize the manuscripts of the textus receptus. Scholars such as E.W. Bullinger, Dr Strongs, Ginsburg, Jerome, etc.
My usage of material depends on the subject matter.

 

[Wrangler]

The answer to the title question is simple. Ashkenazi Jews and along with their Zionist leaders began the invasion of their country over 120 years ago

Wrong. There was no Palestinian State 120 years ago for the ‘Zionist’ leaders to invade.

The Palestinians were on the losing side of World War One. Losing territory - and even existence - is a common consequence to losing a war. See Confederate States of America. See indigenous tribes of North America. See the British Empire, German Empire, Roman Empire, Persian Empire, Mongol Empire, India, Empire of Japan. Why is your view that the Ottoman Empire ought to be different viz a vie the Palestinians?

 

[Johann]

The (woman) harlot is false religion, she sits upon the world. Jerusalem is

The dots were connected for us.
Revelation 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

That fact that we see a new Jerusalem does not. change the fact that Jerusalem is Gods favorite place in the here and now.

No, they are not, my list of sources would be to long to mention. But I often utilize the manuscripts of the textus receptus. Scholars such as E.W. Bullinger, Dr Strongs, Ginsburg, Jerome, etc.
My usage of material depends on the subject matter.

What does your sources say on Rom 11?

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

 

[Johann]

68% to 89% of Palestinians Support Terror Attacks on Israel in PCPO Poll - Democrats Want to Bring One Million to the US | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Nearly 300 kids died in the massacre.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Democrats once again showing their true colors.

Appalling.

 

[APAK]

Can someone come to my rescue here? HA. Is there a debate here regarding the Jews of today ( those living in Israel right now )
NOT being the CHOSEN ones?? Is this what is being discussed? Just trying to keep up with the latest part of this conversation and
I am not understanding. Gosh my mind is simple. HA. I am of the belief that the Jew's are God's chosen people... and a Christian Jew is called a Messianic Jew ... and that the rest of us Christians who are NOT jews are called Gentiles?

I know it's not anyone's job to educate me... I am just asking for the sake of keeping up with conversation. I am not understanding what the issue is with the Israel of today.

Well can I just address the 'safer' part of your queries...the so-called 'gentile.' I hope this is a safer topic?

I do not consider myself a gentile at all, as also any true believer in Christ since the Day of Pentecost. It came to or became an ignorant con confusing term to separate people, spiritually, politically and even physically. And the Hebrew, Aramaic and the Greek languages never had a word or expression that would translate into English this Latin derived 'gentile' word for a type of person, of a certain faith.

If you do not know where I'm going with it, and still interested in knowing, then ask me, as this can be an explosive subject to some, many..

 

[Truthnightmare]

What does your sources say on Rom 11?

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

It’s not about my sources, my inflect rivals my sources.
Who were Gods chosen people? That’s the question. If you don’t have that knowledge, how can one proceed with understanding the words that follow?

 

[Johann]

It’s not about my sources, my inflect rivals my sources.
Who were Gods chosen people? That’s the question. If you don’t have that knowledge, how can one proceed with understanding the words that follow?

Your inflect does not answer my question, since consistency is key.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

All Israel (pās Israēl). What does Paul mean? The immediate context (use of pās in contrast with apo merous, plērōma here in contrast with plērōma in Rom_11:12) argues for the Jewish people “as a whole.”

But the spiritual Israel (both Jews and Gentiles) may be his idea in accord with Rom_9:6 (Gal_6:16) as the climax of the argument. At any rate we should strive for and pray for the conversion of Jews as a whole. Paul here quotes from Isa_59:20.; Isa_27:9.

Rom 11:26 And so Klal Yisroel shall be delivered, as it is written: "Out of Tziyon shall come the Go'el (Deliverer, Redeemer); He will turn away, remove peysha from Ya'akov (Jacob),
Rom 11:27 "And this will be My Berit (covenant) with them, when I take away their sins" YESHAYAH 59:20-21; 27:9.

Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Who are the chosen whom God foreknew?